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Jul 26, 2018 23:42 |  #7261

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Again if you read my objection was with the excuses.

See, this is what I don't understand. You're still saying "excuses." That word doesn't fit the circumstances. An excuse is a made-up reason that isn't the real reason, like "The dog ate my homework." An excuse is intended to fool the listener. The issuer of an excuse doesn't believe that it was the real reason but hopes the listener will. So making an excuse is dishonest. That's why it's insulting to keep saying Kellyrae made excuses.

And where are the excuses? I mean, what are you referring to? The picture is blurry. K'rae says it's blurry because it was taken in darkness with a small camera and she couldn't get close without freaking the subjects. Are those excuses? They sure sound like real reasons to me. Or where she says the Tenderloin is a dangerous area, is that what you're calling an excuse? What would it be an excuse for? For not taking a big expensive camera there? No, it'd be a good reason for that. Or is being female a mere excuse for avoiding tough neighborhoods? Maybe it's a good reason to avoid them. If it's an excuse, what's the hidden real reason that it covers for?

Even though I don't think it is working by itself it could work in a body of work.

This is the nicest thing you've said yet. Apart from it, you have a hell of a way of welcoming a new member.


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Jul 27, 2018 07:45 |  #7262

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I replied to that aspect. This whole boils down to you being a snob about all of this. Telling people to find other types of photography because they're not cut out for it is beyond snobbish and rude. And to be fair, she said she was waiting for your photo and you still haven't posted one. You cited a ton of people, but for someone like you who isn't fearful I'm sure you have plenty of nighttime photos from sketchy neighborhoods just waiting to be posted.

WOW now it is reduced to personal attacks and name calling....

BTW do you even bother to read before you post? It wasn't me that she asked to see a photo from. She was responding to someone else.




  
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Jul 27, 2018 08:23 |  #7263

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See, this is what I don't understand. You're still saying "excuses." That word doesn't fit the circumstances. An excuse is a made-up reason that isn't the real reason, like "The dog ate my homework." An excuse is intended to fool the listener. The issuer of an excuse doesn't believe that it was the real reason but hopes the listener will. So making an excuse is dishonest. That's why it's insulting to keep saying Kellyrae made excuses.

And where are the excuses? I mean, what are you referring to? The picture is blurry. K'rae says it's blurry because it was taken in darkness with a small camera and she couldn't get close without freaking the subjects. Are those excuses? They sure sound like real reasons to me. Or where she says the Tenderloin is a dangerous area, is that what you're calling an excuse? What would it be an excuse for? For not taking a big expensive camera there? No, it'd be a good reason for that. Or is being female a mere excuse for avoiding tough neighborhoods? Maybe it's a good reason to avoid them. If it's an excuse, what's the hidden real reason that it covers for?

This is the nicest thing you've said yet. Apart from it, you have a hell of a way of welcoming a new member.

This is why there is very little discussions of photographs on this forum lately. I listed a bunch of females that did not use gender or size to keep them from photographing and making incredible images in bad areas.

I will entertain PMs but I think Kellyrae and I are cool. None of my posts were personal. I said that one of her photographs didn't do it for me and I clearly stated a few reasons why that photograph didn't work for me that I think are valid. That doesn't mean I dislike her or don't like other photographs that she has posted or think that she shouldn't do whatever she wants to do. I even think if this were part of a body work it could work and I stated that a couple of times.

I do think when someone calls you on the image and you say that it was a bad area and are implying that is what it is because of that then maybe you should think of doing other types of work or approach things so nothing is keeping you from getting what you need to get. Otherwise some parts of your work could wind up being an excuse.
PM me if you want to discuss this further otherwise I am out.....

Kellyrae as you know none of this was personal. You never responded to me as if it were. If I get to San Fran I will take you up on your offer and if you ever in my area drop a line and my offer stands.




  
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Jul 28, 2018 08:01 |  #7264

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Come to San Francisco, and I will buy you a drink~

I will be in San Francisco in April 2019, love to meet a petite woman in the Tenderloin ..... oh wait, my wife will be with me, scratch that, off to Pier 39 instead for some chowder.

For what it is worth, I thought your pic conveyed exactly what it portrayed, whether or not it was technically great. Keep on posting Kellyrae, and debating too!


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Jul 28, 2018 10:21 as a reply to  @ GibJock's post |  #7265

hahaha! No worries, I am the newfangled monk of San Francisco.


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Jul 28, 2018 10:28 |  #7266

HOlga fun holga fun holga fun! San Francisco street photography random folks


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Jul 29, 2018 15:26 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #7267

for me, as an observer of a photo, doesn't matter how the photographer shot it or if he - she was hanging from a rock with one hand or if there was a whole gang after him ...
I see a photo and I look if it works or not for me ....
we as photographers, learn from our mistakes and I'd love that there will be someone to tell me why my photos do not work
with that in my mind, maybe next time my photo will be better ..
sorry for my bad English ..


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Jul 30, 2018 16:58 as a reply to  @ vkouvalis's post |  #7270

I agree with your point, but sometimes shooting conditions suck, and sometimes on the street a situation comes up where you have about one second to shoot it, and if it is poignant, dammit, I am going to take the damn picture, for if I don't, I am going to feel more sorry for not taking it later on no matter how the image looks. Sometimes it is not about the image-it is about what the image is stating, and I feel a hooker in black and a hooker in white meeting together to share a moment of tenderness is an important image to catch in that split second. A saint and a sinner who meets in a second of tenderness goes beyond good and evil. It changes the world for the better, for we transcend good and evil through our humaness in knowing we are sharing an experience of being human, and we are all in the crap pile just trying to get through this world... That was my thought at the moment.

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Jul 30, 2018 18:02 as a reply to  @ Kellyrae's post |  #7271

I personally have one rule. If I need to explain any of my photo in too much detail, I most probably failed capturing it.

Photo should speak for itself , sometimes context doesn't have to be perfectly clear and that' s ok, but I try avoid any explanations.

Blurred and heavily cropped pictures are OK, if there is anything to catch viewer attention. It must be at least somehow visually interesting at first sight.


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Jul 30, 2018 22:50 as a reply to  @ palad1n's post |  #7272

Maybe you just fail to reflect deeply enough on the images. I was sharing an experience with you. I am sorry you missed it.


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Jul 30, 2018 23:10 |  #7273

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Maybe you just fail to reflect deeply enough on the images. I was sharing an experience with you. I am sorry you missed it.

I understood palad1n's comment to mean that he has different goals for his photography than you do for yours. Not a putdown.

I think your two-hookers image invites extremely subjective interpretations, more than most images do. It leaves room for a wide variety of reactions, and one reason is that it's visually vague (poor lighting, etc.), which ordinarily would be a defect, but not this time. The effect of blur in this case is a kind of openness, an indeterminacy. People will get out of the picture what they put into it, and people are diverse.


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Jul 30, 2018 23:20 as a reply to  @ OhLook's post |  #7274

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Jul 31, 2018 03:21 as a reply to  @ Kellyrae's post |  #7275

I was trying to explain that viewers usually needs to be engaged by visuals, composition, context, lighting and visible story elements in our photos first without any further necessary "behind the scene" explanations. If our pictures or the message behind them are strong enough to overcome any imperfections, that' s fine and happens all the time, but you can' t expect people like pictures, where subjects or place is barely recognizable. I don' t take anything regarding photography personally, neither should you.

Our pictures are deeply connected to our memories and emotions, which can be very misleading sometimes.


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