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Sep 11, 2018 20:54 |  #706

sploo wrote in post #18705416 (external link)
Exactly. If the camera knows the lens model/name then it can discern whether it's an EF or EF-S lens; regardless of age.

However, I'd assume there might be a specific flag in the lens identification to indicate if it's an EF-S lens; otherwise a brand new design of EF-S lens on even a current body (whose firmware was released before the introduction of that lens) wouldn't work correctly, as the camera wouldn't be able to look up the model number/name.

Probably a good test will be when someone mounts a few third party crop lenses on an EOS R; if they're detected as crop lenses then I assume there must be a flag (that should be set correctly by the third party manufacturer), as I doubt Canon would have added lots of third party lenses to the R's database.

It's easy (and expected) to update the camera's lens database from the online source. Just start up EOS Utility and plug in the camera. Do it when you buy a newly released lens.

It ought to be possible for 3rd party lensmakers to duplicate this process--to provide a utility and an online source for their own lenses that can be run in the same way to update cameras as EOS Utility does.




  
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Sep 11, 2018 20:56 |  #707

Charlie wrote in post #18706030 (external link)
when you're the top of the hill, you dont need no roadmap, keep people guessing, change plans if needed.

Nikon is struggling, so they need to stop the bleeding.

That isn't how corporations work... they definitely have a roadmap, and are actively engaged at different points in development on multiple fronts.


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Sep 11, 2018 21:05 |  #708

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18706034 (external link)
That isn't how corporations work... they definitely have a roadmap, and are actively engaged at different points in development on multiple fronts.

Referring to a public roadmap, hence the Nikon reference.


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Sep 11, 2018 21:17 |  #709

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18706034 (external link)
That isn't how corporations work... they definitely have a roadmap, and are actively engaged at different points in development on multiple fronts.

Indeed. Hardware features such as sensors, number of card slots, and body construction require development that is planned well in advance. Many features, however, are implemented in firmware, and can be added or fine-tuned on shorter notice, based on feedback from the marketplace.

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Sep 11, 2018 21:39 |  #710

Charlie wrote in post #18706030 (external link)
when you're the top of the hill, you dont need no roadmap, keep people guessing, change plans if needed.

Nikon is struggling, so they need to stop the bleeding.

releasing a $6k 50mm .95 manual focus only lens is stop the bleeding???


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Sep 11, 2018 22:11 |  #711

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Fro also thinks this may be the start of the end of the DSLR - the EVF was so good even Kelby liked it a lot, and is taking the camera with him for a 2 month trip.

I read this at Ken Rockwell's page a couple of days ago, this was specifically about the EOS R. Whatever you might think of him, this sounds correct, I don't see that a mirror adds anything to a camera if you think of it that way -

I've been shooting for over fifty years. I can tell what's a significant game-changer and what's just the usual baloney from marketing departments. Mirrorless is the future and you're looking right at it.

New DSLRs will still come out and still be sold in the coming years, just as new 35mm rangefinder cameras were still bought and sold through the 1960s, but SLRs and DSLRs have ruled the world since the 1970s and now it's mirrorless' decade as of the 2020s.

We'll will still have new DSLRs sold for several years to people who still want to milk what life they can out of their old systems while Canon and Nikon develop complete mirrorless lens lines, but in ten years, DSLRs will have gone the way of film.


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Sep 12, 2018 01:21 |  #712

On Canon's website it lists the shipping date of October 9th for the camera and a couple of the lens. That's sooner than I thought.

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Sep 12, 2018 02:00 |  #713

Solpics11 wrote in post #18706144 (external link)
On Canon's website it lists the shipping date of October 9th for the camera and a couple of the lens. That's sooner than I thought.

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …VK-3470&PRO=&CID=1-XH1BN1 (external link)

It's quite interesting because usually the shipping date is quite a bit after the announcement and Nikon have theirs announced and shipping faster.

I wonder if the quick turn around time is to get as many sales as they can before they announce the higher end model...


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Sep 12, 2018 02:02 |  #714

preordering has started. Everyone who actually tried handling the camera liked it a lot. If you are thinking of getting one, consider 24-105 bundle because this lens won’t be available standalone until at least December. I did exactly that. From what I am reading, rf 24-105 seems to be the best lens in this range on the market optically and also best OIS and nano USM. I will have an opportunity to evaluate the camera and lenses hands-on this Friday. If I like its handling and performance much more than my 5div, then preorder stays and 5d goes on sale. Unfortunately, 35mm f1.8 won’t be available until December. On paper, I consider EOS R a significant upgrade from 5div in every way that matters to my hybrid shooting.




  
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Sep 12, 2018 02:12 |  #715

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18706026 (external link)
Well, a few days later, in an interview with Canon, they did exactly that. They stated that there would be one lower and one higher than the EOS-R. I keep seeing folks thinking that there will be 2 higher models, but that isn't what seemed to be put out there by the Canon exec.

I find it hard to imagine folks interested in lower models, not much can be taken away really; besides Canon seems to position EOS R as a premium system as opposed to more budget friendly EF mount that is not going anywhere.




  
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Sep 12, 2018 02:26 |  #716

patrick j wrote in post #18706075 (external link)
I read this at Ken Rockwell's page a couple of days ago, this was specifically about the EOS R. ...

We'll will still have new DSLRs sold for several years to people who still want to milk what life they can out of their old systems while Canon and Nikon develop complete mirrorless lens lines, but in ten years, DSLRs will have gone the way of film.


Gone the way of film... like coming back with surprising interest? :twisted: (Sorry, I'm a film shooter!).

Here's an interesting thought though...
in a way this is all coming full circle. SLRs were not the original professional 35mm camera...mirrorless rangefinders were (thinking of the Leica I or Leica Ia here). 35mm started mirrorless... and 35mm sensors are going back to it.

Hm... might ruminate on that some...late night thoughts.


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Sep 12, 2018 02:27 |  #717

artsf wrote in post #18706148 (external link)
I find it hard to imagine folks interested in lower models, not much can be taken away really; besides Canon seems to position EOS R as a premium system as opposed to more budget friendly EF mount that is not going anywhere.

If the more budget friendly system is a crop sensor version with faster AF and many more FPS I could see it being very popular.


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Sep 12, 2018 02:35 |  #718

Hugh B delivers his thoughtful analysis..perhaps the most thoughtful yet.
https://youtu.be/MIrrl​Fu5ynM (external link)


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Sep 12, 2018 03:44 |  #719

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18705629 (external link)
I believe he was a Nikon ambassador about 4 years ago and then switched to Canon.

Some of his answers make sense, like get an SL2 if you want to save weight, it is lighter than many of the mirrorless. However his other answers are quite flippant, and quite frankly I (and most others) don't care about how we used to shoot with one card, the norm now has been 2 slots for several years now. This is why the 1D series has had dual slots, and as Canon makes the other models more "pro" oriented like the 5D3/5D4 and 7D2, those have dual slots.

If Canon didn't want the EOS-R to be considered as a pro camera, they should have found a way to market this a bit better. They came out and said that the 6D was a consumer level FF, they should have done the same here with the EOS-R and clearly called out their roadmap going forward. However instead, they say that the EOS-R is a mid-level (but one slot). That isn't consistent with the 7D2/5D series having two slots also being mid level. Canon is full of inconsistencies!

sometimes I shoot using live view mode like a mirrorless camera. It's a hybrid DSLR and Mirrorless with the Canon's dual pixel AF.

sometimes I do not understand the weight / volume issue when the glass is considered altogether with the body from a solution perspective.  :p


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Sep 12, 2018 03:47 |  #720

RDKirk wrote in post #18706031 (external link)
It's easy (and expected) to update the camera's lens database from the online source. Just start up EOS Utility and plug in the camera. Do it when you buy a newly released lens.

It ought to be possible for 3rd party lensmakers to duplicate this process--to provide a utility and an online source for their own lenses that can be run in the same way to update cameras as EOS Utility does.

Yes to the camera manufacturer releasing camera firmware updates for new lenses, but the only way a third party could do it would be to either hack that process, or if the OEM provided an open protocol/format for adding lenses to a camera's database. I suspect that the latter wouldn't happen as the OEMs do seem to prefer closed systems.


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