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Jul 18, 2018 10:44 as a reply to  @ post 18665281 |  #16

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Why don't you pick your ass off this forum and get a life.




  
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Jul 18, 2018 10:53 |  #17

Jules4098 wrote in post #18665304 (external link)
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Why don't you pick your ass off this forum and get a life.

strong first post.


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Jul 18, 2018 11:18 |  #18

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I have worked since i was 14, the longest i have been out of work for was 1 week when i came back from working overseas, i donate my time to cover charity events, i train guide dogs. I have dealt with family deaths, a wife who has severe depression, i work a full time job (7:30am - 8pm) and i keep smiling through it all despite having a few mental breakdowns (yes the cut arm in the depression and anxiety project is real and mine)

I like to think i am a good person.

Might be worth knowing someone before going there.

This and everything you said in the previous posts justifying your actions may be true but that is not how it is coming across. I also think you are missing the points stated. It is true, we do not know you, therefore we have to appraise you by what you present and you have read my assessment of you. You may not agree with that assessment but hopefully you can see the disconnect here. I made the comment about entitlement because that is how you came across. I made the comment about dismissiveness because that is how you came across. This community has nothing vested in you and can only react to what you present. Instead on being on the defensive because you feel you are being attacked personally you should be asking why it seems the community is rallying against you.

I don't know you. I could care less about you. There was nothing personal about my comment. It was merely a reaction to what I read in this post. Consider this my version of a sidewalk handout, though it is advice rather than money.


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Jul 18, 2018 11:27 |  #19

I appreciate your explanation of how you have seen me coming across, I am not a person that normally asks for help (stubborn) but sometimes i do.
I would be curious as to what i have asked / stated in my campaign that has made people think that i feel i am owed something.
Was there particular wording i could have better used to explain my difference of opinion and not a beg but a request for support?
(i understand this reply could be read with sarcasm being the undertone but it is a sinceer question)


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Jul 18, 2018 11:47 |  #20

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #18665333 (external link)
Was there particular wording i could have better used to explain my difference of opinion and not a beg but a request for support?
(i understand this reply could be read with sarcasm being the undertone but it is a sinceer question)

I think people reacted, first of all, to your original request itself, not the wording. Many POTN members hold off buying expensive gear that would help them move forward, but they don't ask for donations here. They talk about saving up for their next lens, or cutting expenses somewhere else, or getting a raise next year . . . Budgeting and making purchases are regarded as a personal responsibility (keep in mind that I'm American; our national culture stresses individualism).

Then you've responded defensively to posts criticizing your request as inappropriate and suggesting other ways to get where you want to go. That doesn't help.

Being a good person, doing charitable work yourself, is great. It just doesn't translate into being entitled to receive something. Neither does having sources of unhappiness in your life. I'm sorry, there's no natural compensation for events that cause suffering. Believe me, I have plenty of reasons to think about such things.


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Jul 18, 2018 11:51 |  #21

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #18665333 (external link)
I appreciate your explanation of how you have seen me coming across, I am not a person that normally asks for help (stubborn) but sometimes i do.
I would be curious as to what i have asked / stated in my campaign that has made people think that i feel i am owed something.
Was there particular wording i could have better used to explain my difference of opinion and not a beg but a request for support?
(i understand this reply could be read with sarcasm being the undertone but it is a sinceer question)

No, it came across sincere enough. :)

It's not any particular wording, per se, but the overall expectation that a community who struggles with gear funding will dismiss their own needs over yours. Specially since there is no "hardship" associated with your request. For an example, look up Tony and Chelsea Northrup's recent donation to a physically handicapped girl whose dream is to be a photographer. In that case she had a need someone else identified which moved people to take action.

Secondly, Dan, a seasoned photographer identified several legitimate and solid deficiencies in your work that need immediate attention that no new camera will ever fix. Several other members supported his assessment and you felt it best to cherry pick his suggestions. His assessment, as he stated, came from observing your work. You do not show the qualifications to dismiss his effort to help in that manner. By casually dismissing one pro you are systematically alienating every other pro here. It boils down to, "if he doesn't respect solid advice, why should I fund his endeavors?"

In all, it's not what you said but what you didn't say. More importantly, what was said between the lines.

Hope this clears some things up.


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Jul 18, 2018 11:55 |  #22

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Being a good person, doing charitable work yourself, is great. It just doesn't translate into being entitled to receive something. Neither does having sources of unhappiness in your life. I'm sorry, there's no natural compensation for events that cause suffering. Believe me, I have plenty of reasons to think about such things.

So true. You (OP) are not the only one with scars.


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Jul 18, 2018 12:19 |  #23
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This is getting personal. If you don't want to donate, move along. No need to beat the guy up.

Well it is personal. He’s asking for my money and i’m giving him my advice.




  
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Jul 18, 2018 12:21 |  #24
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Jules4098 wrote in post #18665304 (external link)
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Why don't you pick your ass off this forum and get a life.

I’ve picked my ass off, worked hard all my life and earned my retirement at 57. I now deserve to sit on my ass all I want...and I don’t ask for anyone to fund my hobby.




  
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Jul 18, 2018 12:37 |  #25
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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18665310 (external link)
strong first post.

Given that this account was just created my bets it’s the OP hiding behind another account.




  
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Jul 18, 2018 12:41 |  #26

This tactic might work, I tried this and made enough to get batteries for my flashes, so anything is possible! :lol:


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Jul 18, 2018 12:41 as a reply to  @ Hogloff's post |  #27

Thought the same when it was posted and reported it....


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Jul 18, 2018 12:43 |  #28

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Thought the same when it was posted and reported it....

Hey I did as well.


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Jul 18, 2018 12:51 |  #29

Reading the request being made, I am questioning the equipment being sought and the reason. It sounds like more a request for money to generally live on than for gear. If one is struggling to raise money to eat and generally live, then how will funds be managed to buy gear? Won't funds always go to the necessary expenses first, thus leaving nothing left for gear? There are millions of folks that are scraping by, and would love to have money for whatever hobby they love most, or to open up a channel of income from scratch. This is a sad but true state of affairs for most folks, which is probably the cause of many of the replies here.

Also, regarding gear, I am not sure a 1D3 and 50-500 is going to be a great set up for what is being shot. 50mm on that lens is just okay, it's definitely the weakest part of the Sigma lens. Also a 1D3 with just 10Mpx isn't giving enough latitude in either low light shooting or cropability.

Just based on the equipment alone being sought after, I wouldn't donate because I feel those are the wrong tools, personally. The results just won't be any better really I feel. At least 2 lenses will be needed, along with a camera with more resolution to combat noise and extend cropability.

The most I can offer at this point to help would be a poignant prayer. Things will get better, and if you work a few "charitable" events for business or individuals to get your name out there more, I am sure paying opportunities will invariably follow.


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Jul 18, 2018 13:05 |  #30

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18665376 (external link)
Reading the request being made, I am questioning the equipment being sought and the reason. It sounds like more a request for money to generally live on than for gear. If one is struggling to raise money to eat and generally live, then how will funds be managed to buy gear? Won't funds always go to the necessary expenses first, thus leaving nothing left for gear?

Also, I am not sure a 1D3 and 50-500 is going to be a great set up for what is being shot. 50mm on that lens is just okay, it's definitely the weakest part of the Sigma lens. Also a 1D3 with just 10Mpx isn't giving enough latitude in either low light shooting or cropability.

Just based on the equipment alone being sought after, I wouldn't donate because I feel those are the wrong tools, personally.

Hmm.. I didn't even get that far.

I agree, the Sigma (Bigma) isn't the best lens based on what he is looking to shoot. I have Sigma's 120-400mm lens and I never use it at events, preferring the Canon 70-200mm for greater versatility and better image quality. That 50-500mm has serious vignetting on the far end. According to some reviews, the noticeably best quality is at f/11 so it's definitely an outdoor only lens.

As for camera, I'd take my 6D over a 1D3 any time. And the OP can probably find a comparable deal on a used one.


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