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Sep 06, 2018 23:02 |  #286

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There is nothing an A9 does that a 1Dx2 cant do or the 1Dx2 does better than the A9

prove me wrong. I doubt anyone can

The 1Dx2 is an amazing camera, but some of the advantages of the A9 are:

EyeAF
20fps
Larger buffer in RAW/RAW+JPG
Faster max shutter speed (1/32000)
Slightly more resolution
Better AF area coverage/more AF points
MUCH lighter
More available lenses (native + adapted)
... and you could almost add an A7iii for the price difference.

Sure, the 1Dx2 has:
Larger JPG buffer
better battery life
better build
Higher max ISO (although DXOMark rates the A9 a tiny bit better)
More lenses available natively
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Sep 06, 2018 23:05 |  #287

davesrose wrote in post #18702194 (external link)
Videographers say Super-35 is better (which is 1.5 crop on the A7iii), because it has less rolling shutter and image quality isn’t much different in practice. Also because of the difference in aspect ratios, they’ve noticed FF has a slight stretched vertical distortion.

That's an opinion I don't really agree with.

The Phillip blooms of the world record full frame, and with non 4K footage, Canon's record FF.

While the A7R3 has better Super 35 than FF, I'm of the opinion that the differences are purely academic. I actually use BOTH modes quite a bit, but it's not for IQ, it's for focal length flexibility. A 28-75 f2.8 can zoom to near 200mm f2.8, which can get you interesting B-roll.

I'm perfectly fine with Crop/Super 35 for video, just cant take away my FF mode, because wide angle is primary video most of the time. Video and Stills are not the same, so in video, I have no issue at all with Super 35, but I do have issue with shooting crop full time on a FF camera. In video, you only need 8mp of data, and somewhat limited to latitude, while photography is vastly different.

Focal length is the reason you want the ability to avoid 4K crop. Shooting with primes as explained earlier, and you're SOL.


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Sep 07, 2018 00:54 |  #288

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18700918 (external link)
PS for those that HATE cleaning their sensor, the EF lens adapter with the clear drop in filter installed will prevent any dust getting on your sensor.

A big plus for air show shooters. I could swap lenses at an air field and not risk sensor dust. Nice!


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Sep 07, 2018 01:43 |  #289

Charlie wrote in post #18701617 (external link)
Digital IS can be done in post....

IBIS makes a big difference.

There are so many lenses that lack IS to keep size down and simple to make. I don't think Samyang makes a single lens with IS, and these days, they make AF lenses!!! Not a single sigma prime has IS.

So the Sigma primes with OIS, do you exclude them due to the 'O' ?


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Sep 07, 2018 04:12 |  #290

Naturalist wrote in post #18702028 (external link)
This **** is just so confusing, full frame, crop, EF, then EF-S and now ER....I'm going back to film and to hell with this... :)

Yea, but what size of film? You'll have all the same problems to consider ;-)a


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Sep 07, 2018 04:33 |  #291

Choderboy wrote in post #18702265 (external link)
So the Sigma primes with OIS, do you exclude them due to the 'O' ?

I know the zooms have OIS, maybe a vintage prime somewhere? 14 art through 135 art, don't recall any of them having OIS.


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Sep 07, 2018 04:42 |  #292

davesrose wrote in post #18702194 (external link)
Videographers say Super-35 is better (which is 1.5 crop on the A7iii), because it has less rolling shutter and image quality isn’t much different in practice. Also because of the difference in aspect ratios, they’ve noticed FF has a slight stretched vertical distortion.

FYI, the rolling shutter is not always true, the EOS R has worse rolling shutter in crop 4K than FF 1080p as seen in Kai's hands on.


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Sep 07, 2018 04:52 |  #293

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18702193 (external link)
Well the A73 does have over the 5D4:

- USB 3.1
- 10fps
- Slightly better DR
- IBIS
- Eye AF
- Can use a myriad of other lenses, Canon, Sony and other lenses
- Real time viewing of exposure in the viewfinder
- Silent shooting
- Supports UHS II cards
- Price
- Tilt screen

5D4 has:

- More resolution
- Faster startup
- Better rear screen
- Built in GPS
- Top display
- Possibly longer battery life
- Better menu structure, possibly better ergonomics for many

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Sep 07, 2018 04:56 |  #294

Charlie wrote in post #18702331 (external link)
I know the zooms have OIS, maybe a vintage prime somewhere? 14 art through 135 art, don't recall any of them having OIS.

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Sep 07, 2018 05:05 |  #295

Trying to work out what the adapters cost is making my brain hurt.

B&H:
Standard $399.99 B&H # CAMAEFRF MFR # 2971C002
With Drop-In CPL $99.99 B&H # CAMAEFRFDICP MFR # 3442C002
With Drop-In ND $299.99 B&H # CAMAEFRFDIND MFR # 3443C002 Includes Drop-In Variable ND Filter A
With Control Ring $199.99 B&H # CAMAEFRFCR MFR # 2972C002

Obviously the $99.99 deal with CPL would be my pick.
I assume new product so website needs some tuning.


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Sep 07, 2018 05:26 |  #296

Just saw that the grip is $490.00! Never seen a Canon grip priced that high...OY!


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Sep 07, 2018 05:38 as a reply to  @ gossamer88's post |  #297

Weird, here it shows up at 329€, same price as the 5D4 one.


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Sep 07, 2018 05:58 |  #298

I was listening to the Master Photography podcast, it was so funny to hear them discussing the camera when they didn't even have a hands on or know much about it.

I think most people don't realize and think Canon are copying Sony with the touch and drag AF but this was actually included on the M5 and honestly works a bit better than on my A7III, I think mostly due to the touch screen being better on the Canon.

They also didn't know that Eye AF works in Servo on the EOS R and kept going on about how it only works in AF-S.


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Sep 07, 2018 06:00 |  #299

Dlee13 wrote in post #18702112 (external link)
As I don't know much about video, something confuses me.

I seen a lot of reviews of the A7III say that it's video is better in super 35 mode. Now that has a 1.6x crop so I don't get what the big issue is around Canon cropping their FF video (aside from the lens issues)?

Why is everybody missing the most important thing? Everybody's talking about crop and lenses, and while that's certainly important and crippling, it's not about the impact of the lenses. It's about the LIGHT! More importantly, it's about the lack thereof. Here we sit with an entire FF sensor to catch buckets of light in dark environments and we have to settle for essentially the abilities of an APS-C. That's the big deal with me, and by far and away the biggest negative to cropped 35.




  
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Sep 07, 2018 06:14 |  #300

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18702352 (external link)
Why is everybody missing the most important thing? Everybody's talking about crop and lenses, and while that's certainly important and crippling, it's not about the impact of the lenses. It's about the LIGHT! More importantly, it's about the lack thereof. Here we sit with an entire FF sensor to catch buckets of light in dark environments and we have to settle for essentially the abilities of an APS-C. That's the big deal with me, and by far and away the biggest negative to cropped 35.

Well I wasn't joking when I said I know nothing about video. The only things I know are from reviews and when they talk about video features during RAW Talk.

I am personally never worried about video features as I don't shoot any video and don't really have any plans to any time soon.


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