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Aug 26, 2018 19:56 |  #16

My take, the 6D image is far better.

Look over near the lamp, and see all that muddling going on in the wall coloring.
The "P&S" is always going to overcook stuff if left to it's own devices (in many cases with no option to remove "it's own devices"
Your images show this. The oak cabinet doors look punchy, over-saturated and sharp in the G7 shot, but not in a good way.
It's not "lens sharp" it's software sharpening.
There is a depth of subtle color that the 6D image is offering that the G7 has mechanized and made harsh.

Just MHO.


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Aug 26, 2018 20:08 as a reply to  @ post 18692641 |  #17

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Aug 26, 2018 20:47 |  #18

Bassat wrote in post #18692325 (external link)
.... The G7 has much deeper DOF at these settings. To my eye (yes, only one!), the deeper DOF of the G7 shot more than makes up for the slight bit of noise visible up to about 8"x10". The OOF blur of the 6D/24A is more annoying than the noise of the 6D.

Anyone want to buy a 24A?

Yes, of course, the smaller sensor means any same settings of f/stop is going to have more DOF than on the larger sensor.
MORE D.O.F. is never a problem it's getting less DOF, more subject isolation, that costs money, glass and weight. (or changing distances which is usually free.)

So your preference for more DOF is easily remedied by stopping down the 24A to offer similar DOF that you have on the smaller sensored G7. Whereas you can't do the opposite with the G7 to get better subject isolation.

Most people get a 1.8 24mm looking for MORE out of focus blur. So yeah, maybe you should sell the 24A


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Aug 26, 2018 21:31 |  #19

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18693540 (external link)
I know what the G7X2 is, and I am very familiar with the Canon 6D ........ but what is a 24A ?

I don't believe I've ever heard of such a thing. I Googled it and didn't get any pertinent results.

Please clarify.


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The first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Sigma 24 Art.

Yes, Sigma 24mms f/1.4 Art.




  
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Aug 26, 2018 23:15 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #20

Thank you.

I didn't even know that there was such a thing, and therefore had no way of knowing what you were talking about.

I wonder why abbreviations and shortcuts are all the rage these days. Is it really that hard to type a few more letters into one's post, to ensure that all who read it will understand it?


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Aug 27, 2018 00:21 |  #21

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18693752 (external link)
Thank you.

I didn't even know that there was such a thing, and therefore had no way of knowing what you were talking about.

I wonder why abbreviations and shortcuts are all the rage these days. Is it really that hard to type a few more letters into one's post, to ensure that all who read it will understand it?

My thought is that it probably has to do with many of us getting used to texting and/or those of us who browse the forum mostly on mobile devices which aren’t so easy to type long responses on. The texting abbreviations took off back when we paid per message and could only use a certain number of characters in a text, so abbreviations let us get more for our money, and we’re much easier to type out on the old T9 system of 0-9 phone buttons. Now that we have progressed to full keyboards and browsers on our smartphones, they’ve just stayed around even though they’re not really needed.

If you’d like to see a place where abbreviations are rampant and really difficult to understand, come work in healthcare. :-D

As to the topic at hand, overall the images both look pretty nice (without pixel peeping). I’m sure the output quality of the P&S would be more than adequate for most people’s use, and even acceptable as a small sized alternative for many enthusiasts who don’t want to carry around a bunch of equipment.


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Aug 27, 2018 01:36 |  #22

Lyndön wrote in post #18693773 (external link)
My thought is that it probably has to do with many of us getting used to texting and/or those of us who browse the forum mostly on mobile devices which aren’t so easy to type long responses on. The texting abbreviations took off back when we paid per message and could only use a certain number of characters in a text, so abbreviations let us get more for our money, and we’re much easier to type out on the old T9 system of 0-9 phone buttons. Now that we have progressed to full keyboards and browsers on our smartphones, they’ve just stayed around even though they’re not really needed.

If you’d like to see a place where abbreviations are rampant and really difficult to understand, come work in healthcare. :-D

As to the topic at hand, overall the images both look pretty nice (without pixel peeping). I’m sure the output quality of the P&S would be more than adequate for most people’s use, and even acceptable as a small sized alternative for many enthusiasts who don’t want to carry around a bunch of equipment.

Exactly! For me, the size/IQ compromise is well worth it.

What do you do in healthcare? I am an RN, currently working in a non-profit hospice. Great work!




  
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Aug 27, 2018 02:24 |  #23

I'm hearing ya. I reckon my Panasonics do really nice jpegs too. They're (Panasonic's) really set up well for the jpeg shooter, with plenty of features able to be tweaked, to give you pleasing results. The in camera iDynamic settings really push the shadows quite nicely -not too far off what a reasonable raw converter can manage. My G9 has pretty impressive in camera sharpening too -much smarter than previous generations. It seems quite capable of distinguishing out of focus areas, only sharpening what's actually in focus, leaving the backgrounds & sky alone. Few shots from the first few days I had the camera, & experimenting with it. I'm really happy with its low light performance -combine in body/dual image stabilization with f/1.4-1.7 lenses that are pretty damn sharp wide open, & you can get some rather nice results. IMO.

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Aug 27, 2018 03:54 |  #24

Glad you like your G7XMKII Tom,I too love mine.For just a general overall camera it can’t be beat!


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Aug 27, 2018 06:18 |  #25

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18693682 (external link)
Yes, of course, the smaller sensor means any same settings of f/stop is going to have more DOF than on the larger sensor.
MORE D.O.F. is never a problem it's getting less DOF, more subject isolation, that costs money, glass and weight. (or changing distances which is usually free.)

So your preference for more DOF is easily remedied by stopping down the 24A to offer similar DOF that you have on the smaller sensored G7. Whereas you can't do the opposite with the G7 to get better subject isolation.

Most people get a 1.8 24mm looking for MORE out of focus blur. So yeah, maybe you should sell the 24A

Sort of. Most of the time. If I were only after a lot of DOF, I could use a small sensor G15/16 @ f/1.8. When I'm pushing the ISO to 3200+ because of the light, that isn't much of an answer. The G15's tiny sensor is good for ISO 400. I can use the G7X2 at 6400 w/o a problem.

Stopping down an f/1.4 lens? Really? If I'm going to shoot 24mm at f/3.5, or smaller, I've got the most excellent 24-105 STM, which includes IS. I'd be leaving the f/1.4 lens at home if I weren't planning on using f/1.4.

An f/1.4 aperture is good for letting in a lot of light, not only restricting DOF. Depends on what you're shooting. And the Sigma 24mm f/1.4 Art is back up for sale. Interested?




  
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Aug 27, 2018 09:52 |  #26

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Stopping down an f/1.4 lens? Really? .

And yet you are selling your Art because it has too little DOF @ f/1.8 as compared to your G7?


My post was reacting to your conclusions, which I find incomprehensible, in which you seem to list the fast aperture's subject isolation as a negative in your initial post.


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Aug 27, 2018 09:56 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #27

It's par for the course! :)

6D, then an 80D that was good enough, then another 6D later, and now a 1" pocket camera that is almost as good as the 6D, and ditto with all the lenses.... I think Tom likes buying gear about as much as he likes shooting it (which I can appreciate, and do myself). :D


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Aug 27, 2018 12:29 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #28

time to sell the 6D, again.


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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18694155 (external link)
time to sell the 6D, again.

Wont have a problem as they are incredibly popular on the used market still and the best deal around IMO. I ended up with 3 recently and sold the one with the most shutter count (24k) Got $750 for it with a Vello grip within 10 hours of posting it.




  
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Aug 28, 2018 02:55 |  #30

Bassat wrote in post #18693808 (external link)
Exactly! For me, the size/IQ compromise is well worth it.

What do you do in healthcare? I am an RN, currently working in a non-profit hospice. Great work!

I’m Staff/Clinical Pharmacist (PharmD) for a regional hospital system. :lol:

I understand the size/IQ compromise, my wife and I both have a M4/3 cameras. The EM1.2 is my travel camera and EM10.2 is her primary. Ive found that they’re surprisingly good, despite all of the horror stories of how M43 is terrible due of the small sensor. The EM10.2 with the 14-42EZ is point and shoot size, just a tiny bit larger in size than the G1Xmk3. I also love the portability and retro styling of that system. It reminds me a lot of the old AE-1 I learned to shoot on.


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