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Aug 28, 2018 21:30 |  #1
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I'll be holding out for the higher end model to test out but this should still appeal to the masses...

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Aug 28, 2018 21:44 |  #2

If it does not compete with the Sony A7iii and up

IT WONT SELL TO PROFESSIONALS

THESE SPECS ARE A JOKE

ISO performance ???

Ability to use current L lens with an new adapter that will not effect performance ??

Ability of servo to operate and lock in low light ??

Ability to use existing canon flash units on the bodies ???

Menu that works like current Canon menus do or do we have to learn a whole new menu system and functions ??


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Aug 28, 2018 21:47 |  #3

The adapter won't affect AF, it will merely be mostly a passthrough to the camera from the lens, that I can be sure of. Just like extension tubes...

10fps looks great, but AF has to match that of the 5D4 and have dual slots for me to be interested.

This will kill all 6D2 sales however, I am sure. Get ready for a glut of 6D and 6D2 cameras on the used market.


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umphotography wrote in post #18695428 (external link)
If it does not compete with the Sony A7iii and up

IT WONT SELL TO PROFESSIONALS

THESE SPECS ARE A JOKE

ISO performance ???

Ability to use current L lens with an new adapter that will not effect performance ??

Ability of servo to operate and lock in low light ??

Ability to use existing canon flash units on the bodies ???

Menu that works like current Canon menus do or do we have to learn a whole new menu system and functions ??


My reaction to this so far is as follows

Its just rumors and a lot believe it will be an EF mount. of course it wont sell to many professionals. Pros like me will continue using our DSLRs and wait for the higher end model to come out, which probably wont be announced until next year. However, your average Canon consumer waiting for them to release a FF mirrorless will be all over this. They dont care about Sony, they only care about a FF mirrorless that says Canon on it.




  
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Aug 28, 2018 22:46 |  #5

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The adapter won't affect AF, it will merely be mostly a passthrough to the camera from the lens, that I can be sure of. Just like extension tubes...

10fps looks great, but AF has to match that of the 5D4 and have dual slots for me to be interested.

This will kill all 6D2 sales however, I am sure. Get ready for a glut of 6D and 6D2 cameras on the used market.


Tell that to all the people who have adapters on the Sony's and their lens perform poorly

I wont believe it until its proven to be true

6D2 did not do well because entry market people are not buying DSLR's.....they are using the I phones

The amateur camera market is DEAD. The I phone owns it so lets keep it that way

Canon and Nikon need to wake up. Professionals want quality equipment

This release is not gonna cut it as compared to what Sony is doing

If this is what Canon and Nikon are going to do......Sony will put them out of their misery at next release


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Aug 28, 2018 23:02 |  #6

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Tell that to all the people who have adapters on the Sony's and their lens perform poorly

I wont believe it until its proven to be true

6D2 did not do well because entry market people are not buying DSLR's.....they are using the I phones

The amateur camera market is DEAD. The I phone owns it so lets keep it that way

Canon and Nikon need to wake up. Professionals want quality equipment

This release is not gonna cut it as compared to what Sony is doing

If this is what Canon and Nikon are going to do......Sony will put them out of their misery at next release

I've heard rumors that Sony has an epic answer waiting in the wings to the C&N FF mirrorless releases. The N cameras didn't match up to what is currently out for Sony. Can you imagine in the C releases don't match up, and Sony still drops something crazy that ups the anti that much more?! Might be the beginning of the end folks.


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Aug 28, 2018 23:17 |  #7

I've seen a common thread in many comments over the past week following the Nikon Z6/Z7 announcements, and I'm seeing it about the (rumored) upcoming Canon announcement.

"It's a new lens mount. I don't want to/shouldn't have to/won't use an adapter on my lenses"

One of the advantages of mirrorless cameras is that the lenses can be closer to the sensor. This, I understand, provides some advantages for the lens design. If this is true, then, in my opinion, Canon would be limiting their future capabilities if they release a new family of high-end mirrorless cameras that are compatible with EF lenses without any sort of adapter.

Building new lenses takes time. While it would be nice if Canon would release their new camera line with a full suite of 30 lenses available from day one, that's not likely to happen. Instead, I expect Canon to follow a similar path to Nikon, releasing two or three lenses with the camera, and announcing that a couple more will be available in the near future.

I'm old enough to remember when Canon introduced the EOS system in the late 1980s. We take it for granted today that there are dozens of different EF lenses available, with multiple options for every budget and every shooting scenario. But when the EOS system first came out, there were only a handful of lenses available initially. Many pros and serious amateurs held off switching to it precisely because they had large investments in FD glass, even though Canon sold a high quality (so I heard) adapter. It took a few years before there were enough EF lenses that the system reached critical mass and it became clear that this was where Canon was betting its future.

I expect the same will happen for a Canon mirrorless, and for the Nikon Z mount. It will take a while to fill out the lens lines. If the companies are really committed to these products, they will take a long-term view. They'll get there eventually.

(Incidentally, unlike Canon, Nikon's AF mount was natively compatible with many of their older MF lenses. Those of you who remember the old rec.photo usenet group(s) may recall that Nikon fans loved to rub this fact in the face of Canon fans well into the mid-1990s.)

Another often repeated trope is:

"Sony is too far ahead. Canon/Nikon will never catch up."

Sony definitely has a significant head start in mirrorless. I'm sure there will be many significant things that Sony does better than the initial Canon mirrorless, just like there are major things they do better than the Nikon Z6/Z7. But somebody will buy the Canons and Nikons. Maybe there will be one feature, however minor, that Canon and Nikon do better than Sony. Maybe they already have a couple of Canon/Nikon lenses and don't mind using an adapter. Maybe they just prefer the brand. Or the menu structure. Or the feel of it in their hands.

Right now Canon and Nikon are definitely playing catch-up in mirrorless. Sony has a huge head start and pretty much owns the market, but Canon and Nikon have a lot of experience making cameras and a lot of resources. If they expect to be number one in the market within six months of their initial product launch, they're doomed to failure. But if they're in it for the long haul, they have the potential to be true market leaders. It may take five years, maybe more. But they'll get there if they stay focused on it.

Hang on folks. It's about to get really interesting!

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Aug 28, 2018 23:24 |  #8

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Its just rumors and a lot believe it will be an EF mount....

I saw that in a lot of the comments. EF mount isn't going to work without an adapter. Its all about the flange distance. If they build a mirrorless for the EF mount, the body will basically be the same size as the EF mount bodies of today.


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The amateur camera market is DEAD. The I phone owns it so lets keep it that way

Canon and Nikon need to wake up. Professionals want quality equipment

This release is not gonna cut it as compared to what Sony is doing


Uh, in between the 'amateur snapshooter' P&S user (now served with the iPhone) and the 'professional' dSLR user is a group of photographers who existed decades ago and fostered the sale of countless SLRs back then and mid-level and high level dSLRs today...the enthusiast/hobbyist.

Lots of these folks have lowered expectations and needs compared to pros, and many have lots of disposable income to spend on playthings. A number even have enough disposable income to buy the same expensive cameras as the pros,
They have many of the same expectations of the pro, and they might buy a product even when the product does not have support for features that pros would demand to have, because as hobbyists they do not need the missing features.


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Aug 28, 2018 23:29 |  #10

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6D2 did not do well because entry market people are not buying DSLR's.....they are using the I phones

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Or it could be that the 6DII didn't really offer anything new and those with a 5DII, 5DIII, or 6D didn't feel the need to upgrade.


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Or it could be that the 6DII didn't really offer anything new and those with a 5DII, 5DIII, or 6D didn't feel the need to upgrade.


...or much of the non-buying public felt that the changes brought by the 6DII were not enough of a step forward to warrant the expense vs. keeping their existing 6D...if only the IQ improvement was great enough that it ended up better than the 5DIV at a lower price!


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...or much of the non-buying public felt that the changes brought by the 6DII were not enough of a step forward to warrant the expense vs. keeping their existing 6D...if only the IQ improvement was great enough that it ended up better than the 5DIV at a lower price!

Or equal to the 5DIV.


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I've seen a common thread in many comments over the past week following the Nikon Z6/Z7 announcements, and I'm seeing it about the (rumored) upcoming Canon announcement.

"It's a new lens mount. I don't want to/shouldn't have to/won't use an adapter on my lenses"

One of the advantages of mirrorless cameras is that the lenses can be closer to the sensor. This, I understand, provides some advantages for the lens design. If this is true, then, in my opinion, Canon would be limiting their future capabilities if they release a new family of high-end mirrorless cameras that are compatible with EF lenses without any sort of adapter.

Building new lenses takes time. While it would be nice if Canon would release their new camera line with a full suite of 30 lenses available from day one, that's not likely to happen. Instead, I expect Canon to follow a similar path to Nikon, releasing two or three lenses with the camera, and announcing that a couple more will be available in the near future.

I'm old enough to remember when Canon introduced the EOS system in the late 1980s. We take it for granted today that there are dozens of different EF lenses available, with multiple options for every budget and every shooting scenario. But when the EOS system first came out, there were only a handful of lenses available initially. Many pros and serious amateurs held off switching to it precisely because they had large investments in FD glass, even though Canon sold a high quality (so I heard) adapter. It took a few years before there were enough EF lenses that the system reached critical mass and it became clear that this was where Canon was betting its future.

I expect the same will happen for a Canon mirrorless, and for the Nikon Z mount. It will take a while to fill out the lens lines. If the companies are really committed to these products, they will take a long-term view. They'll get there eventually.

(Incidentally, unlike Canon, Nikon's AF mount was natively compatible with many of their older MF lenses. Those of you who remember the old rec.photo usenet group(s) may recall that Nikon fans loved to rub this fact in the face of Canon fans well into the mid-1990s.)

Another often repeated trope is:

"Sony is too far ahead. Canon/Nikon will never catch up."

Sony definitely has a significant head start in mirrorless. I'm sure there will be many significant things that Sony does better than the initial Canon mirrorless, just like there are major things they do better than the Nikon Z6/Z7. But somebody will buy the Canons and Nikons. Maybe there will be one feature, however minor, that Canon and Nikon do better than Sony. Maybe they already have a couple of Canon/Nikon lenses and don't mind using an adapter. Maybe they just prefer the brand. Or the menu structure. Or the feel of it in their hands.

Right now Canon and Nikon are definitely playing catch-up in mirrorless. Sony has a huge head start and pretty much owns the market, but Canon and Nikon have a lot of experience making cameras and a lot of resources. If they expect to be number one in the market within six months of their initial product launch, they're doomed to failure. But if they're in it for the long haul, they have the potential to be true market leaders. It may take five years, maybe more. But they'll get there if they stay focused on it.

Hang on folks. It's about to get really interesting!

Mike

I think that with the short flange distance and larger mount diameter of the mirrorless camera design may generate a demand of new ultra wide angle lens design.

the pricing is also critical, you cannot sell a product with basic features set at a professional price point (like the Nikon Z7) to consumers.

The 6D Mark II or D600/700 is developed with the 'pro-sumers' in mind where a basic full frame sensor is coupled with other basic features for people who want to get a full frame sensor within budget.

I believe if Canon would to release a Mirrorless model, I believe it would be a replacement of the 6D mark II equivalent and based on the Nikon Z-mount dimensions, Canon may not need a new mount design if the flange distance is kept the same (like shooting in live-view mode).

If I were Canon, I would come up with a new mount design (say around 70mm) that would enable housing of a medium format sensor like Fuji GFX. In addition, it is also able to house 35mm full frame sensor and cropped sensor. One mount for three sensor sizes to be built into three mirrorless product lines and ONE new lens family for medium format and full frame.

Specialized consumers/ professionals who need fast response especially AF speed can continue to use DSLR for action/ sports/ wildlife. While hobbyists/enthusiasts/​'pro-sumers' can be channeled into the new mirrorless world....  :p

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Aug 29, 2018 05:32 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #14

A Canon camera with a Canon adapter with a Canon lens will be fine. Sony using a Metabone with a canon lens isn't even in the same league.


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If you read the canon watch post, it doesn't at all sound as confident as the canon rumors post.


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