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Aug 20, 2018 17:04 |  #16

Well no one can argue that sonys eye af isnt much better than canons.. especially with apertures like 1.4 during head shots;-)a (theres a joke in there)

I had a 5d3 and 5d4.
The benefit with sony a7iii and eye af with portraits is never needing focus and recompose or toggle the joystick.. you just compose hit buttom then fire.

How ever especially for still subject portrairt, like senior photos , i wouldnt say its a deal breaker. THAT wouldnt be why i would say someone should choose sony over canon in this type of portrait shooting


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Aug 20, 2018 17:05 |  #17

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so really, the whole thread is not valid.

just sayin' :D

Methinks this falls under the classification of trolling. “I’m going to go into a Canon user forum and say, ‘my friend says Sony is better and he’s a professional photographer.’”

Everything in the original post is second hand information. It’s heresay. OP, have your friend post specifics of what limitations he’s found in his 5D3 and how the A73 overcame them, and then we’ll see a rational discussion.

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Aug 20, 2018 18:40 |  #18

If you look at my signature you can see I have some different tools.

If your shooting 1 subject in a portrait session the Sony eye focus works great. You have some breathing time to allow Sony eye focus to lock on and you can compose models.

If you have models that know how to pose your life is a simple dream with Sony. If you have a 5dmk3/4 that is perfectly tweaked "micro AF adjust" you should seriously have virtually almost identical keepers that are sharp. Sony just makes you brainless in how it locks on the eyes so you have a bit more time to compose the shot not worrying about having the eyes in focus.

I really never complain about my Canon not landing shots. I just don't have that many times I complain about back/front focus. Eyes seem to be tack sharp in majority of cases.

I will say Sony's eye focus is an absolute joke if you have more than 1 subject in the FOV. You can register people in "priority" but in real life fast paced photo shoots you should not use eye focus IMO. Allowing a camera to decide where you focus is a real bad idea.
However if you have a group of people and you are shooting f/8-f/14 you can shoot eye focus since you'll have the dof to cover every one in a sharp manner.

I'm describing common sense. If someone gets more keepers using Sony eye AF I can see this as true. If someone is having issues locking on sharp eyes with a 5dmk3 I question micro AF adjust/Lens calibration issues. This is where mirrorless just has little to no issues with back/front focus. 80% hit rate from a "Pro" really concerns me as I've never ever had such issues with my 5d3/5d4 ever. Something just isn't working right with the calibration combo of camera/lens.

Sony adapted to Canon glass is great but it all depends on application. I personally would not feel comfortable getting paid for a hired event shooting Sony A7iii with MC11 adapter w/ my Canon L glass. My 5dmk3/4 with native L glass would outperform AF but that should be no surprise.

Due to my casual nature using Sony and Fuji I will say my current setup works for me. If I'm just shooting portraits the Sony with adapted glass will work fine. Anything more challenging in AF I wouldn't touch adapted glass if serious keeper rate is concerned.

Most importantly is the render. Human subjects would look a bit different between Canon and Sony. Colour science between the two is quite drastic too. Colour science is an issue for me using Sony but I've just recently been able to change my ways and manipulate in post.

Portrait wise Canon has some artistic component to the file. Sony's images are simply real to life so if you want to make the image "calm" looking or processed easier on the eyes I feel it takes alot more effort with Sony.

If you analyze small aperture image from Canon in some cases check out Canon's "cartoon/canvas" smudgy render. Sony is realistic "real" with very little cartoon look. I find Fuji has the most "cartoon" effect shooting f/8 or smaller aperture in outdoor light in many cases if you uplift shadows shooting landscapes.


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Aug 20, 2018 21:17 |  #19

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Oh sorry- he shoots all seniors

As in the elderly?


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Aug 21, 2018 18:05 as a reply to  @ post 18688664 |  #20

Probably. I need to quit asking folks on here for advice. :-D


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Aug 21, 2018 18:10 as a reply to  @ chuckmiller's post |  #21

Sure-go with that. No High School Seniors.


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Aug 21, 2018 18:14 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #22

THANK YOU! Finally someone answers the question. And with an explanation. I am not trolling, nor am I on here asking any of you to opine on the other photographers work/camera use. I am simply asking, those of you who have both and/or have moved to sony from canon, if you have experienced this. AlanU, I agree-every time my shot was OOF it had to do with lens, camera shake or model movement with shallow DOF. Again, he is a die hard Canon user since he started in 2001; yet SOMETHING about the sony A73 has caused him to decide to go all in. He basically said that it was the eye AF. I have no experience in this, and was just wondering what other peoples experience has been.


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Aug 21, 2018 18:25 as a reply to  @ dmead516's post |  #23

So what was the answer you believe you found to address why this particular photographer was having issues with the 5D? I don't see it?


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Aug 21, 2018 18:41 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #24

No idea to be honest. Since I have been accused of trolling on here I have gone back to see if I can get more detail.


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Aug 21, 2018 19:30 as a reply to  @ dmead516's post |  #25

I just asked because you said somebody answered the question, but I still am unsure what the answer is.


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Aug 21, 2018 19:47 |  #26

I think it's a matter of perspective. When I first started photography, it was with manual focus film SLR. Back then, your focus aid was a focus prism in the center of the viewfinder (which actually was a good aid). When I moved to digital, it was with a 5D. At the time I found many things to like, but I did find its AF points limiting. For some tasks, I even preferred manual focus (so I got a 3rd party split prism screen for manual focus). When I upgraded to the 5D3, I was immediately struck by its improved AF system (and wasn't feeling hampered by its AF). I was already experienced with BBF and quickly adapted to the 5D3's interface for selecting points. I find the AF spread and interface on the 5D to be adequate for framing portraits or switching to AI-Servo for tracking shots. Since most of my tracking shots have been bicycle races, I've got my preferred tracking settings that give me a very high keeper rate. I take people's claims of focus accuracy with one or the other camera with a grain of salt, because it can differ depending on workflow. I get good accuracy with a Canon DSLR. Rantercsr mentioned Sony's eye tracking to be good for set it and forget it. Other potential advantages of sensor based focusing is AF spread that might go further out to the edges of the frame, and more AF points for tracking.


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Aug 21, 2018 19:51 |  #27

There are plenty of subjects which have no easily discernible eye for AF to track...then what? The AF camera is left with a 'what do I aim at to focus?' ambiguouity to resolve, so quick manual AF point choice methods become essential again.


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Aug 21, 2018 19:52 |  #28

dmead516 wrote in post #18689713 (external link)
THANK YOU! Finally someone answers the question. And with an explanation. I am not trolling, nor am I on here asking any of you to opine on the other photographers work/camera use. I am simply asking, those of you who have both and/or have moved to sony from canon, if you have experienced this. AlanU, I agree-every time my shot was OOF it had to do with lens, camera shake or model movement with shallow DOF. Again, he is a die hard Canon user since he started in 2001; yet SOMETHING about the sony A73 has caused him to decide to go all in. He basically said that it was the eye AF. I have no experience in this, and was just wondering what other peoples experience has been.

The A7iii and eye focus is a great tool when there is a single subject. You can make the model "work it....work it" and as you compose the shot you brainlessly allow the camera to keep tracking the eyes. You can really concentrate on body angles while you allow the camera AF to do all of the work (sharp eyes in focus).

Now analyze your friends images to your Canon. They render humans differently and you'll need to adjust your post processing work. YOU are use to canon "look" and you'll see that Sony has this crazy sharp image and extremely real to life look.

I will admit it took about 2mths of painfully learning Sony. Navigating the controls is just different but the files the camera produces are vivid and very different to Canon.

Car photos the Sony has the in your face "real" look and sometimes I found Fuji or Canon to make them look animated in certain lighting.

My point is Canon and Sony render in a different way. If you want the processed look fuji with film presets can have that post processed look. I call it "calm" looking. Sony SOOC has more of a RAW look that must be massaged in post. However in post you cannot always get that "calm" look you get with Fuji or Canon. I do find if you're not aggressive in filling the shadows Canon and Fuji does not look as canvas/cartoon looking. Sony on the otherhand would be extremely difficult to deviate from the "real to life" look.

I truly suggest testing Sony for yourself. It may not work with your preferences. I'll say I really dig the Sony look for automotive car events.


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Aug 21, 2018 20:58 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #29

Sorry- what I probably should have said is that he actually responded with what I thought was insight into this topic, and kind of what I was after in the beginning.


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Aug 21, 2018 20:59 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #30

Wilt-good point, and I am not familiar with the camera enough to understand if it is something that can be turned off and turned on, and when off it goes to a "normal" AF setting/system? Maybe someone else can tell us.


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