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Jul 23, 2018 23:40 |  #1

Looking for input on the best lens for INDOOR swimming. Will be mounted on either a 5D4 or 1DxII, probably the later. Full size 50 meter pool. My second body will have a 70-200. Lighting isn't the best but also not the worst thing I've ever shot in - guessing I'd be about ISO 1600 for 1/1000-1/1600 at 2.8-4.

First thought was the 400 2.8, but the 200-400 has also crept into my mind. I think 500 is going to be a little too long, but I could be wrong.

If any one is wondering, 50 meters is roughly 54 yards.


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Jul 25, 2018 11:01 |  #2

What kind of access do you have? On the deck or up in the stands?


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Jul 25, 2018 14:07 as a reply to  @ Croasdail's post |  #3

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Jul 26, 2018 22:21 |  #4

ISO 1600 at that ss & aperture is GREAT lighting for indoor sports. I think the 400 might still be a little short for the other end of the pool.




  
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Jul 27, 2018 10:24 |  #5

mike_d wrote in post #18671572 (external link)
ISO 1600 at that ss & aperture is GREAT lighting for indoor sports. I think the 400 might still be a little short for the other end of the pool.

I know from shooting my daughter’s team in a 25m pool, 200 works really good for dives and that first 10-15m.


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Jul 27, 2018 10:58 |  #6

I used to shoot a lot of college swimming. In my experience, a f2.8 lens is pretty much required for indoor meets. I have found lighting to be bad to worse.

As for focal length if you are on the deck and can move around and are using a prime there will be a distance range that it works well for each lens and outside of that range, you will either be getting wider shots than you want or tighter shots than you want.

A 200-400 zoom would be pretty sweet, except for the f4 limitation.

I have shot with a 70-200 which I found to be not enough, a 300/f2.8 which works well and a 400/f2.8 which also works well. But like I said, with a prime, there is a best distance and you will end up with similar pictures from any of them.

Have you shot at the pool before? Do you know how good the lighting is? I see you have a 5DIV so higher ISO should not be a problem so trying out a 200-400/f4 would be my choice if the lighting is in the ok range.


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Jul 27, 2018 11:30 |  #7

huntersdad wrote in post #18671852 (external link)
I know from shooting my daughter’s team in a 25m pool, 200 works really good for dives and that first 10-15m.

I've shot basketball from the corners of the court with a 70-200. A basketball court is 28.7m long and I found the 200 to be a bit short for the far end but I like shooting tighter rather than wider most of the time. I'm thinking with double the length, you'll want some good reach if you wanted to shoot tight.




  
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Jul 27, 2018 13:36 |  #8

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Have you shot at the pool before? Do you know how good the lighting is? I see you have a 5DIV so higher ISO should not be a problem so trying out a 200-400/f4 would be my choice if the lighting is in the ok range.

Been, but haven't yet shot. That's coming shortly. The issue with the 5D4 isn't the high ISO, it's speed and AF. Having used it outdoors for my daughter's swim meets, FPS is just too slow and the AF isn't as adept at keeping up as I would like. These would likely be replaced by 1DxIIs.

My plan is a trip over this week to shoot some practice sessions and really understand the lighting.


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Jul 28, 2018 21:19 |  #9

Your last comment is very sensible. Shooting the practice events can allow you to really get your shooting technique and gear nailed down...

Most of the swim events I have seen are not shot along the length of the pool to capture individual swimmers. They were overall shots with wider focal length lenses. Individual swimmers have been shot mostly at the ends or from the sides...

I would wager that a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens on a Canon 7D2 might just cover most of your needs. Throw in a 300mm f/4L IS lens on a second camera and have a mid range zoom like a 24-70 f/2.8 in your bag for when you need it.


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Jul 28, 2018 22:10 |  #10

RPCrowe wrote in post #18672739 (external link)
Most of the swim events I have seen are not shot along the length of the pool to capture individual swimmers. They were overall shots with wider foal length lenses. Individual swimmers have been shot mostly at the ends or from the sides...

I totally agree with this. However, for what I am doing, it's more of a focus on individual swimmers. Kinda like shooting a baseball tourney, but focused on a specific swimmer per heat. That's why I'm thinking the longer lens and faster camera, especially for breast and butterfly. Hadn't thought about the 7D2, so might revisit that one, although it doesn't;t have the build quality of the 1DxII, which given my shooting environment, I think is going to be important.


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Jul 28, 2018 23:30 |  #11

RPCrowe wrote in post #18672739 (external link)
Most of the swim events I have seen are not shot along the length of the pool to capture individual swimmers. They were overall shots with wider foal length lenses. Individual swimmers have been shot mostly at the ends or from the sides...

It depends on the stroke. Some like the butterfly back and breaststroke are best from the end of the lane, freestyle is better from the side of the pool.


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Aug 02, 2018 07:43 |  #12

So here is a whack-a-doodle idea maybe. Since your in the stands, I don't think a 400 2.8 is really all that practical, for you or the people around you. I have a Mk II of that lens, love it, but for indoor tightly packed venues, not ideal. The 300 is much more manageable, and cheaper. You can also marry it with a good crop sensor camera that gives you a lot more flexibility. I used to shoot at Duke with a 7D and an old Sigma 120-300, and the range was perfect. I had that and a 1D with a 70-200 mounted and with the two I had the venue covered.

Never shot the 200-400, so can't speak to that one at all. If you are shooting from seats at the end of the deck Im thinking 200 is still going to be a bit long. As mentioned before a two body 70-200 and a 200-400 would cover a lot of options. But I wouldn't personally go with the prime 400 unless you can get a really high and steep angle at the water.

The other thing is with big glass you need to show up early to let the lens acclimate to the venue. I mistakenly didn't give myself enough time once and spent the first 30 minutes defogger the dang thing between each heat. Sounds like you've done this a bit, so that isn't news to you.


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Aug 02, 2018 10:53 as a reply to  @ Croasdail's post |  #13

I won't be shooting from the stands. I'll be anywhere on the deck except behind the blocks.


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Aug 02, 2018 11:12 |  #14

Sigma 120-300 f2.8

BTW, the 5D4 AF is up to this task, if it isn't working well for you, it is likely settings or lens being used. 7fps is decent enough too, considering that swimming is a very repetitive action, so you have many opportunities as a swimmer comes toward you to get some keepers. If I can keep focus on players running at me on a court full speed as they get ready to fly in the air for a dunk, it will keep up with a swimmer. However that is with the Canon 70-200 f2.8. Some 3rd party lenses are pretty quick, but perhaps lag behind just a bit in the AF department, so if the lens I mention above doesn't work, then your only Canon choices really are the 70-200 f2.8 or a longer fast prime.


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Aug 03, 2018 09:57 |  #15

If your on the deck, a 300 or 400 should not be necessary....


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