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Aug 22, 2018 17:36 |  #1

Alright; I have finally run into shooting situations where 24mm is simply not wide enough to frame things I want on the 5DIV. But, I'm a little stuck over the most useful upgrade to make; I have a couple of targets in mind but would like to get some further thoughts on options or recommendations for things I might not be considering already.

Considerations:
1. Will primarily be used in landscape shooting scenarios
2. *May* be used for family/friends portraiture, but not primarily
3. Would be nice to be able to shoot lower light without a tripod; giving a tip to the f/2.8 or to a good, fast prime
4. Needs to be able to accept filters, particularly a CPL; also, I am a complete dufus regarding blending/layering photos
5. AF strongly preferred

Considering:
1. Canon 16-35 f/4 L: Top, standalone performer for across the scene sharpness from all I can find.
2. Canon 16-35 f/2.8 L III: Not quite as strong overall image quality, but close enough to justify with it's larger max aperture.
3. Wide, fast prime to be named/suggested
4. Other?

Out:
C 11-24, while I would probably enjoy that lens overall, the bulbous front element/fixed hood will frustrate me with not being able to use a CPL
C 14mm 2.8/Rokinon 14mm AF, same as above.

Thanks in advance!
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Aug 22, 2018 17:43 |  #2

2. Canon 16-35 f/2.8 L III: Not quite as strong overall image quality, but close enough to justify with it's larger max aperture.

say what? that's the best 16-35 made by anyone. maybe you're confusing it with the II?


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Aug 22, 2018 17:57 |  #3

FF options that work (only a couple are f2.8)

Sigma 12-24
Tamron 15-30
Tokina 11-16 (used at the 15-16mm without vignetting)
Sigma 10-20 with a 1.4x TC

I would think, if you want Canon, the 16-35 f4 would be a good balance between UWA, IQ and cost. At such a wide angle, you basically give up most DOF control as it is nearly infinite, even at f2.8. You can do some creative work if the subject is really close and get a blurred background though, but for landscapes, f2.8 really doesn't bring much to the table other than 1 stop lower ISO need over the f4. The 5DIV can handle your ISO needs however, just fine. :)


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Aug 22, 2018 17:58 |  #4

ed rader wrote in post #18690459 (external link)
2. Canon 16-35 f/2.8 L III: Not quite as strong overall image quality, but close enough to justify with it's larger max aperture.

say what? that's the best 16-35 made by anyone. maybe you're confusing it with the II?

No; but, it's possible I misread (or mis-remember) some of the reading in the past. I thought that title still rested with the f/4. That certainly makes the debate a bit easier, if it's the case.


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Aug 22, 2018 18:03 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #5

"While it might be hard to see in these smaller jpegs, I think it’s pretty clear from these images that the new Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L III is a cut above the rest, like the MTF charts show in our previous post. Click the link here if you want to download full raw files of these images so you can compare them yourself."

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Aug 22, 2018 18:04 |  #6

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18690464 (external link)
FF options that work:

Sigma 12-24
Tamron 15-30
Tokina 11-16 (used at the 15-16mm without vignetting)
Sigma 10-20 with a 1.4x TC

The 12-24's a good one to throw in to consideration for sure; thanks!

I really hate the handling and operation of the Tokina, so I'd actively avoid using that one, unfortuntately. I don't want to have to muck w/ TCs or adapters, as I'd prefer to keep TC usage to much more specific situations vs general 'grab 'n go'.


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Aug 22, 2018 18:07 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #7

12-24 has bulbous front element. in fact all the lenses wider than 16mm do


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Aug 22, 2018 18:11 |  #8

I would just go with the 16-35 f/4 and move on. It's a great lens and ticks all of your checkboxes except for the portion of #3 where you want a "fast" lens. I think you can use f/4 quite easily at high ISO with the 5D4 handheld and not suffer much if at all. I've gone to ISO 10,000 and only needed minor noise reduction to get something nice. The noise pattern on the 5D4 isn't bad / obtrusive at all.


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Aug 22, 2018 18:13 |  #9

ed rader wrote in post #18690468 (external link)
"While it might be hard to see in these smaller jpegs, I think it’s pretty clear from these images that the new Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L III is a cut above the rest, like the MTF charts show in our previous post. Click the link here if you want to download full raw files of these images so you can compare them yourself."

https://www.lensrental​s.com …-canon-16-35mm-f2-8l-iii/ (external link)

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Aug 22, 2018 19:02 |  #10

You have a 7D2 and 10-22 and you're looking for an UWA setup? Look in your gear closet. If that lens doesn't suit you, look at the Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 lens. I think its a pretty impressive lens.




  
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Aug 22, 2018 19:18 |  #11

Bassat wrote in post #18690499 (external link)
You have a 7D2 and 10-22 and you're looking for an UWA setup? Look in your gear closet. If that lens doesn't suit you, look at the Tokina 11-20mm f/2.8 lens. I think its a pretty impressive lens.

I'm using the 7DII as my wildlife kiit, with the 5D4 along to do landscape/family/portr​ait duty; so, that body's busy with other things on those outings.


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Aug 22, 2018 21:10 |  #12

16-35 f/4 has my vote. Spectacular lens, worth every penny. The f/2.8 III is great, but the f/4 is more versatile with the IS vs. the f/2.8 aperture. And it’s lighter weight. And a lot cheaper. But you already know all this :)


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Aug 22, 2018 21:33 |  #13

MatthewK wrote in post #18690566 (external link)
16-35 f/4 has my vote. Spectacular lens, worth every penny. The f/2.8 III is great, but the f/4 is more versatile with the IS vs. the f/2.8 aperture. And it’s lighter weight. And a lot cheaper. But you already know all this :)

Knowing and being conscious of are two different things ߘ Weight is a good thing to be aware of, as is the filter size...hadn't keyed in on the 2.8 being 80mm vs the 'standard' 77mm. That makes a difference, too.

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Aug 23, 2018 02:56 |  #14

I would get the 16-35mm f/4.

1. Will primarily be used in landscape shooting scenarios (f/4)
2. *May* be used for family/friends portraiture, but not primarily (f/4)
3. Would be nice to be able to shoot lower light without a tripod; giving a tip to the f/2.8 or to a good, fast prime (f/4 has IS)
4. Needs to be able to accept filters, particularly a CPL; also, I am a complete dufus regarding blending/layering photos (f/2,8 uses 82mm, f/4 uses 77mm)
5. AF strongly preferred (both)


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Aug 23, 2018 17:22 |  #15

I did get the 16-35 F4 L IS! Truly excellent lens for the money.:-)


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