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Sep 05, 2018 12:18 |  #76

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18700991 (external link)
I have always felt that IS is a bit overrated.

Try watching my wifes videos from her XT-20 then watch her video of the A7iii.

IS/IBIS has a useful function. Yes we use our cameras to video. It's extremely nice to take photos, mash the record... capture video and then switch back to photos all in the same fluid motion of holding the same exact camera.

Sorry video is not in needs.

For stills I agree. But for video the IBIS takes out so much jitter it makes it acceptable to watch videos SOOC using any lens of choice.


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Sep 05, 2018 12:18 |  #77

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18700991 (external link)
I have always felt that IS is a bit overrated. Live subjects need faster shutter speeds, and static subjects get a tripod. But that's me.
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Yes, that is you, and if that's the way you shoot then IS probably isn't necessary for most of your shooting.

But many others shoot differently.

Live subjects only need fast shutter speeds if they are moving. Many times they are not. In fact, many times, live subjects are also static subjects. Perhaps we should compare and contrast static subjects with moving subjects instead of comparing them with live subjects, because live subjects can be either static or moving.


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Sep 05, 2018 12:26 |  #78

rogue.guineapig wrote in post #18701003 (external link)
Agreed and I think they could have offset this with a killer price.

"Well it's no A7III...but man is it affordable! You can't have it all for $1749.99!"
That would have made this a real competitor...either compete on price, or on features (or on BOTH!) but compete--on SOME level.

In their own marketing they say it's a camera that is not a replacement but an addition to.

Ok... well then why price it as a camera that is a replacement cost. This camera at $1499 would of completely killed off any transfers from canon to sony. This would of told the world hey.... here it is come and get it and for those looking for more... just wait because we have TONS in the works.

Destroy the competition. Sorry but that is what Sony did with the A7iii release. They literally made you ? the R3 with as much as they put into the 7III.


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Sep 05, 2018 12:37 |  #79

This all feels like the release of the 6dii, people complaining a mid range price point camera doesn't have all the bells and whistles of a top of the range camera. Amazingly Ford have a similar problem with the Focus, nowhere near as fast as a Porshe, why do Ford even bother, they're just crippling their cars on purpose ;)

It's a good camera, yes the Sony can do stuff the EOS R can't, guess what, the Canon can do things the Sony can't too, so pick what best suits you, go take pictures. If you want a higher specced Canon mirrorless camera, wait for the higher priced one to come out, then buy that one. Easy peasy...


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Sep 05, 2018 12:45 |  #80

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18701016 (external link)
...the Canon can do things the Sony can't too,

I'm not seeing that part of it for some reason.




  
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Sep 05, 2018 12:46 |  #81

samueli wrote in post #18701018 (external link)
I'm not seeing that part of it for some reason.

same here. I think its backwards. Sony can do things canon cant


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Sep 05, 2018 12:47 |  #82

Looks like RF mount has great potential. To me, this looks like mirrorless 5div. Except AF seems not as good for tracking action. But I am now seriously considering swapping my whole 5div setup. The only major letdown is that it has the same 1.7 crop in 4k which I am already used to anyway.
The advantages over 5div are significant:
- smaller size/weight
- EVF
- Better DPAF
- fully articulating screen
- Drop-in variable ND filter with EF lenses - convenient solution for video.
- Compressed 4k codec option
- RF 35mm f1.8 lens seems to be better than 35mm f2 IS, optically, size/weight and for video (stm)
- silent shutter
- Eye detect, smaller AF points (vs 5div live view)
- probably better bettery life than 5div in LV ( my most used mode)
- overall seems like a better choice for portrature/studio

Not interested in RF lenses, I like extra functionality of EF lenses with R body.




  
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Sep 05, 2018 12:49 |  #84

Talley wrote in post #18700965 (external link)
Sorry... Canon is done toying me around.

Funniest thing thing I've read in ages. Do you actually think the entire executive board sit around saying "hey, watch this, this will piss Talley off...."?
Your opinion is about is inconsequential as they come and you flatter yourself if you think otherwise
Boy did you give them Canon guys what fer tho' eh? Went right to Sony and spent even more money after spending a fortune on canon gear. That'll learn 'em eh???
Anyway, back on topic, this camera isn't really for me. Fps is too low and the sensor at 30 mpx is too big for what I post/print. Look forward to seeing where Canon go next though...




  
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Sep 05, 2018 12:51 |  #85

samueli wrote in post #18701018 (external link)
I'm not seeing that part of it for some reason.

Has the sony got drop in filters, programmable control rings on the lens etc as well as the usual Canon advantages like much better lens range, professional support etc?


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Sep 05, 2018 12:53 |  #86

Are you burning it as you hate it, or saying it's hot :)


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Sep 05, 2018 12:53 |  #87

Talley wrote in post #18701004 (external link)
Try watching my wifes videos from her XT-20 then watch her video of the A7iii.

IS/IBIS has a useful function. Yes we use our cameras to video. It's extremely nice to take photos, mash the record... capture video and then switch back to photos all in the same fluid motion of holding the same exact camera.

Sorry video is not in needs.

For stills I agree. But for video the IBIS takes out so much jitter it makes it acceptable to watch videos SOOC using any lens of choice.

for the most part, video can be done with a 24-105 IS and be just fine ...

for me.


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Sep 05, 2018 12:53 |  #88

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18701029 (external link)
Are you burning it as you hate it, or saying it's hot :)

indeed. it could be sony dropping the bomb or canon. lol

as usual, there is no reason to care much either way. the only reason I keep up with gear is to know which direction to head if my current stuff breaks down.


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Sep 05, 2018 12:59 |  #89

05Xrunner wrote in post #18700996 (external link)
you seem to buy into the marketing well.
So does 8fps(oops I mean 3fps with actual focus priority tracking) sound great
-6ev(oops I mean -6 with 1.2 lens at ISo 100 with single shot)
4k(heavy 1.7crop)
1 card slot(ok can live with..but WTF atleast give it a xqd or cfast card...give it some new tech)
5655 AF points(oops no thats marketing from what I hear you dont have selection of that)
1/8000 only shutter? What is with Nikon and canon offering this at the top shutter speed. In electronic shutter mode why cant it go higher. My fuji does 1/32000 in E-shutter
No continues shooting in silent shutter mode
its a mess that marketing is just doing its job to make it sound great
Price $400+ more than the Sony and $300 more than the Nikon and it is pretty much worse than both of those.

3fps is about right for me. I am pretty much always on SS anyways. I did a week safari in Kruger all in SS. Do models walking etc in SS. I just have not found a good reason for more FPS but that is just the way I shoot. No BIF etc

-6ev how does that compare with others? If I put a 1.2 on Sony or Nikon do I get -6ev?

4k- don't care

card slot- agree

FP seems you can put it anywhere you want with your finger. I care more about coverage. I hate when my focus needs are outside like happens on the A7RIII

SS - guess would be nice but really I would almost never use this. How does your fuji compare in other areas?


I currently have an A9 and been using using A7rIII a fair bit recently. I just don't think anything would change for me if I switched to this Canon.

How is the Nikon better?




  
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Sep 05, 2018 13:10 |  #90

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18701030 (external link)
for the most part, video can be done with a 24-105 IS and be just fine ...

for me.

Video with a prime that doesn't have IS. or a standard 2.8 zoom... last I checked canon won't be able to stabilize it.


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