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Jul 13, 2018 05:50 |  #7666

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Of course the other option is to reduce the price of the medium format camera (GFX50R), I don't see Fuji developing a full frame camera any time soon but they are said to be bringing out a cheaper medium format camera body.

It would be nice to see that however one of the the first things that springs to my mind is their current medium format lens pricing would still keep the price out of reach of many people . They would probably have to come out with a budget lens offering similar to their cropped sensor lens lineup however unlike the cropped sensor cameras any lower lens IQ attached to a cheaper offering may be more noticeable in the medium format than it is in cropped. Be interesting never the less if they could do something here as they certainly have a pedigree in the area of imaging optics that not many people can match.


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Jul 13, 2018 06:19 |  #7667

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I really like the design of the Hasselblad X1D, it's a really beautiful camera but the cost is a bit out there at almost double the Fuji (once you add in a lens). I'm hoping Fuji get a bit of that design minimalism with a smaller/thinner MF rangefinder

From a pure design aspect the X1D is indeed pretty appealing. But from a user experience design perspective I found the camera to be pretty unattractive. The touch screen feels laggy and the swipe features were hardly intuitive. I felt like the camera just relies too much on the touch screen that doesn't work properly. Too few buttons and what feels like an unfinished user interface left me feeling a little too unimpressed, considering the brand and the price.

GFX, on the other hand, felt pretty much perfect. I felt like it was designed with the user in mind rather than aesthetics or technology first. The joystics, dials and buttons are right their for the user to operate. And they do provide a quicker access to operate the camera than a touch screen can.

GFX's "bulkiness" (though only relative to X1D really) didn't bother me at all. If anything it provides a bit more of a balanced feel with the unavoidably big lenses.

I wouldn't mind, of course, if Fuji was able to go for an even more compact design. Just as long as they're not sacrificing usability of the camera. But I think there's a limit to that. And that limit is set by the lenses, which in the MF category will always remain large. So I'm actually not sure how much of added benefit would a smaller body deliver at the end of the day. I personally I didn't feel super comfortable handling the rather front heavy X1D (with the 45mm attached) knowing the amount of € I was holding.


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Jul 13, 2018 08:16 |  #7668

GFX is nice in design etc, just that battery bulge is bad. Without that, it would be perfect for me. I don't miss exposure comp as I never ever used one on my XT1 as I am shooting 100% manual exposure. I also think the new 50R will be minimum $5k if not more. The GF lenses are very nice but priced too high for the aperture they offer IMHO.


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Jul 13, 2018 09:32 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #7669

just look at the Mamiya leaf shutter lenses. 55mm f/2.8 and almost $4700, 80mm f/2.8 $3k


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Jul 13, 2018 12:12 |  #7670

The GFX is small for a medium format camera, not that much bigger than an X-PRO2 (from the front anyway but about twice the depth). The buttons are all in the right place too, especially if you already shoot a Fuji like the X-T but the Hassy is just so pretty, why can't we have both? The balance thing, I have big zooms like the XF100-400 on my X-PRO2 and it doesn't bother me but perhaps I'm use to holding the camera with my left hand for the most part so it wasn't something I noticed. Mind you it's a lot better then having to carry a 2.7Kg+ lens camera system about. I didn't get very much time to play about with the X1D but it did feel small in my hand, like the Fuji APS-C do, only with a bigger grip like the X-H1 I guess.

MF is all about image quality IMO, having budget lenses is something I doubt Fuji will consider. They have the 63/2.8 and the 45mm at prices about the same as an L lens and that's pretty budget for a MF camera. Hassy not so much but they are leaf lenses so naturally do cost a bit more, one of the reasons Fuji didn't make that decision. Go price a few Schneider Kreuznach lenses, always make me feel better about buying camera gear for my Fujis.

I'm just hoping for a little bit less body in the GFX50R the layout is fine otherwise. But If they want to stick in a 53x40mm sensor in there I don't care how big it gets :-P


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Jul 13, 2018 22:08 |  #7671

PLLphotography wrote in post #18661826 (external link)
just look at the Mamiya leaf shutter lenses. 55mm f/2.8 and almost $4700, 80mm f/2.8 $3k

Mamiya is not 44x33 either, as far as I know. Honestly I wouldn't mind paying but 45mm is f2.8, so for shallow DoF junkies (I can stop down if needed), make it f2 at least. The 110mm f2 is $2800 but atleast it is f2 and really nice and sharp.


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Jul 14, 2018 01:27 |  #7672

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Mamiya is not 44x33 either, as far as I know. Honestly I wouldn't mind paying but 45mm is f2.8, so for shallow DoF junkies (I can stop down if needed), make it f2 at least. The 110mm f2 is $2800 but atleast it is f2 and really nice and sharp.

It pays to look at images, since the larger GFX sensor is about two stops of difference relative to the Fuji X sensor when it comes to depth of field. So an f2.8 lens on the GFX will deliver results similar to an f1.4 lens on a Fuji X camera.

It is also easy enough to adapt lenses from other cameras if you really want speed. This is more likely to help you on the Normal to long end of the world.

For example, I tried a Zeiss 85/1.4 and a Nikon 105/2.5 on the GFX and both seem to work fine wide open. Note: this was a quick test in the camera store, neither a scientific test (no brick walls, either) nor an extensive test. But others have tested, for example, the Zeiss 135/2 extensively with exceptional results (admittedly not a cheap lens). But the 105/2.5 can be had for a song and I was excited with the results and the handling of the lens on the GFX--quite a handy combination.

There are also some options now which allow the use of Canon lenses on the GFX and they even support AF, electronic control and EXIF data, so depending on what you have, you could probably adapt something.

The GFX lenses are also phenomenally good lenses and are a bargain for what they are.


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Jul 14, 2018 01:41 |  #7673

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Oh, there's no doubt.

I've toyed around with the idea of selling my X100T and getting the X100F or even an X-E3 in it's place... but then I use it and look at the files from it and I realize it's just not really worth the $500 or so that it'll cost me in the long run... or is it...? :lol:  :p

I have always enjoyed your posts and consider you as close to a friend as one can get in a forum relationship, so I feel compelled to be brutally honest.

It is not worth $500. If you have read my advice to others, you may have noticed that my philosophy is that if a piece of gear doesn't allow you to (1) make a type of image you can't make with what you have which is important for you to make--or at least make it substantially easier to make said image or (2) will pay for itself quickly because it helps you get or keep clients or (3) costs little enough for your budget that you can justify the simple pleasure you will get from buying it.

But, if you were to buy it, I don't think you would regret having spent the $500 once you had paid the bill.

So, either way, you are a winner!

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Jul 14, 2018 08:25 |  #7674

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It pays to look at images, since the larger GFX sensor is about two stops of difference relative to the Fuji X sensor when it comes to depth of field. So an f2.8 lens on the GFX will deliver results similar to an f1.4 lens on a Fuji X camera.

Yes compared to XF, but I was comparing to FF as most other folks do.

There are also some options now which allow the use of Canon lenses on the GFX and they even support AF, electronic control and EXIF data, so depending on what you have, you could probably adapt something.

I need to get one of the adapters. There is no clear side by side review anywhere. And none of the reviewers will tell about real problems. All reviews are becoming more and more marketing in this age.

The GFX lenses are also phenomenally good lenses and are a bargain for what they are.

Agree on awesome lenses though I didn't like 120mm f4 IS that much but I only spent very short week with it. Money wise I don't agree. See I have no problem to pay if the lenses were faster to their FF equivalents. I know it is harder to design, but supposedly Fuji is the one of the best from all I hear. Folks say 23mm is for landscapes, then why you need even f4. Make it f2.8 and I will happily pay $2500 for it. Same with 45mm f2.8, 35mm equivalent to f2.2 or something. I am looking forward to rumored 85mm f1.4. I know it will be expensive. Fuji should also offer TS as well as some portrait lenses with leaf shutters.

On cost thing, Fuji's new 200mm f2 will be $5k or higher which is too much IMHO and I am one of the persons who was actively looking for canon 200mm f2. Only reasons I didn't buy it, I was worried a newer version of it will come, and I wanted GFX at the same time so had to pick one. Fuji's 200mm f2 len will be good but 5k or higher for crop lens is ridiculous. I know there is no other choice but just look at Sigma 105mm f1.4 for $1600. And no 200mm f2 won't be as good as using Canon 300mm f2.8 IS or the 400mm f2.8 IS unless Fuji's does what Sony did with their new 400mm f2.8. As much as I like Fuji, their tech alone is not as good as Sony (mainly to keep costs down in my opinion). Just compare AF, eye detect between Fuji and Sony. For lot of folks these two items don't matter but for overall systems, these are pretty important along with service support, durability, rentals etc.


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Jul 14, 2018 10:56 |  #7675

A friend has been asking if I can go shoot him like the other coffee shop ones I've been doing, we did that last year but he wanted another go. I said we should do something a little different this time & we did three poses, I liked this one best.

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Jul 14, 2018 11:46 |  #7676

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Yes compared to XF, but I was comparing to FF as most other folks do.

I need to get one of the adapters. There is no clear side by side review anywhere. And none of the reviewers will tell about real problems. All reviews are becoming more and more marketing in this age.



Agree on awesome lenses though I didn't like 120mm f4 IS that much but I only spent very short week with it. Money wise I don't agree. See I have no problem to pay if the lenses were faster to their FF equivalents. I know it is harder to design, but supposedly Fuji is the one of the best from all I hear. Folks say 23mm is for landscapes, then why you need even f4. Make it f2.8 and I will happily pay $2500 for it. Same with 45mm f2.8, 35mm equivalent to f2.2 or something. I am looking forward to rumored 85mm f1.4. I know it will be expensive. Fuji should also offer TS as well as some portrait lenses with leaf shutters.

On cost thing, Fuji's new 200mm f2 will be $5k or higher which is too much IMHO and I am one of the persons who was actively looking for canon 200mm f2. Only reasons I didn't buy it, I was worried a newer version of it will come, and I wanted GFX at the same time so had to pick one. Fuji's 200mm f2 len will be good but 5k or higher for crop lens is ridiculous. I know there is no other choice but just look at Sigma 105mm f1.4 for $1600. And no 200mm f2 won't be as good as using Canon 300mm f2.8 IS or the 400mm f2.8 IS unless Fuji's does what Sony did with their new 400mm f2.8. As much as I like Fuji, their tech alone is not as good as Sony (mainly to keep costs down in my opinion). Just compare AF, eye detect between Fuji and Sony. For lot of folks these two items don't matter but for overall systems, these are pretty important along with service support, durability, rentals etc.

You've chosen a very niche MF Fuji system.

What you should try is to test a Sony system once again but simply pay attention to the Sony files. See if that jives with your requirements in how it renders. We all know the Fuji system is drastically different in how it renders to other manufacturers.

For example I was reminded how the Royal Mounted Police only use Nikon camera gear or documenting crime scenes. Nikon has been known for colour accuracy. Even when there is documentation of ART pieces commonly they will use Nikon. Canon just has a different colour science and Sony is another different world. See how a system renders for your models.

Your tool kit already has a niche GFX, Canon and small form factor Fuji.

Could you eliminate your Canon gear? I guess this will require the GFX100 to make the move? Very likely the GFX "mk2" would have a full size MF sensor creating a larger difference in shallow dof and other advantages of larger sensor.

Since I'm not interested in a MF system I can use my existing FF setup for portrait work. I'd be looking at the Sigma 135 f/1.8, 105 f/1.4, 85L f/1.4IS. That's what I'd be doing if I were in your shoes due to the scope of your work. Models don't move much for photo shoots. The difference is with my 5d4 I could happily throw on your 300mm and do sports and capture every single movement with great sharpness or even use if for portraits. 30 MP is more than enough for non poster size work.

Looking forward to see what the next GFX will do for the Fuji community. I think the Fuji render is one of the bonuses in the GFX.


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Jul 14, 2018 12:01 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #7677

Well I know over here to catalogue art pieces we use a MF camera or if we can fit it a cruse scanner as the lighting and colour is always spot on. I'm only speaking from personal experience here. Not a small 135mm sensor in sight. Over there the CSI use Canon, go figure...

The GFX mark2 will not have a 53X40 sensor it will stick to the same size as it already is for so many reasons. Least as far as I know ;-)a You have to pony up big time if you want to be in that club.

I think MF-c is a lot less niche than it use to be, and more people will surly join in once the next camera is released, the GFX50r as it will be more affordable, good times.


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Jul 14, 2018 12:50 |  #7678

Haha, didn't now the owners of the cafe snapped this one till I saw their story on instagram, me mid direction...


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Jul 14, 2018 13:22 |  #7679

^^ I was going to ask about the flash/strobe in that shot.


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Jul 14, 2018 13:25 |  #7680

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