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Jul 27, 2018 17:13 |  #16

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Congrats and nice write up. Since you brought up the 400 DO II thought I'd pipe in. Sorry for going off topic but your input will be helpful.The 500 was my dream for years but as time went on and I got older the 400 became more appealing. I wish Canon has offered a 500 DO. 600 is rumoured so maybe an upgrade one day.

First of the sharpness with a 2X has exceeded my expectations. What I have found so far with AF. The 1.4 is a cake walk but the 2X is the challenge. When use AI Servo, put the AF point on a static object, press the BBF the AF speed is more than adequate despite the 75% delay the 2X causes. Very acceptable. Even after moving the AF point to another object and back it is pretty good. I tested with TS at -2 and TS at +2 and AF release response times worked as expected between both settings.

BIF. Hard enough to track a blur at 800mm and it takes forever to focus. I pretty much have to pump the BBF when the AF point is on the target. I'm OK with that because and there not much I can do about it. No fine tuning settings for contrast detection. Works great on static objects but I guess that delay really kicks in for moving targets. The delay makes me wonder how it effects tracking. Does the delay only effect initial AF acquisition or tracking as well? Did you notice anything?

My keeper rate went down which I expected. A lot due to me. Even with IS on you can see any slight movement at 800mm. You need to be steady. I always come home with something so I'm not worried. I have not tried the pre-focus option so I'm not sure how much that will help. Gotta have something to pre focus on first. Not tried without IS but can't imagine not having it. I'll give mode 3 a run.

I also asked Ari this question and just posted it but I think it needs to be reviewed. Kinda wondering what your past and current experiences where. I got it to get more reach for wildlife in general. I wondered about BIF at 800mm in general but results came quicker than I thought it would.

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From what I know, and have experienced, only the 1DX II drives the TC III's at full speed with no slow down, whereas the 5D4 (maybe others, this I don't know) drives the 1.4x at full speed, but reduced speed w/ the 2x. But I most definitely notice reduced speed and "sure-footedness" using the TC's, especially when shooting in places with distracting backgrounds (such as tree branches); I'm actually not too experienced with BIF, so my observations may not apply.


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Jul 27, 2018 17:15 |  #17

+1 on the write up. I've had the 600II for a while and I'm still adjusting to it.


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Jul 27, 2018 17:45 |  #18

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From what I know, and have experienced, only the 1DX II drives the TC III's at full speed with no slow down, whereas the 5D4 (maybe others, this I don't know) drives the 1.4x at full speed, but reduced speed w/ the 2x. But I most definitely notice reduced speed and "sure-footedness" using the TC's, especially when shooting in places with distracting backgrounds (such as tree branches); I'm actually not too experienced with BIF, so my observations may not apply.

Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it.


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Jul 27, 2018 19:23 |  #19

I hate threads like this! j/k.. now I've got 600 fever and have only Matthew to blame! :D


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Jul 27, 2018 20:51 |  #20

I choose to get the 1D X2 before a big white. Right decision? I'm not really sure.... but I sure love the 1D X2. Best camera I've ever had in my hands.

I do notice, the 1.4X iii works so well with it, I hardly know it's there. Very little detail loss.. I was never really satisfied with using the 1.4X on my 1D IV.


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Jul 28, 2018 09:58 |  #21

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I hate threads like this! j/k.. now I've got 600 fever and have only Matthew to blame! :D

I'll take the blame, Sam :lol: You definitely owe it to yourself to at least try one out just to see if it's feasible. I used my Canon CPS membership to get the loaner, and I think it's money well spent so far.

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I choose to get the 1D X2 before a big white. Right decision? I'm not really sure.... but I sure love the 1D X2. Best camera I've ever had in my hands.

I do notice, the 1.4X iii works so well with it, I hardly know it's there. Very little detail loss.. I was never really satisfied with using the 1.4X on my 1D IV.

Kim, the 1DX II is extraordinary. The more I use it, the more I'm loving it. And that 16FPS sound is addicting, my 5D4 is so glacial feeling in comparison haha

I'd add the 1DX II to my bag without question, but in this case I have to go with the 600 for what I'm shooting: small birds, mostly perched. The 5D4 is more than up to the task. Now, if I was a BIF photographer the 1DX II would be chosen over the 600, for sure. Someday though, I'll add a 1-series to my bag.

I'll definitely be missing this combo after I have to return it next week :cry:


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Jul 28, 2018 10:14 |  #22

I keep thinking about the 1DX II every day. I sold the last kid for gear so maybe the wife may be next :-)


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Jul 28, 2018 14:48 |  #23

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I'll take the blame, Sam :lol: You definitely owe it to yourself to at least try one out just to see if it's feasible. I used my Canon CPS membership to get the loaner, and I think it's money well spent so far.

Kim, the 1DX II is extraordinary. The more I use it, the more I'm loving it. And that 16FPS sound is addicting, my 5D4 is so glacial feeling in comparison haha

I'd add the 1DX II to my bag without question, but in this case I have to go with the 600 for what I'm shooting: small birds, mostly perched. The 5D4 is more than up to the task. Now, if I was a BIF photographer the 1DX II would be chosen over the 600, for sure. Someday though, I'll add a 1-series to my bag.

I'll definitely be missing this combo after I have to return it next week :cry:

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With a limited budget... the choices are difficult. I tend to shoot the larger wading birds here in Florida... so I can usually get close enough with the 100-400ii. Not that I wouldn't love a Big White... truth be told, I think the 200-400 w/1.4X would be my choice... f/4 is very appealing.. and a zoom works best around here, for what I shoot. If I were going for the small birds as you do, the 500 or 600 would be preferable.

I can't believe the reduction in digital noise with the 1DX2. I haven't used the 5DIV..... from what you've said and many others... it's amazing.


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Jul 29, 2018 09:48 |  #24

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With a limited budget... the choices are difficult. I tend to shoot the larger wading birds here in Florida... so I can usually get close enough with the 100-400ii. Not that I wouldn't love a Big White... truth be told, I think the 200-400 w/1.4X would be my choice... f/4 is very appealing.. and a zoom works best around here, for what I shoot. If I were going for the small birds as you do, the 500 or 600 would be preferable.

I can't believe the reduction in digital noise with the 1DX2. I haven't used the 5DIV..... from what you've said and many others... it's amazing.

It’s taken me a few years to build up enough equity to be able to afford a Great White; another few years maybe I’ll be able to maybe add a 1-series body, here’s hoping :)

As you stated, Florida has its own unique shooting environments, and I’m with you on the idea of the 200-400. That zoom versatility would be key, and the light down there is brilliant enough to where shooting at f/5.6 or f/8 shouldn't be too limiting, right? During my brief visit there last summer I used my 100-400 a ton, it was the perfect lens, and I never felt limited.


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Jul 29, 2018 10:12 |  #25

So I got some more time out in the woods this morning with the 600 on my 5D4. I'm loving the 600mm on FF, the field of view is perfect, and the best part is that I don't have to use TC's to get there. While I don't want to limit myself on reach in anyway, I'm starting to think that were I to upgrade to the 600 I wouldn't be needing my 80D as much anymore. That's something I won't know until I own the lens for longer and get a feel for the distances.

Definitely feeling it in the shoulder a little bit more after my outing... found myself shifting the strap (Peak Designs Slide) around more to distribute load, so the extra 1.62lbs is noticeable, yet more than manageable. Time to increase my reps in the gym.


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I can't believe the reduction in digital noise with the 1DX2. I haven't used the 5DIV..... from what you've said and many others... it's amazing.

I shot this owl at 12,800 ISO with my 5D4 at twilight. As you can see, the 5D4 does an amazing job at suppressing high ISO noise.

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I shot this owl at 12,800 ISO with my 5D4 at twilight. As you can see, the 5D4 does an amazing job at suppressing high ISO noise.

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The 5D4 sensor is so good when it comes to ISO performance and ability to clean up the noise. It's definitely the strongest facet of this camera, IMO.


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Jul 29, 2018 10:31 |  #28

Found this nice write up comparing the 500 II to the 600 II: https://www.the-digital-picture.com …News-Post.aspx?News=20151 (external link)


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5D4 at 32,000. I just let DPP do it's thing. How does the 7D2 compare noise-wise to you.


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I shot this owl at 12,800 ISO with my 5D4 at twilight. As you can see, the 5D4 does an amazing job at suppressing high ISO noise.

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I had already "liked" your owl photograph. ;)

I get similar results with my 1DX2.... Canon has really stepped up their game, at least, from this man's perspective. There may be better systems out there, but for what I shoot, I'm very pleased with what Canon has done this last time around with their camera bodies.


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