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Newbie trying to come up with a few main lenses for a Canon 6D for everyday use?

 
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Jul 31, 2018 10:01 |  #1

I recently just got a Canon 6D, its primary purpose is for Astrophotography, milky way shots and attached to a scope for galaxy/nebulae (i have a 50mm 1.8 and a 14mm 2.8 rokino for the wide landscape milkway shots)..

I'm now just trying to figure out about 3 primary lenses to get that would cover most daily life events (on a small budget though, say an avg of $150 per lens max).. nothing we do in this area will be Pro/Commercial grade, so anything better than our s8 camera ability is a step up for the most part, hopefully with some zoom for kids sporting events (track, baseball etc) and indoors like birthdays with lower light at times.

I've come up with 3 choices as of now, perhaps there is another.. most of the time it will be my wife using this, so we will both have a learning curve, the easier the better, the less swapping lenses the better..

EF 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 stm $300

EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM cheaper

EF 24-85 cheaper

Does the 24-105 blow away the 28-135 in some way that would be obvious to a casual photo taker?

One or two above plus
70-300 non IS (astro use and steady long range pics of kids events) $98?


Its my general understanding that roughly on a smartphone the focal length for those 16:9 shots are in the 30-38 mm range, so i think any of this has us covered.. i can probably use the 14mm lens for family group shots if the f2.8 is adequate.

From what i read a fixed f2.8 or f4 is always better than say the f/3.5-5.6 for lighting? But much more costly.

I'm thinking maybe the 24-105 covers us for most events even wide angle.. maybe the best bet? I was thinking the 70-300 would do well for both areas assuming we are steady..

Any thoughts.. am i close on the thinking here.. The goal to have say one attached to the camera and 2 in the bag at most for 99% of the time.
I guess there is also a 17-40 but thats out of the price bracket and maybe not enough zoom.

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Jul 31, 2018 10:17 |  #2

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674334 (external link)
I'm thinking maybe the 24-105 covers us for most events even wide angle.. maybe the best bet?

I recently bought the 24-105 lens (but not the stm version). I used it for an event, indoors and out. The range was perfect
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Jul 31, 2018 10:31 |  #3

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #18674341 (external link)
I recently bought the 24-105 lens (but not the stm version). I used it for an event, indoors and out. The range was perfect
for my needs.

Ah thats good to know.. maybe a one lens good for most things deal.. do you think for baseball events (little league) sitting in the outfield bleachers and getting some zoom on the batter there is enough zoom at 105 though? I guess the 70-300 cheaper lens could always be on hand.


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Jul 31, 2018 10:31 |  #4

I have a 6D and I have the 24-105 L .........I like this one very much. Great range versatility and excellent picture quality.

I've never used the 24-105 STM so I can't be of much help to you in that regard.


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Jul 31, 2018 10:32 |  #5

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674349 (external link)
Ah thats good to know.. maybe a one lens good for most things deal.. do you think for baseball events (little league) sitting in the outfield bleachers and getting some zoom on the batter there is enough zoom at 105 though? I guess the 70-300 cheaper lens could always be on hand.

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Jul 31, 2018 10:32 |  #6

saea501 wrote in post #18674350 (external link)
I have a 6D and I have the 24-105 L .........I like this one very much. Great range versatility and excellent picture quality.

I've never used the 24-105 STM so I can't be of much help to you in that regard.

Thank you for the reply..

My other concern was on weight.. i've read many prefer even the 24-85 due to shorter/lighter size vs the 24-105, but maybe its not that different.


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Jul 31, 2018 10:49 |  #7

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674349 (external link)
Ah thats good to know.. maybe a one lens good for most things deal.. do you think for baseball events (little league) sitting in the outfield bleachers and getting some zoom on the batter there is enough zoom at 105 though? I guess the 70-300 cheaper lens could always be on hand.

I didn't think Little League fields had outfield bleachers. In any case, even though little league diamonds are smaller and the outfield's are smaller, the 105 mm will not cut it. Definitely a job for the 70- 300mm. Even that lens on a FF body, depending on your distance from home plate and your framing expectations, may struggle a bit and might require a lot of cropping.


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Jul 31, 2018 10:57 |  #8

mwsilver wrote in post #18674364 (external link)
I didn't think Little League fields had outfield bleachers. In any case, even though little league diamonds are smaller and the outfield's are smaller, the 105 mm will not cut it. Definitely a job for the 70- 300mm. Even that lens on a FF body, depending on your distance from home plate and your framing expectations, may struggle a bit and might require a lot of cropping.

Ours does haha :D

thanks for clarification..

I've read that many 70-300mm lenses are just not good, unless a newer crop from Canon (which are i think $550 used, a bit out of bracket for now) vs the 70-300 older one i spotted for $98 and older will have sharpness issues at longer zoom.. is that accurate?

I've seen other suggestions to go with say a 28-75mm f2.8 tamron lens ($150?) as maybe an everyday lens and maybe get a 70-200mm f2.8 as the other and longer reach? fixed f2.8 being a factor, but is that good for action..

edit:

So now i'm changing my original thinking..

maybe just these 2:

Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 for sports/long range (though it might be $399?) though here is an 80-200 f2.8 at $384 https://www.ebay.com …from=R40&rt=nc&​_dcat=3323 (external link)

and
Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 for around $76 here https://www.keh.com …or-canon-ef-mount-67.html (external link)


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Jul 31, 2018 11:39 |  #9

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674370 (external link)
Ours does haha :D

thanks for clarification..

I've read that many 70-300mm lenses are just not good, unless a newer crop from Canon (which are i think $550 used, a bit out of bracket for now) vs the 70-300 older one i spotted for $98 and older will have sharpness issues at longer zoom.. is that accurate?

I've seen other suggestions to go with say a 28-75mm f2.8 tamron lens ($150?) as maybe an everyday lens and maybe get a 70-200mm f2.8 as the other and longer reach? fixed f2.8 being a factor, but is that good for action..

edit:

So now i'm changing my original thinking..

maybe just these 2:

Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 for sports/long range (though it might be $399?) though here is an 80-200 f2.8 at $384 https://www.ebay.com …from=R40&rt=nc&​_dcat=3323 (external link)

and
Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 for around $76 here https://www.keh.com …or-canon-ef-mount-67.html (external link)

Good lenses are not cheap, even for used ones. At the budget you mention compromises in image quality will likely be required. Consider using your current budget to buy one decent used lens instead of 3 mediocre ones.


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Jul 31, 2018 12:29 |  #10

mwsilver wrote in post #18674408 (external link)
Good lenses are not cheap, even for used ones. At the budget you mention compromises in image quality will likely be required. Consider using your current budget to buy one decent used lens instead of 3 mediocre ones.

What of these two choices though, above.. the sigma 70-200 f2.8 (or even an f/4 canon) and tamron 28-75mm f2.8 .. both are fixed aperature combined about $480..

Wouldnt they make more sense than say the 24-105 STM or even the USM f/3.5-5.6 (not enough reach too)

I guess if i had $450 to spend, it seemed the better choice or maybe others.

Goal still being to have one primary and one zoom/tele, primary being maybe a little wider than that of our old s8 smartphones (hence the 28 or even 24).. i do have that 14mm f2.8 as well.

edit: i think the sigma f2.8 70-200 in good condition is more like $500, so its a bit out of my range


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Jul 31, 2018 14:14 |  #11

I agree with the assessment that your budget is way too low for 3 lenses. If you spend all $450 of it on one lens, get the 24-105 STM. It is sharper across the frame, at any aperture and/or focal length than the 24-105L. It has a bit less distortion at the wide end, and better Image Stabilization. It is also designed for video, which the 6D does quite nicely. The 24-105L is better weather-protected, and faster (aperture) over most of its range. The STM is also smaller and lighter than the L.

Lenses matter more than what camera you mount them on. Buy the best glass you can afford. Even if you have to do it one lens at a time. You wallet will thank you. I've been doing this long enough to know that every "it'll do" lens you buy now will be replaced later, at some expense, with the lens you should have bought the first time. Been there; done that. I think most of us have.




  
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Jul 31, 2018 14:51 |  #12

Bassat wrote in post #18674485 (external link)
I agree with the assessment that your budget is way too low for 3 lenses. If you spend all $450 of it on one lens, get the 24-105 STM. It is sharper across the frame, at any aperture and/or focal length than the 24-105L. It has a bit less distortion at the wide end, and better Image Stabilization. It is also designed for video, which the 6D does quite nicely. The 24-105L is better weather-protected, and faster (aperture) over most of its range. The STM is also smaller and lighter than the L.

Lenses matter more than what camera you mount them on. Buy the best glass you can afford. Even if you have to do it one lens at a time. You wallet will thank you. I've been doing this long enough to know that every "it'll do" lens you buy now will be replaced later, at some expense, with the lens you should have bought the first time. Been there; done that. I think most of us have.

Well i found a decent price of $225 on the Tamron 28-75 f2.8.. i figured for moving kids and lower indoor light it made the most sense, even over the 24-105 STM would it not? (I guess there is tinkering with shutter speeds, but that aside). Worst case i try the 28-75 for awhile then maybe try the 24-105 if i get a decent price, and or the 70-200 2.8's.


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Jul 31, 2018 14:54 as a reply to  @ theskyisthelimit99's post |  #13

That depends on you and your preferences. I don't believe most f/2.8 zooms are worth the cost. If I need aperture, I mount a prime.




  
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Jul 31, 2018 15:15 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #14

Well.. now that i have coming the 28-75 f2.8, already have the canon 50mm f1.8, a rikon 14mm f2.8.. will i be happy enough for a wide shot to just put on the 14mm when doing maybe a group photo.. vs leaving the 28-75 in play 95% of the time? Or should i also eventually seek another tele on the low/wide end?


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Jul 31, 2018 17:00 |  #15

If you really want to do a lot of shooting of little league or other sports, get a version I of the 100-400L and you will be covered from wherever you sit at the field. Little league fields' outfield fences are 200 ft from home plate and if you want to shoot the batters from the bleachers anything less than 300mm just won't cut it from there, especially on a full frame. It's great with lots of light, but if it gets cloudy, your 6D's low light/high ISO capabilities can handle it no problem.


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