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Sep 06, 2018 13:22 |  #211

Went to the B&H Live Demo on my lunch break. Gotta say, it felt pretty good on my hands, grip-wise. Also had them mount the 50 1.2. Did not feel heavy at all. And the EVF is very nice. That's all I was able to do for the few minutes I had with it. There were people waiting to get their hands on it as well. I asked if I can insert one of my SD cards. Was not allowed...oh well...

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Sep 06, 2018 13:30 |  #212

ed rader wrote in post #18701805 (external link)
is this the thread where all the chronically discontent Canon trolls meet? or are we discussing the new FF mirrorless?

Both.

The two are not mutually exclusive, you know. In fact, they fit together quite nicely into one conversation.

We are here to discuss the things about the new camera that we like, and also the things that we are not content with - all of the features and capabilities that Canon intentionally left out that we were really looking forward to.

Isn't that what threads on photography forums are supposed to be like? Were you wanting this discussion to be different than it is?


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Sep 06, 2018 13:34 |  #213

ed rader wrote in post #18701805 (external link)
is this the thread where all the chronically discontent Canon trolls meet? or are we discussing the new FF mirrorless?


In the words of the Great Tony Stark....

"Is it too much to ask for both?"

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EDIT: DANG Tom beat me to it.


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Sep 06, 2018 13:43 |  #214

Charlie wrote in post #18701245 (external link)
Rudy Winston clearly stated in his Canon video, that this camera is not meant to replace DSLR, but a complementary system.

....

The problem with this idea is that the vast majority of people don;t own a flock of camera bodies. I mean, yeah, I do! :) And many of us do here, but out there in the real world the idea of owning a gaggle of camera bodies is a little eccentric.


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Sep 06, 2018 14:14 |  #215

JeffreyG wrote in post #18701767 (external link)
I'm not much of a video guy, but as I understand it the main complaint with these heavy video crops is that it makes it quite difficult to use the camera out and about for stills and videos because the FOV range of the lenses between FF and 1.7x crop is pretty big. It also limits the video lens selection on the wide end quite a bit as a 14mm lens becomes just a regular old wide angle in video mode.

Quite a bit of video is shot in the wide angle range, and so if you are about with your 24-105 shooting stills, flipping to video mode suddenly means you have the FOV of a 41 - 176 zoom. So you need to carry around an UWA zoom at all times to shoot wide angle video, and UWA video is not possible.

Finally, you cannot shoot wide angle video with fast and wide primes (do people do this? I don't know). Because there are a dearth of primes that will fit RF mount, faster than f/2 and wider than 14mm.

I'm just trying to point out the bright side of 1:1 pixels for video. I hate aliasing, especially in video. You can't use a "6.8K" sensor full-width for 4K output without either softening (resampling; very computation-intensive) or spatially distorting ("line skipping") the output.




  
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Sep 06, 2018 14:28 |  #216

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My little drone does 12.5 stops at 10 bit dlog

It’s because it’s a song sensor tho :)

OK, if you really want more video DR (which is limited to codec)....go ahead and ditch consumer cameras and get a RED camera system that's able to do 16bit :p


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Sep 06, 2018 14:57 |  #217

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18701825 (external link)
The problem with this idea is that the vast majority of people don;t own a flock of camera bodies. I mean, yeah, I do! :) And many of us do here, but out there in the real world the idea of owning a gaggle of camera bodies is a little eccentric.

Which fact leads me to believe that this new camera is not really made for the general public - a.k.a. the 'vast majority', but rather is specifically marketed towards camera geeks and serious enthusiasts.

'Regular people' aren't really in the market for highly specialized gear, anyway, are they?


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Sep 06, 2018 15:23 |  #218

ed rader wrote in post #18701805 (external link)
is this the thread where all the chronically discontent Canon trolls meet? or are we discussing the new FF mirrorless?

Yup and Yup.

I'm here to talk about all the things that Canon should have done or won't do or did do. Just because I feel like picking at several items I don't like doesn't make me a troll.

...just agree to disagree bud.


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Sep 06, 2018 15:35 |  #219

I have read and learned a ton here over the years, but I rarely post. I posted this in response to the initial impressions review JCristina posted on YouTube. I'm re-posting it virtually verbatim here because with all of the bickering back and forth over this and that, I believe there are a lot of people out there like me who are reading this thread and probably feel a lot like I do.

I have been threatening for months to jump ship and go completely to Sony (III) after being a Canon fanboy and user since the AE-1 (original) in the late 70s. So much glass and owning a Mk III, an 80D, a 70D and a 6D made me rethink that and second-guess myself for going on 6 months now, and I'm still second guessing.

What the R system has done for me personally is it has bought me time. I'm going to sell the 70D and the 6D, and maybe even the 80D. I also am heavily vested in Sony on the APS-C side and I may make the split there, at least for now. I'll likely sell all of my Sony bodies and buy the new 7000 body and that line will become my go-to APS-C body. From the Canon sales, I'll buy the ring adapter and the R camera and that will become my FF "side of the house."

I'll live with my existing lens lineup including the 24-105 that came with my Mk III (on the R) and bide my time for another 6-12 months to see what the evolution is going to evolve into. If I don't like the direction, I'm out nothing. I can always punt again in a year or so if I need to. If I like the R as much as I think I will, I'll likely sell my Mk III and buy a grip also, something I have on all of my Canon bodies now.

I really want the "next" R. I think that will be the one. Don't we all? Honestly, if this camera (the R) wasn't a crop 4k, limited to 30p, and if it had 1080p/120, I'd be done. This camera would last me 5-7 years. Those are the only features it really appears to be lacking from my daily non-professional needs. I'm betting iteration 2 will have (at least) all three (60p@100, FF 4k and 1080p/120). In the meantime, I intend to fully enjoy finally using a Canon camera that actually SHOWS me what my photograph will be in the EVF as I compose, a feature I have enjoyed immensely on my Sony 6000, 6300 and 6500 and one that has been sorely lacking on my primary line up until now.

I can't wait to see what the UPS guy brings me in 3 weeks, nor what the future of this line brings in the upcoming months. Am I excited about this announcement? You betcha I am! Did they miss the boat? Maybe a little, but it's not $4kUS either. ;-)a




  
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Sep 06, 2018 15:41 |  #220

BTW, the poll is sorely lacking an "It's just about exactly what I expected from Canon on a first pass FF mirrorless" because that is EXACTLY how I feel. I voted for the top because it was the closest, but it's far from how I actually feel, as is option 2 which is miles from option 1.




  
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Sep 06, 2018 16:16 |  #221

gossamer88 wrote in post #18701806 (external link)
Went to the B&H Live Demo on my lunch break. Gotta say, it felt pretty good on my hands, grip-wise. Also had them mount the 50 1.2. Did not feel heavy at all. And the EVF is very nice. That's all I was able to do for the few minutes I had with it. There were people waiting to get their hands on it as well. I asked if I can insert one of my SD cards. Was not allowed...oh well...

That's my G9X next to it. It still dwarfed it LOL!

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You are now the most qualified in this thread to comment on the camera. I'm jealous I don't live near a big store like that.


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Sep 06, 2018 16:29 as a reply to  @ post 18701728 |  #222

That post I replied to didn't feel like bantering... ;) But in any case, we will let others higher up in the food chain decide. :D

Talley has always had a bit of drama with his gear changes, I remember the early days of different bodies and lenses, then I watched the move to Sony with interest, because I think we shoot some of the same kinds of things.


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Sep 06, 2018 16:52 |  #223

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18701898 (external link)
I have read and learned a ton here over the years, but I rarely post. I posted this in response to the initial impressions review JCristina posted on YouTube. I'm re-posting it virtually verbatim here because with all of the bickering back and forth over this and that, I believe there are a lot of people out there like me who are reading this thread and probably feel a lot like I do.

I have been threatening for months to jump ship and go completely to Sony (III) after being a Canon fanboy and user since the AE-1 (original) in the late 70s. So much glass and owning a Mk III, an 80D, a 70D and a 6D made me rethink that and second-guess myself for going on 6 months now, and I'm still second guessing.

What the R system has done for me personally is it has bought me time. I'm going to sell the 70D and the 6D, and maybe even the 80D. I also am heavily vested in Sony on the APS-C side and I may make the split there, at least for now. I'll likely sell all of my Sony bodies and buy the new 7000 body and that line will become my go-to APS-C body. From the Canon sales, I'll buy the ring adapter and the R camera and that will become my FF "side of the house."

I'll live with my existing lens lineup including the 24-105 that came with my Mk III (on the R) and bide my time for another 6-12 months to see what the evolution is going to evolve into. If I don't like the direction, I'm out nothing. I can always punt again in a year or so if I need to. If I like the R as much as I think I will, I'll likely sell my Mk III and buy a grip also, something I have on all of my Canon bodies now.

I really want the "next" R. I think that will be the one. Don't we all? Honestly, if this camera (the R) wasn't a crop 4k, limited to 30p, and if it had 1080p/120, I'd be done. This camera would last me 5-7 years. Those are the only features it really appears to be lacking from my daily non-professional needs. I'm betting iteration 2 will have (at least) all three (60p@100, FF 4k and 1080p/120). In the meantime, I intend to fully enjoy finally using a Canon camera that actually SHOWS me what my photograph will be in the EVF as I compose, a feature I have enjoyed immensely on my Sony 6000, 6300 and 6500 and one that has been sorely lacking on my primary line up until now.

I can't wait to see what the UPS guy brings me in 3 weeks, nor what the future of this line brings in the upcoming months. Am I excited about this announcement? You betcha I am! Did they miss the boat? Maybe a little, but it's not $4kUS either. ;-)a

It's been interesting to watch the evolution of camera gear. I was pretty jazzed when I first got my Nikon FE with a motor drive and aperture priority auto-exposure. Everything else was manual. The feature set was pretty limited (I guess I'm dating myself here.). It's somewhat funny to look at the specs on the cameras that are now available and see people complain with such wailing and gnashing of teeth about what spec or feature the camera doesn't have. I know the feature set is all relative, and well, people need something to complain about (first world complaints at that). The EOS R looks to be a quite capable camera and probably a lot more camera than the average user needs or will ever use. Part of what's noteworthy with this release is that Canon released a EOS R ecosystem, not just a camera body. Kudos to them for taking that approach. Will I buy it? Probably not. I simply don't need any more gear (famous last words). But it has perked my interest to see what might come in the EOS R Mark II, or whatever else Canon has waiting in the wings :-).




  
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Sep 06, 2018 16:53 |  #224

John Sheehy wrote in post #18701840 (external link)
I'm just trying to point out the bright side of 1:1 pixels for video. I hate aliasing, especially in video. You can't use a "6.8K" sensor full-width for 4K output without either softening (resampling; very computation-intensive) or spatially distorting ("line skipping") the output.

So the crop is going to be 3840 x 2160 taken from the middle of the 6720 x 4480 max resolution for 1:1 pixels in 4k?

Makes me think that video quality will be quite alright, but the crop and relative lens range is the distraction.




  
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Sep 06, 2018 16:57 |  #225

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So the crop is going to be 3840 x 2160 taken from the middle of the 6720 x 4480 max resolution for 1:1 pixels in 4k?

Makes me think that video quality will be quite alright, but the crop and relative lens range is the distraction.

Correct... Somebody pops a 24mm lens on the camera, and they get a 4K video at 40mm. They would have to go to a 14mm lens, and a) that is a bit difficult to do, selections are thin and b) then one has to deal with any distortion that might occur with the UWA, and c) one would have to have basically 2 lenses, one for video and one for stills.


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