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May 29, 2018 13:03 |  #1

Ever since I got rid of RX100 V, I’ve been looking to add a small photo/video camera as a lightweight alternative to my 5div. M50 turned out to be the first such camera for me (didn’t like SL2 as much). When it was first announced, I was very skeptical about getting one considering its 4k limitations but after I got a chance to handle one in store, I was immediately hooked. The price drop and the $50 EF-M adapter when purchased as a bundle has sealed the deal for me. I’ve owned it for a week and after almost a thousand of family shots over the holiday weekend and almost a hundred of videos, this camera is such a joy to use.
Pros:
- Brilliant fully articulating screen. It is MUCH more useful than tilting variants
- DPAF on steroids. If you think DPAF in 5div and 80d is great, wait till you try the updated version in M50
- Best EVF I’ve ever seen: very accurate colors and brightness, 100% match with the LCD screen
- Touch & Drag is brilliant with LCD screen flipped out to the left (with left hand). No tilting screen can offer that. MUCH nicer than using a joystick on 5div
- Outstanding out of camera colors in raw, jpegs and video
- First EOS-M camera with AWB-W which I consider the best AWB implementation on the market (better than a gray card). Especially critical for video capture. SL2 has somewhat slow AWB-W whereas M50 is instantaneous, similar to 5div
- Surprisingly nice ergonomics for such a small camera
- Excellent built quality, noticeably nicer than somewhat plasticky SL2. Made in Japan (including camera cap)
- Very good 1080/60p video with super-fast and smooth continuous AF even in low light with EF-M 22mm lens
- Surprisingly clear and low noise built-in stereo mic, possibly a first for Canon
- Very compact (and great looking) setup when coupled with EF-M 22mm f2 pancake lens. It is my mini 5div+35IS.
- 4k automated timelapse option
- Superb focus peaking implementation.
- Eye-AF works great at close distances where it matters (not in video though).
- Compressed raw is useful. I prefer shooting jpegs for casual outings and travel but it’s nice to have an option of small raw files just in case.
- Programmable buttons – M50 provides more option than 5div does in LiveView.
- Build-in flash is useful for outdoor use, to lift shadows at close distances (useless indoors – can’t bounce).
- Wireless implementation is quite great although slower than 5div or even 6d when transferring images. Still very convenient and can transfer videos too (except 4k).
-Supports wireless tethered shooting
-Super easy and fun to use for any family members. In fact, it is our family P&S now that replaces RX100 series.
- Can be AC powered for continous use as it is compatible with Canon DC coupler.

Cons:
- Inability to set minimum shutter speed for AutoISO. I often have to use Tv mode instead when I prefer 1/125s for people/events.
- No C1/C2 custom modes. Thankfully, M50 remembers shutter speed settings for Tv, M and video modes. The absence of custom modes is understandable for this class of camera.
- Must turn the dial to video mode for any control over video aperture and shutter speed.
- The absence of DPAF in 4k is a bummer. 4k is actually very nice looking, much better than 1080p when viewed on 65” screen. It is still usable for static scenes, you just need to pre-focus and switch to MF (programmable button) then monitor focus peaking. Contrast AF in 4k is the worst I’ve seen – forget about using it, even pre-focus is a challenge.
- No stabilization for EF-M 22mm lens. Not important for stills at this FL but would be very useful for video. Digital IS works well only for somewhat static scenes, otherwise it results in ruined footage so I disable it by default. EF-M 11-22mm has excellent OIS.
- Slow motion 720/120p is unusable, IMO. It is beyond soft, looks like SD footage. For reference, 5div’s slow mo is quite useful and upscales well thanks to its massive bitrate.
- The quality of 1080p recording is highly dependent on the picture style and its settings. Default setting will result in aliasing, artifacts, over-sharpening, excessive NR, etc. I found Neutral style with sharpness at 3 and contrast – 2 to provide the best out of camera results so far. Still in low light, it is not great – can’t control NR which makes videos quite soft and unnaturally looking.
- Timelapse is limited to minimum 1/30s shutter speed. (=no long exposure timelapse unless using external intervalometer).
- Battery life actually is not nearly as bad as when I first read the specs. You can definitely get at least 300+ shots plus at least 30min of video if not more. If just photos, I think you should be able to easily get 400+ shots without flash. Still, Canon could have used a higher capacity LP-E17 battery.
- No HDMI control with tv remote like on 5div.

Example of out of camera 1080/60p video shot with 22mm f2 lens: https://vimeo.com/2723​88855 (external link)

Example of out of camera 4k/24p video shot with 22mm f2 lens: https://vimeo.com/2724​86160 (external link)

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May 30, 2018 21:59 as a reply to  @ artsf's post |  #3

Fantastic review! I’m on the fence about buying this camera. I usually shoot video with my C200 but sometimes I need a small video camera for tight spots or for traveling light. This little guy sure does have a lot going for it!

Do you mind answering a few questions?
-How is the lag in the EVF?
-How silent can the shutter get? Quiet enough for use during vows at a wedding ceremony?
-can you turn off exposure compensation for use during flash photography?

Thanks again for the review!


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May 30, 2018 22:20 |  #4

Marm O. Set wrote in post #18636159 (external link)
Fantastic review! I’m on the fence about buying this camera. I usually shoot video with my C200 but sometimes I need a small video camera for tight spots or for traveling light. This little guy sure does have a lot going for it!

Do you mind answering a few questions?
-How is the lag in the EVF?
-How silent can the shutter get? Quiet enough for use during vows at a wedding ceremony?
-can you turn off exposure compensation for use during flash photography?

Thanks again for the review!

I notice no lag in EVF at all, as I mentioned the best I’ve seen. My most recent point of reference is A7rii. M50’s EVF is much better because its exposure preview and colors are extremely accurate and match LCD 100% all at default settings. Touch&drag is in real time so if there was any lag I think I would have noticed it. At first, M50’s EVF seemed small compared to 5div’s OVF but after I got used to it I just don’t feel like going back to OVF - it produces worse results due to inability to preview exposure/scene rendering, color balance, etc. Not to mention using touch&drag with articulating screen is genius and feels so natural, who would want to use the stupid joystic with less than half the AF points all cluttered in the middle after this experience? The icing on the cake is the additional stabilization I get while shooting video via EVF.

Silent shutter is completely silent, you may hear aperture opening up for focusing if it’s not aready wide open, lens dependent. But it’s very limited, must turn dial to scene more ‘silent’ and you will have no control over A,S, ISO, WB. Basicaly you can just choose AF point or type. But it still records raw. Theoretically with MF lenses you may be able to gain control over aperture via manual ring.

As far as flash exposure, I see no difference at all from 5div, same exact functionality includinn flash exposure comp at your fingertips. AE/FE lock programmable button.




  
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May 31, 2018 10:34 as a reply to  @ artsf's post |  #5

Thanks for the reply.

When I said exposure compensation I meant to say exposure simulation.
Flashes are a big part of my stills workflow. Exposure simulation makes the LCD look all dark because the flashes are not on when I'm composing the shot. I like turning exposure simulation off when I can so that I have a nice bright image to use for composing. Does the M50 do this? I downloaded the user manual and could not find it in there so I'm a little nervous that this feature was left off similar to the Rebel bodies.

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Marm O. Set wrote in post #18636476 (external link)
Thanks for the reply.

When I said exposure compensation I meant to say exposure simulation.
Flashes are a big part of my stills workflow. Exposure simulation makes the LCD look all dark because the flashes are not on when I'm composing the shot. I like turning exposure simulation off when I can so that I have a nice bright image to use for composing. Does the M50 do this? I downloaded the user manual and could not find it in there so I'm a little nervous that this feature was left off similar to the Rebel bodies.

thanks again
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I didn’t see any difference between M50 and 5div when using flash; it always uses wide open aperture for focus/servo. Same with the built-in flash; engaging it doesn’t affect liveview preview. Is that what you mean?




  
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May 31, 2018 15:07 |  #7

no.
I understand what you are saying but I didn't explain myself very well.

On a DSLRs Live View screen you can see what the shot's brightness will look like because exposure simulation is active by default (I think its default, not sure). So if you have your camera in manual and your lens is wide open at f/1.4 then the image looks one way. When you scroll your control dial and stop down to f/8 but leave the ISO and shutter where they were the screen will darken. This is exposure simulation. The screen is simulating approximately how dark the exposure will be; its only a simulation because the lens is not actually being stopped down to make the image darker, it is achieved in the camera's software. On the 80D, 7D, 5D, and 1D models you can turn this on/off. I was wondering if the M50 could turn this off as well. My Rebels cannot turn it off.

Most people disable/enable (depending on personal preferences) it during setup for flash photography but there might be other non-flash uses for it as well.


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Marm O. Set wrote in post #18636676 (external link)
no.
I understand what you are saying but I didn't explain myself very well.

On a DSLRs Live View screen you can see what the shot's brightness will look like because exposure simulation is active by default (I think its default, not sure). So if you have your camera in manual and your lens is wide open at f/1.4 then the image looks one way. When you scroll your control dial and stop down to f/8 but leave the ISO and shutter where they were the screen will darken. This is exposure simulation. The screen is simulating approximately how dark the exposure will be; its only a simulation because the lens is not actually being stopped down to make the image darker, it is achieved in the camera's software. On the 80D, 7D, 5D, and 1D models you can turn this on/off. I was wondering if the M50 could turn this off as well. My Rebels cannot turn it off.

Most people disable/enable (depending on personal preferences) it during setup for flash photography but there might be other non-flash uses for it as well.

This is from M50 manual:


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I think there is additional menu option when hot shoe is engaged, I’ll have to check tonight. So far LCD is just dark at f8 until I half press shutter to focus just like my 5div does in liveview. This is normal behavior as all my flashes are manual.



  
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May 31, 2018 17:35 as a reply to  @ artsf's post |  #9

ah, so it is in there and I missed it! Thanks.


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I have been considering the M50 as an adjunct to my 7D2 and my 6D2. My big stumbling block is the dearth of M-mount lenses and the slow maximum apertures (the 22mm f/2 prime is the exception).

The longer lenses generally have an absolutely ridiculous maximum f/6.3 maximum aperture. I would be hard pressed to shoot what I would refer to as decent head and shoulders portraits with no longer lens having better better than an f/6.3 aperture.

Yes, I realize that I can use any of my present EF and EFS lenses with this camera and an adapter. However, those larger lenses negate the size advantage of the M-50. I have a 135mm f/2.8 SF lens which is of the size and weight that would make it a very decent M-mount lens - IF the non SF image quality was a bit better. However, 135mm is a TAD long for a 1.6x crop sensor camera...

A 50-100mm f/4 M-mount lens would increase the value of the M-50 system greatly; while a 100mm f/2.8 prime would make the M-50 a very interesting proposition for me.

I realize that this is an entry level camera but, with only lenses as the present selection offered, I simply don't think that I could credit this camera for any serious photography.

The Canon Rebel series of cameras are entry level and their kit lenses are along the lines of the M-mount lenses but, the Rebels are capable of wearing a far larger number of lenses than those supplied with the camera yet, these extra lenses would not change the size/weight of the package to any great degree.


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Jul 29, 2018 20:32 |  #11

When you look at the amazing plethora of lens choices that a photographer would have for the Panasonic and Olympus 4/3 systems, you only realize how badly Canon has dropped the ball with their M-50 collection. Really folks, those lenses are toyish or can I put it another way, they are "HOLGA-LIKE"


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Aug 16, 2018 18:19 as a reply to  @ RPCrowe's post |  #12

Been thinking about adding one of these to my kit. Love my big well built bodies but there are times I would love a pocketable mirrorless that I can slap an "L" lens on.


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Aug 28, 2018 08:22 |  #13

RPCrowe wrote in post #18670700 (external link)
I have been considering the M50 as an adjunct to my 7D2 and my 6D2. My big stumbling block is the dearth of M-mount lenses and the slow maximum apertures (the 22mm f/2 prime is the exception).

The longer lenses generally have an absolutely ridiculous maximum f/6.3 maximum aperture. I would be hard pressed to shoot what I would refer to as decent head and shoulders portraits with no longer lens having better better than an f/6.3 aperture.

Yes, I realize that I can use any of my present EF and EFS lenses with this camera and an adapter. However, those larger lenses negate the size advantage of the M-50. I have a 135mm f/2.8 SF lens which is of the size and weight that would make it a very decent M-mount lens - IF the non SF image quality was a bit better. However, 135mm is a TAD long for a 1.6x crop sensor camera...

A 50-100mm f/4 M-mount lens would increase the value of the M-50 system greatly; while a 100mm f/2.8 prime would make the M-50 a very interesting proposition for me.

I realize that this is an entry level camera but, with only lenses as the present selection offered, I simply don't think that I could credit this camera for any serious photography.

The Canon Rebel series of cameras are entry level and their kit lenses are along the lines of the M-mount lenses but, the Rebels are capable of wearing a far larger number of lenses than those supplied with the camera yet, these extra lenses would not change the size/weight of the package to any great degree.

I do believe a EF-M 32 (approx 50mm equiv) f 1.4 is coming out shortly. At least according to the rumors. If this turns out to be true which I believe it is then at least it is showing dedication to that line.




  
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Aug 28, 2018 08:25 |  #14

RPCrowe wrote in post #18673398 (external link)
When you look at the amazing plethora of lens choices that a photographer would have for the Panasonic and Olympus 4/3 systems, you only realize how badly Canon has dropped the ball with their M-50 collection. Really folks, those lenses are toyish or can I put it another way, they are "HOLGA-LIKE"

I disagree on the "dropped the ball" comment. I wish they moved faster on their EF-M lens lineup but the fact of the matter is both my wife and I love this little gem and it is a nice complement to my 5D Mark IV.




  
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