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Newbie trying to come up with a few main lenses for a Canon 6D for everyday use?

 
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Jul 31, 2018 20:24 |  #16

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If you really want to do a lot of shooting of little league or other sports, get a version I of the 100-400L and you will be covered from wherever you sit at the field. Little league fields' outfield fences are 200 ft from home plate and if you want to shoot the batters from the bleachers anything less than 300mm just won't cut it from there, especially on a full frame. It's great with lots of light, but if it gets cloudy, your 6D's low light/high ISO capabilities can handle it no problem.

Ill check into that one.. i assume its like f3.5-5.6 or similar, not a constant 2.8.. maybe not great for night games... i dont like the 100 end of the spectrum on that so much, feels too tight in spec anyway.

How about the new Tamron 18-400.. i've watched a few reviews for it and it sounds tantalizing and not super expensive though again not a 2.8
https://www.amazon.com …words=tamron+18​-400+canon (external link)


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Jul 31, 2018 21:25 as a reply to  @ theskyisthelimit99's post |  #17

It's 4.5-5.6. But don't be afraid to push the ISO on that 6D at night games! During daylight it really shines. It would make a nice birding lens, too if you have interest. I use it a lot for that, too.
For what used copies are selling for these days, it's tough to beat.
When you start looking for tele zooms at 2.8, you start talking about spending some money. 99% of my shooting at my daughters' softball games is with the 100-400L and the 70-200 f4L non IS.


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Aug 01, 2018 05:14 |  #18

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674766 (external link)
Ill check into that one.. i assume its like f3.5-5.6 or similar, not a constant 2.8.. maybe not great for night games... i dont like the 100 end of the spectrum on that so much, feels too tight in spec anyway.

How about the new Tamron 18-400.. i've watched a few reviews for it and it sounds tantalizing and not super expensive though again not a 2.8
https://www.amazon.com …words=tamron+18​-400+canon (external link)

A 100-400 2.8 would cost $20,000 - $30,000.

That Tamron 18-400 is made for crop, (or APS-C) cameras. APS-C is in the description.

Tamron 18-400mm F/3.5-6.3 DI-II VC HLD All-In-One Zoom For Canon APS-C Digital SLR Cameras

For Tamron lenses, 'Di-II' is their designation for crop lenses.
For Canon it is EF-S.
For Sigma it is DC.

Tamron and Sigma crop lenses will mount on your 6D. Canon EF-S need modification to be able to mount.
It's only a few rare cases where using a crop lens on a full frame is worthwhile.


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Aug 01, 2018 09:36 |  #19

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A 100-400 2.8 would cost $20,000 - $30,000.

That Tamron 18-400 is made for crop, (or APS-C) cameras. APS-C is in the description.

Tamron 18-400mm F/3.5-6.3 DI-II VC HLD All-In-One Zoom For Canon APS-C Digital SLR Cameras

For Tamron lenses, 'Di-II' is their designation for crop lenses.
For Canon it is EF-S.
For Sigma it is DC.

Tamron and Sigma crop lenses will mount on your 6D. Canon EF-S need modification to be able to mount.
It's only a few rare cases where using a crop lens on a full frame is worthwhile.

Yep i made a mistake on the link..

This is the EF one here (edit no)
https://www.amazon.com …ds=tamron+18-400+canon+ef (external link)

And yeah with the 6D I guess i just increase the iso if need be depending on lighting conditions, but from the few reviews i read/watched it looks solid enough, especially if i can find one used.. apparently you can still get the whole blurred background effect on action shots, depending though... later on i can shell out for a 2.8 version.. i figure this might make a good all in one solution, though i still have the tamron 18-75 coming (f2.8)

edit: i think that was misleading.. it had ef in the title but seems there isnt an EF version.. thats a pitty.. bhphoto has a similar title too

Any other good midrange alternatives in the 400mm tele range but wide on the other end too? ($400 used etc) Seeing a sigma 18-300, but not 400 thus far

Im kicking myself a bit, last night i had basically won an auction for an ef canon usm IS 70-300 f/3.5-5.6 etc (non L) lens for $150 (normally $300 used i think), i cancelled right away thinking this was the better bet.


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Aug 01, 2018 09:55 |  #20

wyntastr wrote in post #18674785 (external link)
It's 4.5-5.6. But don't be afraid to push the ISO on that 6D at night games! During daylight it really shines. It would make a nice birding lens, too if you have interest. I use it a lot for that, too.
For what used copies are selling for these days, it's tough to beat.
When you start looking for tele zooms at 2.8, you start talking about spending some money. 99% of my shooting at my daughters' softball games is with the 100-400L and the 70-200 f4L non IS.

Yeah it appears that the listings i saw for that tamron were false, title had EF but there is no ef.. it can fit on the ef, but very bad vignetting at high power.

Search goes on. EDIT: maybe a sigma 18-300 but i'm not positive its EF

Im hesitant on 70-300's and 100-400s due to the narrower lower end.. i feel like that means ill be swapping lenses to get wider shots here and there frequently.. That tamron 18-400 was a nice thought.


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Aug 01, 2018 11:33 as a reply to  @ theskyisthelimit99's post |  #21

I discovered the A010 Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Di VC Pzd for EF
found for around $400.. i guess could be a suitable option for now.. one reviewer says he compared to the L 24-105 shot for shot and liked it just as much, slightly worse if pixel peek but not bad at all and another said it worked well for night christmas shooting too, interestingly (i'm sure with some iso tweaking)

I dont see a comparable ef sigma or another that is at least 28-400 on each end.

**also is there a site somewhere that lets you pick the wide and tele end in a picklist to show which options exist out there.. i feel like i'm manually entering numbers poking and hoping.. i only happened upon the 28-300 for instance.. would be nice to have a customizable search option somewhere


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Aug 01, 2018 11:41 |  #22

A good thing to do is to look up the lens quality of ones you propose to buy and compare.

Here:

The digital picture (external link)

so for example, I looked up one mentioned, and compared it to what I know to be a decent quality 70-300mm lens.

looks like the 28-300mm tamron is pretty decent, be interesting to know how well the AF works with it.

One Comparison. (external link)

the list is pretty decent, so you may find a gem or two in the list to look for.


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Aug 01, 2018 12:28 as a reply to  @ ksbal's post |  #23

Thats a pretty good picklist/comparison site..

There is also the Tamron A010E which is made in japan and has sharper better optics as an alternative to the regular a010

Edit: i also see there are EF 1.4 or 2x extenders.. do those work well but maybe not with this tamron 28-300? Maybe better fit with a canon xx-200 series? I guess required is canon, so thats about $800 for a canon 70-200 L series in any case + cost of extender, a bit out of reach as well. (although some 70-200's L f/4's have sold for around $400 in the past)


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Aug 01, 2018 15:52 |  #24

theskyisthelimit99 wrote in post #18674766 (external link)
Ill check into that one.. i assume its like f3.5-5.6 or similar, not a constant 2.8.. maybe not great for night games... i dont like the 100 end of the spectrum on that so much, feels too tight in spec anyway.

How about the new Tamron 18-400.. i've watched a few reviews for it and it sounds tantalizing and not super expensive though again not a 2.8
https://www.amazon.com …words=tamron+18​-400+canon (external link)

First, the 18-400mm lens will not work well on your 6D. It was designed for APS-C crop sensors. Second, if you're not happy with the 100-400 you sure won't like the 18-400. The 100-400 is in a totally different league. If you want sharp as a pin shots at 400mm get the 100-400. If you don't care about sharpness get the 18-400.


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Aug 01, 2018 16:06 |  #25

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First, the 18-400mm lens will not work well on your 6D. It was designed for APS-C crop sensors. Second, if you're not happy with the 100-400 you sure won't like the 18-400. The 100-400 is in a totally different league. If you want sharp as a pin shots at 400mm get the 100-400. If you don't care about sharpness get the 18-400.

yeah I saw the apc notation, it was misleading on several vendors.

I found a japanese version Tamron A010E online for about $440 which I snagged 28-300.. i think for what i'm doing it should work out well enough.. maybe not quite the reach of a 400 though, but possibly able to leave it on in most sight seeing situations instead of swapping lenses, short of a wide 14mm etc.. possibly


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Aug 01, 2018 16:12 |  #26

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Yep i made a mistake on the link..

This is the EF one here (edit no)
https://www.amazon.com …ds=tamron+18-400+canon+ef (external link)

And yeah with the 6D I guess i just increase the iso if need be depending on lighting conditions, but from the few reviews i read/watched it looks solid enough, especially if i can find one used.. apparently you can still get the whole blurred background effect on action shots, depending though... later on i can shell out for a 2.8 version.. i figure this might make a good all in one solution, though i still have the tamron 18-75 coming (f2.8)

edit: i think that was misleading.. it had ef in the title but seems there isnt an EF version.. thats a pitty.. bhphoto has a similar title too

Any other good midrange alternatives in the 400mm tele range but wide on the other end too? ($400 used etc) Seeing a sigma 18-300, but not 400 thus far

Im kicking myself a bit, last night i had basically won an auction for an ef canon usm IS 70-300 f/3.5-5.6 etc (non L) lens for $150 (normally $300 used i think), i cancelled right away thinking this was the better bet.

I think you misunderstood your link. Yes it said its for a Canon EF mount, but... it is not designed for, or appropriate for, Canon full frame bodies like yours. The Sigma 18-300 you mention is also designed for APS-C crop sensors, not for your camera. Almost any lens you see that goes from wide angle to long telephoto is designed for crop cameras only, not for your full frame. Based on this conversation I'm starting to wonder why you were intent on getting a full frame camera in the first place. And in general the lenses that you are looking at and can afford will compromise the images you will get from it. If you want a wide focal range one lens solution suitable for your camera the choices are few. Canon makes the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM lens which is excellent, but it weighs 3.67lbs and costs $2500.


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Aug 01, 2018 16:23 |  #27

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I think you misunderstood your link. Yes it said its for a Canon EF mount, but... it is not designed for, or appropriate for, Canon full frame bodies like yours. The Sigma 18-300 you mention is also designed for APS-C crop sensors, not for your camera. Almost any lens you see that goes from wide angle to long telephoto is designed for crop cameras only, not for your full frame. Based on this conversation I'm starting to wonder why you were intent on getting a full frame camera in the first place. And in general the lenses that you are looking at and can afford will compromise the images you will get from it. If you want a wide focal range one lens solution suitable for your camera the choices are few. Canon makes the EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM lens which is excellent, but it weighs 3.67lbs and costs $2500.

I didnt end up ordering that one.. i ended up getting this one which is comparable to the expensive canon, maybe not 1 to 1 but several actual review sites gave it good props.. it is for EF:
https://www.amazon.com …words=tamron+28​-300+canon (external link) (japanese, reportedly better quality/sharper)
https://www.amazon.com …Lens+for+Canon+​EF+Cameras (external link) (standard one)

My main drive for full frame was for use for astrophotography, less noise. These lenses wouldnt be used for that purpose however, so i'm less concerned on quality control, so long as it is a step up from smartphone photos.


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Aug 01, 2018 16:29 |  #28

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I didnt end up ordering that one.. i ended up getting this one which is comparable to the expensive canon, maybe not 1 to 1 but several actual review sites gave it good props.. it is for EF:
https://www.amazon.com …words=tamron+28​-300+canon (external link) (japanese, reportedly better quality/sharper)
https://www.amazon.com …Lens+for+Canon+​EF+Cameras (external link) (standard one)

My main drive for full frame was for use for astrophotography, less noise. These lenses wouldnt be used for that purpose however, so i'm less concerned on quality control, so long as it is a step up from smartphone photos.

If you can find a good copy of the Tamron 28-300 it may meet you needs in the short run. Its not in the same league as the Canon version but its decent and certainly a whole lot less expensive.


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Aug 01, 2018 17:00 |  #29

For even more reach, there's always the 150-500 f/5-6.3 OS from Sigma, aka the Bigmos.
Or, the Bigma, 50-500 f/4-6.3 (no OS).
These can be found for pretty good prices used now that the 150-600 contemporary and sport models have been released.

edit: And an fyi, when looking for full frame lenses from Sigma, look for the DG designation.


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Aug 02, 2018 09:42 |  #30

wyntastr wrote in post #18675259 (external link)
For even more reach, there's always the 150-500 f/5-6.3 OS from Sigma, aka the Bigmos.
Or, the Bigma, 50-500 f/4-6.3 (no OS).
These can be found for pretty good prices used now that the 150-600 contemporary and sport models have been released.

edit: And an fyi, when looking for full frame lenses from Sigma, look for the DG designation.

Thanks ill keep that one in mind.. does that have any sort of stabilization though.. i guess if you keep still it should still take a decent shot?


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