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Sep 02, 2018 18:39 |  #106

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You are kidding right? The M50 is the best selling mirrorless camera in Japan and Canon just took over the #1 spot for mirrorless camera sales in Japan.Their numbers have been rising in the US and other markets too. This release will help those numbers of course. Their M line is far from a flop though.

A $600 camera with a 5 lens lineup is so totally competing with a $2-4000 camera with 30-50 lenses....

Did you not get the news regarding Sony out selling both Nikon and Canon? You surely didn't get the memo, but Canon and Nikon did.

Nikon didn't even bother release a crop camera.....


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A $600 camera with a 5 lens lineup is so totally competing with a $2-4000 camera with 30-50 lenses....

Did you not get the news regarding Sony out selling both Nikon and Canon? You surely didn't get the memo, but Canon and Nikon did.

Nikon didn't even bother release a crop camera.....

I never said that Canon was outselling Sony in every market but what I said was accurate. The M50 is the best selling mirrorless camera in Japan and Canon is #1 in mirrorless camera sales in Japan with Sony a distant 3rd. Thats not a "total flop" and thats without Canon really getting serious about mirrorless. Now that they are finally releasing a FF mirrorless, you will see Sony's lead continue to slip until Canon also dominates mirrorless sales around the globe. I say within two years, maybe sooner. Here you go, in case you didn't get the memo :-)

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Sep 02, 2018 19:56 |  #108

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You are kidding right? The M50 is the best selling mirrorless camera in Japan and Canon just took over the #1 spot for mirrorless camera sales in Japan.Their numbers have been rising in the US and other markets too. This release will help those numbers of course. Their M line is far from a flop though.

Where are they at amongst all the other countries? Their ef-m lineup is a joke...I said their first iteration was a flop...which it was $850 camera being sold at $250 is a flop, and then taking a step back before introducing another camera to the us market


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Sep 02, 2018 20:41 |  #109

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You asked why a pro camera would have 50MP. Why wouldn't it?

Because most working pros put a very high value on workflow speed, and a rather low value on super-high resolution.

This is why Canon's true professional bodies, the 1 series, have much lower resolution than their fine art / prosumer bodies.


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Sep 02, 2018 20:47 |  #110

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Because most working pros put a very high value on workflow speed, and a rather low value on super-high resolution.

This is why Canon's true professional bodies, the 1 series, have much lower resolution than their fine art / prosumer bodies.

Exactly Tom, thank you. It is hard to explain to those that don't receive a paycheck from at least pro perspective for sport, why certain things are the way they are.


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Sep 02, 2018 20:53 |  #111

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Exactly Tom, thank you. It is hard to explain to those that don't receive a paycheck from at least pro perspective for sport, why certain things are the way they are.

Do you think they are just going to settle in at 30mp, and not introduce more mp in the next generation of cameras? I don’t shoot paid sports, but a lot of wildlife, and i’d certainly be fine with more mp


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Sep 02, 2018 20:55 |  #112

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Do you think they are just going to settle in at 30mp, and not introduce more mp in the next generation of cameras? I don’t shoot paid sports, but a lot of wildlife, and i’d certainly be fine with more mp

but higher mp cameras are typically a bit slower..

forgive me if i'm assuming , I'm very clueless of wildlife .. but I assumed speed is highly desired?

a buffer that doesn't fill up too quickly and that clears very quickly?


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Sep 02, 2018 20:59 |  #113

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Do you think they are just going to settle in at 30mp, and not introduce more mp in the next generation of cameras? I don’t shoot paid sports, but a lot of wildlife, and i’d certainly be fine with more mp

Sure they are, I never said they wouldn't. But for a pro sports shooter at least, more isn't better. More is slower, more clumsy, and many times a hindrance. There is a time and place and need for high resolution. When it comes to speed to market during a game thru media outlets and social media, nobody needs high resolution images. They need agility and speed. One day perhaps when everything is faster (card access, burst speeds, wireless transfer, software for processing, etc), then resolution can be higher. We are not there yet. I have been requested to get images quickly per quarter to the media desk. I have to get them transferred quickly from the 5D4 to Google Drive, where the media person is pulling them up, cropping and overlaying scores and stats. High res would be a mess for this process. Others have card runners, I don't need that though.

For Canon's release, they will likely make FF mirrorless that relate to the 5D4/6D, 5DS, and then the 1DX.

A9 ~ 1DX
A73R ~ 5DS
A73 ~ mix of the 6D2 and 5D4

It feels like this first FF Canon mirrorless is targeting the A73. It certainly doesn't come close to the A73R or A9.


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Sep 02, 2018 21:16 |  #114

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Do you think they are just going to settle in at 30mp, and not introduce more mp in the next generation of cameras? I don’t shoot paid sports, but a lot of wildlife, and i’d certainly be fine with more mp


When did the 1D4 come out?
Two generations later, and the 1DxII is only @ 20mp vs that 1D4 16MP. And the 1Dx was only 18MP in between. We do seem to have stalled quite a bit in that race at the high speed end of things.


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Sep 02, 2018 21:18 |  #115

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A9 ~ 1DX
A73R ~ 5DS
A73 ~ mix of the 6D2 and 5D4

It feels like this first FF Canon mirrorless is targeting the A73. It certainly doesn't come close to the A73R or A9.

Makes sense to me.


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Exactly Tom, thank you. It is hard to explain to those that don't receive a paycheck from at least pro perspective for sport, why certain things are the way they are.

Ive been receiving a paycheck from my photography for the last 13 years, its my only source of income. I have zero problems importing and batch processing even the files off the 5Ds I rented, but I do work in JPEG. With every new processor, the in camera JPEG processing gets better and better. With how advanced JPEG processing is and how advanced and powerful editors are, I stopped shooting in RAW back in 06-07. I also shoot in controlled lighting environments or in natural light where I know what Im doing. Not like I ever need to recover anything in shadows or things like that, so RAW holds no real advantages for what I do. My workflow is very quick.




  
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Sep 02, 2018 22:23 as a reply to  @ Mbell1975's post |  #117

Many working pros work for media outlets or agencies, and need to transfer hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of images wirelessly, both during the event they are shooting and immediately after the event ends. These are the photographers that the flagship bodies are designed for, and I guarantee you that these professional sports event shooters and news event shooters do not want 50 MP files, even though they are shooting jPegs.


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Sep 02, 2018 22:33 |  #118

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When did the 1D4 come out?
Two generations later, and the 1DxII is only @ 20mp vs that 1D4 16MP. And the 1Dx was only 18MP in between. We do seem to have stalled quite a bit in that race at the high speed end of things.

But the 1DXII is FF, has higher frame rate, and *probably most important in Canon's scheme* is the HDSLR 4K system they're marketing for film productions (AFAIK, the only DCI 4k at full cinema crop). For stills, I was really luke warm about the 5D2 coming out, but it was revolutionary for smaller form factor FF HD video. Canon, being market driven, is looking at the best segmentation.

I just upgraded from 22MP 5D3 to 5D4: for portraiture, I am seeing some added detail with the 30MP....not sure if I'd want to go to 50MP (either with extra MP not realized or file size). A friend of mine switched from Canon to Nikon. He first got the D810 and has gotten the D850: he says he's not so much enamored by extra resolution but overall features (and at the time of 5D3 vs D810, there was clear DR improvements).


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Many working pros work for media outlets or agencies, and need to transfer hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of images wirelessly, both during the event they are shooting and immediately after the event ends. These are the photographers that the flagship bodies are designed for, and I guarantee you that these professional sports event shooters and news event shooters do not want 50 MP files, even though they are shooting jPegs.

I see your point but given how incredibly well the Nikon D850 has sold and the way the a7riii continues to sell, I think there are plenty of pros who want higher resolution cameras.




  
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Sep 02, 2018 22:47 |  #120

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I see your point but given how incredibly well the Nikon D850 has sold and the way the a7riii continues to sell, I think there are plenty of pros who want higher resolution cameras.

It becomes a point of diminishing returns. Maybe if you're a sports shooter and have a shot which you need to do a big crop, then extra resolution comes into play. But for magazine size prints, a working 40+MP is overkill.


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