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I've switched to Sony twice. Hated it. Now I'm thinking about doing it a third time.

 
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Aug 09, 2018 21:02 |  #181

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Aug 18, 2018 12:56 |  #182

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Given that this thread is still halfway alive, I might as well tell you guys what happened.

So I grabbed the A7III. I owned it for around a month. I couldn't hang. It's just too different. Despite its flaws, I think my heart and soul is with Canon. I ended up going back to the 5D Mark IV and I'm as happy as can be. I've been super productive with my photography lately too, which is a rarity. Just needed some inspiration!

I grabbed A7III & A7RIII and I couldn't justify switching over. I think Sony is almost there. If they can get ergonomic better (pinky hanging, button too close) and incorporate their newer EVF (5.6 million 240FPS) then it would really hard to complain.

Nikon FF mirrorless look more intriguing to me than Sony A7III right now for me. I'm sure they would get ergonomic down while offering mirrorless goodies.


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Aug 18, 2018 13:01 |  #183

tbdinh22 wrote in post #18686756 (external link)
I grabbed A7III & A7RIII and I couldn't justify switching over. I think Sony is almost there. If they can get ergonomic better (pinky hanging, button too close) and incorporate their newer EVF (5.6 million 240FPS) then it would really hard to complain.

Nikon FF mirrorless look more intriguing to me than Sony A7III right now for me. I'm sure they would get ergonomic down while offering mirrorless goodies.

I think your spoiled in the fact that you press the shutter button with your 5dmk4 and it takes the photo instantly with absolutly zero lag and you never have hunting issues whatsoever :)

Dont get me wrong I really like my Sony A7iii for my purposes. I still have this unbelievable confidence in getting exactly what I want with my 5dmk4.

I think Sony will lead the pack with the mirrorless world for a while. Nikon will need to have virtually identical feature set to the Sony to make heads turn. I think they may just do a "good" job on mk1 but Sony better watch out as Nikon starts to evolve in the mirrorless. Same goes for Canon FF mirrorless.


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Aug 18, 2018 14:33 |  #184

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Sony better watch out as Nikon starts to evolve in the mirrorless. Same goes for Canon FF mirrorless.

Sony can kill Nikon just by stop giving those nice sensors. Canon is still way behind in that regard. Unless Canon does what they did with 5dmk3 (by putting 1s AF in 5d series), it won't compare to Nikon or Sony. I hope I am wrong.


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Aug 18, 2018 14:50 |  #185
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bobbyz wrote in post #18686834 (external link)
Sony can kill Nikon just by stop giving those nice sensors. Canon is still way behind in that regard. Unless Canon does what they did with 5dmk3 (by putting 1s AF in 5d series), it won't compare to Nikon or Sony. I hope I am wrong.

I think Canon is going to put out a solid FF mirrorless that will come close to the a7iii but what I really think they are going to focus on is getting a jump on Sony and Nikon by getting an affordable medium format camera to the masses in the next few years. They were the first to put out an affordable, digital 35mm DSLR with the 5D and I fully expect them to be first to do the same with medium format. They reportedly have several massive megapixel sensors they have produced or have in production, those are going to go somewhere and we have already seen a very near MF quality sensor in the 50MP 5Ds. Now THAT is something that would greatly entice pros and enthusiasts to give up their DSLRs. Thats a huge jump in quality rather than just removing a mirror from a DSLR. If they can get an affordable mirrorless MF camera out in the next few years (and I think they will), game over. Sony and Nikon will be playing catch up for awhile.




  
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Aug 18, 2018 15:55 |  #186

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I think Canon is going to put out a solid FF mirrorless that will come close to the a7iii but what I really think they are going to focus on is getting a jump on Sony and Nikon by getting an affordable medium format camera to the masses in the next few years. They were the first to put out an affordable, digital 35mm DSLR with the 5D and I fully expect them to be first to do the same with medium format. They reportedly have several massive megapixel sensors they have produced or have in production, those are going to go somewhere and we have already seen a very near MF quality sensor in the 50MP 5Ds. Now THAT is something that would greatly entice pros and enthusiasts to give up their DSLRs. Thats a huge jump in quality rather than just removing a mirror from a DSLR. If they can get an affordable mirrorless MF camera out in the next few years (and I think they will), game over. Sony and Nikon will be playing catch up for awhile.

Sony has a 100mp medium format sensor in the market already....

Sony is already supplying medium format sensors for hasselblad, pentax, and fuji.

They could make a sony medium format body whenever they like as other companies have basically financed the r&d for them.


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Aug 18, 2018 16:34 |  #187

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686849 (external link)
I think Canon is going to put out a solid FF mirrorless that will come close to the a7iii but what I really think they are going to focus on is getting a jump on Sony and Nikon by getting an affordable medium format camera to the masses in the next few years. They were the first to put out an affordable, digital 35mm DSLR with the 5D and I fully expect them to be first to do the same with medium format. They reportedly have several massive megapixel sensors they have produced or have in production, those are going to go somewhere and we have already seen a very near MF quality sensor in the 50MP 5Ds. Now THAT is something that would greatly entice pros and enthusiasts to give up their DSLRs. Thats a huge jump in quality rather than just removing a mirror from a DSLR. If they can get an affordable mirrorless MF camera out in the next few years (and I think they will), game over. Sony and Nikon will be playing catch up for awhile.

You forgot that Fuji already did that with GFX. :p Yup yup 5ds is just like GFX. And that 85L is just like 110mm f2. I must know a little as I have all those. And you forgot who makes sensors for the cropped medium format like my GFX, or the Hasselblad/Pentax and the full frame MF, for the so called Phase One cameras, it is Sony.:) And Sony will be releasing 150 or even the 200MP for PhaseOne next yr.


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Aug 18, 2018 16:53 |  #188
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Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686849 (external link)
I think Canon is going to put out a solid FF mirrorless that will come close to the a7iii but what I really think they are going to focus on is getting a jump on Sony and Nikon by getting an affordable medium format camera to the masses in the next few years. They were the first to put out an affordable, digital 35mm DSLR with the 5D and I fully expect them to be first to do the same with medium format. They reportedly have several massive megapixel sensors they have produced or have in production, those are going to go somewhere and we have already seen a very near MF quality sensor in the 50MP 5Ds. Now THAT is something that would greatly entice pros and enthusiasts to give up their DSLRs. Thats a huge jump in quality rather than just removing a mirror from a DSLR. If they can get an affordable mirrorless MF camera out in the next few years (and I think they will), game over. Sony and Nikon will be playing catch up for awhile.

I think you are dreaming if the ultra conservative Canon is going to lead us into the medium format world. With the vast majority of images being viewed through digital devices...who out there is crying for better images than what today's crop of cameras produce. My two sons got married recently and neither of them have a photo from their wedding hanging on a wall...they just view a slideshow on their TV's.

It would be a huge error on Canon's part to abandone their bread and butter ( Walmart, Best Buy, Costco ) counters and go towards medium format.




  
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What I can see happening is Sony releasing a medium format version of their RX1R2 camera that has the equivalent of a 35 1.8 lens and is very compact. There would be lineups for such a camera.




  
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Aug 18, 2018 17:04 |  #190

Supposedly Fuji is releasing a fixed lens version of GFX this or next yr.


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Aug 18, 2018 17:09 |  #191

tbdinh22 wrote in post #18686756 (external link)
I grabbed A7III & A7RIII and I couldn't justify switching over. I think Sony is almost there. If they can get ergonomic better (pinky hanging, button too close) and incorporate their newer EVF (5.6 million 240FPS) then it would really hard to complain.

Why not just buy a grip then?


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bobbyz wrote in post #18686903 (external link)
You forgot that Fuji already did that with GFX.

A $6k camera is not considered "affordable" by the vast majority of the population. I can see Canon putting one out in the $3500 range, just like they did with the 5D. The other FF digitals were all hovering around $6k and Canon dropped the 5D for $3299, the rest is history. They will do the same with MF.




  
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Hogloff wrote in post #18686917 (external link)
I think you are dreaming if the ultra conservative Canon is going to lead us into the medium format world.

They did just 13 years ago in the FF world with the 5D. How short a memory some have...

Hogloff wrote in post #18686917 (external link)
With the vast majority of images being viewed through digital devices...who out there is crying for better images than what today's crop of cameras produce.

Why are people crying for 4k video in every camera when no one has 4k capable devices and the vast majority of consumers dont have 4k monitors or TVs? Using that logic, 1080p should be sufficient for several more years..

Hogloff wrote in post #18686917 (external link)
It would be a huge error on Canon's part to abandone their bread and butter ( Walmart, Best Buy, Costco ) counters and go towards medium format.

Who says Canon will abandon anything? They are a big company that is fully capable of producing a MF camera or two alongside their other lines.




  
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Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686945 (external link)
They did just 13 years ago in the FF world with the 5D. How short a memory some have...

Why are people crying for 4k video in every camera when no one has 4k capable devices and the vast majority of consumers dont have 4k monitors or TVs? Using that logic, 1080p should be sufficient for several more years..

Who says Canon will abandon anything? They are a big company that is fully capable of producing a MF camera or two alongside their other lines.

Canon’s photography revenue has taken a huge dive in the last 5 years. Now you being the CEO of the company...would you really create a whole new system, ( sensors, cameras, lenses and accessories ) in a segment of your company whole revenues went down by almost 50% ?

Is that something you think the shareholders would back?

Good thing you are just a photographer and not running an organization... well I guess if you were running an organization, you woukdn’t be for long.




  
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Aug 18, 2018 19:30 |  #195

Mbell1975 wrote in post #18686937 (external link)
A $6k camera is not considered "affordable" by the vast majority of the population. I can see Canon putting one out in the $3500 range, just like they did with the 5D. The other FF digitals were all hovering around $6k and Canon dropped the 5D for $3299, the rest is history. They will do the same with MF.

Keep dreaming.:-D I will bet a Costco hotdog if Canon FF is same price as Sony A7RIII.


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