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Jul 15, 2018 11:04 |  #8146

Pigpen101 wrote in post #18663203 (external link)
I concur. You will never please everyone. The reason I would buy the image from Mozes is because these people (I mean the guy on the bike) most likely have a million photographs of themselves and most of them would look similar or the same and this shot is definitely different. I normally do just shoot for "myself" except with the newspaper, I have to please an editor and the writers.

Thanks for your input.

But wouldn't it then be better to ask the editors and writers what they prefer rather than posting here and asking what a bunch of other photographers like? The paper is the one buying your photos, not us crazy photographers? :-P Give them a few sample shots and see if any fit their preferences.


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Jul 15, 2018 12:19 |  #8147

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Jul 15, 2018 12:30 as a reply to  @ Grand Dad's post |  #8148

Not the point of the post. I've been shooting for the paper about 8 years, I know what they want & they know what they are getting from me. I stated in my post that the owners/racers of the cars might like to purchase a few of my shots. The images for the paper have already been chosen, edited, & sent to the editor.

I posted this because, as you have said, everybody has their own likes & dislikes. I was requesting feedback as to each individual's thought process on how they determine what they use and what they trash.

I did not expect one "right" answer, but a different answer from each photographer. More of a "what the photographer that took the picture prefers, not so much about the prospective client.." Just like you and Mozes. He liked the images and saw it as a keeper, whereas you would have binned it.

Sorry, maybe I should have been more clear.




  
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Jul 15, 2018 12:46 |  #8149

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Not the point of the post. I've been shooting for the paper about 8 years, I know what they want & they know what they are getting from me. I stated in my post that the owners/racers of the cars might like to purchase a few of my shots. The images for the paper have already been chosen, edited, & sent to the editor.

I posted this because, as you have said, everybody has their own likes & dislikes. I was requesting feedback as to each individual's thought process on how they determine what they use and what they trash.

I did not expect one "right" answer, but a different answer from each photographer. More of a "what the photographer that took the picture prefers, not so much about the prospective client.." Just like you and Mozes. He liked the images and saw it as a keeper, whereas you would have binned it.

Sorry, maybe I should have been more clear.

From a racer's point of view what tickles their fancy may not be a technically 'good' shot. If you capture a point in the race that's important to them (a key pass for position, or saving a slide, or perhaps bumping a turtle and getting half the car airborne as a few examples). After a while they've seen a bunch of panning shots of their cars and they'll probably like to see some well executed ones but sometimes subtle things grab their attention. All that being said, a racer willing to part with money for pictures is few and far between for the most part, unless you've captured something that inspires them to open their wallets. Looking at things with a critical eye and a 'racers point of view' will probably leave you with a good set to choose from.


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Jul 15, 2018 12:54 as a reply to  @ Jethr0's post |  #8150

Ok, but what do YOU like. I really didn't intend to come at this as a "pleasing the customer" question , more as "pleasing yourself as photographer" question. You, for instance, have incredible shots on this thread. What aspect of your shot(s) makes you decide whether you will take the time to edit & keep, or dump it?

Damn it!! I've hijacked this thread!!

My next post will have images from this weekend.

EDIT: I did kinda allude to the "pleasing the customer" thing in my response to Mozes's post, but not in my original post.




  
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Jul 15, 2018 13:10 |  #8151

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Ok, but what do YOU like. I really didn't intend to come at this as a "pleasing the customer" question , more as "pleasing yourself as photographer" question. You, for instance, have incredible shots on this thread. What aspect of your shot(s) makes you decide whether you will take the time to edit & keep, or dump it?

Damn it!! I've hijacked this thread!!

My next post will have images from this weekend.

EDIT: I did kinda allude to the "pleasing the customer" thing in my response to Mozes's post, but not in my original post.

Thank you for the kind words :-)

I am at the moment (coincidentally) culling shots from the IMSA Weekend I attended recently. Just finished Saturday. 1849 images down to 223. Sharpness and framing are not always the top considerations when deciding to cull or to keep, there's more to it than that IMO. I look at each shot and decide rather quickly whether to cull or not. Not in any order ...what I consider.. 1: Is it relatively in focus for the type of shot i was going for? 2: Is it framed in an un-awkward way? 3: Is anything interesting happening? 4: Do I have one like this already, and if so, is this one better? 5: is this a dive bomb pass, contact, spins, offs with unplanned cultivation, armco contact, tire wall thrown in the air, gravel spewing everywhere, is the car airborne in some way by one or more tires? Overall...does the photo project some kind of energy to my eyeballs?

I have done some limited racing in the past, and have crewed for a number of racers/teams - so I feel like I have a sense of what translates into something people want to see or will find appealing from some sense.


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Jul 15, 2018 14:55 |  #8152

Another from the IMSA weathertech series.


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Jul 15, 2018 15:28 |  #8153

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Thank you. That is a cool shot!!

I do normally go by what I like. But this is a unique situation. I was at the race doing a cover story of one of the biggest mechanics there, he currently is in charge of modifying, repairing , etc... 17 cars at this race. Quite a job to take on!! Anyway, he is originally from the area my newspaper covers. We were talking of the crazy numbers ($$$$) these people have invested in their vehicles. This is when he told me if I got some great shots of any of these cars, the owners would probably buy them from me.

So now it turns from what I like to what OTHERS may like.

I can tell you this: If I were the guy in the picture you just posted, I'd buy it!!

Forget it, this picture will never sell.
the pictures that i sell, are the ones i will never buy for myself, strange but th truth, it are always the one's that i did not expected.
And that annoys me, i can never say before witch one will sell. :cry:


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Jul 15, 2018 15:49 as a reply to  @ Mozes's post |  #8154

I know. I did a show once (never again!!). After looking through all my photos, a women asked me if I had any pictures of outhouses ????? Who new??


I notice many of you using the 70-200mm. Do you think this gives some advantage to panning over a wide angle, or is it simply because you can't get that close?




  
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Jul 15, 2018 15:57 |  #8155

Jethr0 wrote in post #18663314 (external link)
Thank you for the kind words :-)

I am at the moment (coincidentally) culling shots from the IMSA Weekend I attended recently. Just finished Saturday. 1849 images down to 223. Sharpness and framing are not always the top considerations when deciding to cull or to keep, there's more to it than that IMO. I look at each shot and decide rather quickly whether to cull or not. Not in any order ...what I consider.. 1: Is it relatively in focus for the type of shot i was going for? 2: Is it framed in an un-awkward way? 3: Is anything interesting happening? 4: Do I have one like this already, and if so, is this one better? 5: is this a dive bomb pass, contact, spins, offs with unplanned cultivation, armco contact, tire wall thrown in the air, gravel spewing everywhere, is the car airborne in some way by one or more tires? Overall...does the photo project some kind of energy to my eyeballs?

I have done some limited racing in the past, and have crewed for a number of racers/teams - so I feel like I have a sense of what translates into something people want to see or will find appealing from some sense.


Thank you for your input, much to learn. Unfortunately, I only get to cover one or two races a year. I am normally the football/baseball/bask​etball/soccer guy.

Here are 2 from yesterday's PVGP.


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Jul 15, 2018 17:01 |  #8156

First time panning with my Canon G1X mk iii.
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Jul 15, 2018 21:42 |  #8157

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Jul 16, 2018 08:12 |  #8158

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Jul 16, 2018 11:13 |  #8159

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This one is a real winner for me! Nice job.


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Jul 16, 2018 12:25 |  #8160

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This one is a real winner for me! Nice job.

+1 on that...


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