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Aug 21, 2018 10:22 |  #1

Tomorrow i'm going to do a test shooting at the beach with my Godox AD600 strobe and a 60cm (24") collapsible silver beautydish, hss & f1.4 lens, I see often this combination on youtube.
A grid was in the package, but I have never seen an outdoor modelshoot with grid attached on youtube tutorials, is a grid never used outdoor and why?
I know a grid is used in studio to give the light more direction.

I also have a bigger 120cm Octagon softbox + grid, but the 60cm average size seems to be better with possible wind on the beach, this would be too big :)


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Aug 21, 2018 18:08 |  #2

It depends on the concept of the lighting you wanna achieve.
Most tutorial never use grid because they wanna light the whole body or large area.




  
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Aug 22, 2018 04:45 |  #3

Thanks for the tip, i'll leave the grid at home as the rocks,etc ... need to be illumated too :)

I'm doubting to bring my 70-200 2.8LII lens or shoot only with the 50 1.4 Art & 85 1.4 Art.
Not because the zoom is heavy, but I doubt the bokeh advantage on the 200 at 2.8 vs 85 @ f1.4

And on the beach not everything is shot @ f1.4, mostly closeup portraits.
Shots with the sea + sky in the background only are not distracting to make an f1.4 bokeh, this can be shot at f8 for example for a sharper, more high definition look.

Matt Granger seems to prefer the 85mm
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=PNenHCDaLMI (external link)


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Aug 22, 2018 16:57 |  #4

A bit late.. my beach shots beauty dish and no grid. Takes too much light away from the shot outdoors for my taste.

My goto modifier for almost all my outdoor work is Elinchroms “Fire Ball” Maxi Light. Really can toss a lot of light a long way if needed. I’ve got grids for it too also don’t care for it much outdoors.

I do have a white and black grids for the beauty dish and black grid for the FireBall. Used A few times outdoors but depends on the design of the shoot.

Here’s a shot using 6 gridded strobes outside a while ago, around 5:00am.

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Aug 22, 2018 19:26 as a reply to  @ ImageMaker...'s post |  #5

Where is #6?? I see two backlights, one FB, one square, and one BD..




  
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Aug 22, 2018 20:32 |  #6

sincity wrote in post #18690520 (external link)
Where is #6?? I see two backlights, one FB, one square, and one BD..

Was breaking the scene down. Almost forgot to take a BTS pic. Apparently, it’s in its case already. A wound up power cord & empty stand not folded up is there though...

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Aug 22, 2018 22:22 |  #7

CanonYouCan wrote in post #18689280 (external link)
A grid was in the package, but I have never seen an outdoor modelshoot with grid attached on youtube tutorials, is a grid never used outdoor and why?
I know a grid is used in studio to give the light more direction.

A grid is primarily used to avoid light spill where you don’t want it. So giving “light more direction” is not the correct term or goal. You may be confusing the wording with directional lighting.

Indoors you often want light from a beauty dish on the subject’s face, but not to spill onto a nearby wall or background. Therefore, you use a grid to reduce the spill. In contrast, outdoors there is usually no wall or background to catch spill. Maybe if you’re intentionally shooting against a wall or under a pier, then you might consider a grid. But it is more likely that controlling the distance and output of the strobe would apply.




  
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Aug 25, 2018 22:02 |  #8

I'm not sure it is wrong to say that it gives the light more direction.

A grid is essentially blocking much of the light which isn't going in a forward direction. The effect is, indeed, to keep light from spilling where you don't want it and this is accomplished by blocking light which is going in the direction of the area where you don't want the light, to the side. :)

I would feel comfortable hearing or saying it either way. I think they are both correct.


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Aug 25, 2018 23:38 as a reply to  @ F2Bthere's post |  #9

Grids limit the direction of light. That is all they do. Saying they give light more direction is exactly the opposite. When you talk lighting, the words are important. Writing about it is even harder. It was not meant as a criticism of the OP. Misconceptions about light are often why modifiers are misused and when photographers get stuck.

If the discussion was about a parabolic reflector, then it would be proper to say it gives the light more direction. Describing the use of a parabolic reflector and eggcrate grid with the same words is obviously a disservice.




  
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Aug 26, 2018 00:50 |  #10

NDAPhoto wrote in post #18692787 (external link)
Grids limit the direction of light. That is all they do. Saying they give light more direction is exactly the opposite. When you talk lighting, the words are important. Writing about it is even harder. It was not meant as a criticism of the OP. Misconceptions about light are often why modifiers are misused and when photographers get stuck.

If the discussion was about a parabolic reflector, then it would be proper to say it gives the light more direction. Describing the use of a parabolic reflector and eggcrate grid with the same words is obviously a disservice.

Then we have fresnels...


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Aug 26, 2018 01:45 |  #11

Parabolic umbrellas/modifiers colliminate light to a certain extent, but are no means even close to perfect.

Neither are grids.

Neither are fresnel lenses.

None are equal, but all attempt to do the same thing but through different methods.

https://en.m.wikipedia​.org/wiki/Collimated_l​ight (external link)


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Aug 26, 2018 17:51 |  #12

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18692826 (external link)
Parabolic umbrellas/modifiers colliminate light to a certain extent, but are no means even close to perfect.

Neither are grids.

Neither are fresnel lenses.

None are equal, but all attempt to do the same thing but through different methods.

https://en.m.wikipedia​.org/wiki/Collimated_l​ight (external link)

Too many things wrong with this post including a totally unrelated change of subject that has nothing to do with OP's question.




  
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Aug 26, 2018 18:08 |  #13

NDAPhoto wrote in post #18693550 (external link)
Too many things wrong with this post including a totally unrelated change of subject that has nothing to do with OP's question.

Here's another link you might want to read.

https://en.m.wikipedia​.org/wiki/Conversation (external link)

Study it out.


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