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Sep 12, 2018 10:01 |  #766

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18706343 (external link)
Just caught up on last nights 75 posts,. no direct replies to anything said, but two thoughts for your consideration;

1- Canon and Nikon release their first FF mirror-less systems to luke warm reception, and half the internet predicts the immediate demise of the SLR. Don't you think we need a little more time perfecting the mirrorless before SLR is dead? Even the most prolific SONY advocates on the forum are claiming that the A7RIII can't match the responsiveness of the 5D4. Won't the SLR and Mirrorless live side by side for a long time as two different tools?

2- As much as this camera appeals to me, as a Canon shooter primarily, with a vast collection of native lenses, the "best ergonomics" many reviewers have said, and "unbelievable" AF is another recurring theme,.. I can;t help but consider the price of this offering vs. say for example, this one;
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …a.html/?c3ch=CS​E&c3nid=98 (external link)

$1,500.00 gets you Fujit's 3rd gen top of the line Xt3, with 5 axis IBIS, a full compliment of small portable lenses, and most of the bells and whistles that everyone wants.

It's a bit of a quandary when we try to assign value, bang for your buck.

this quick review doesnt paint the AF as being all that spectacular and adapted glass still has quirks being really not much better than adapting to Sony bodies
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=kslINVtcWYk&​t=520s (external link)

ohh and the XT3 doesnt have IBIS but still is packed full of features they didnt seem to hold back on


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Sep 12, 2018 10:02 |  #767

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18706343 (external link)
Just caught up on last nights 75 posts,. no direct replies to anything said, but two thoughts for your consideration;

1- Canon and Nikon release their first FF mirror-less systems to luke warm reception, and half the internet predicts the immediate demise of the SLR. Don't you think we need a little more time perfecting the mirrorless before SLR is dead? Even the most prolific SONY advocates on the forum are claiming that the A7RIII can't match the responsiveness of the 5D4. Won't the SLR and Mirrorless live side by side for a long time as two different tools?

2- As much as this camera appeals to me, as a Canon shooter primarily, with a vast collection of native lenses, the "best ergonomics" many reviewers have said, and "unbelievable" AF is another recurring theme,.. I can;t help but consider the price of this offering vs. say for example, this one;
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …a.html/?c3ch=CS​E&c3nid=98 (external link)

$1,500.00 gets you Fujit's 3rd gen top of the line Xt3, with 5 axis IBIS, a full compliment of small portable lenses, and most of the bells and whistles that everyone wants.

It's a bit of a quandary when we try to assign value, bang for your buck.

Fuji doesnt have IBIS, and battery life is only on par with Canon, and buffer is fairly small, so it does have issues.

it's absolutely a huge upgrade to the previous model, and that's the difference you see with a hungry company that doesnt hold back. The A7iii has an 80 shot buffer, 10fps, IBIS, and double the battery capacity, arguably a more rounded approach.

either way, these companies are coming out with killer cameras, and they are competing with Canon/Nikon now, you can only ignore them so long. The whole release of the R/Z system is due to the fact that Canon Nikon ignored so long, that they could no longer. They still pretend that Sony and Fuji dont exist  :p


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Sep 12, 2018 10:03 |  #768

sploo wrote in post #18706335 (external link)
I suspect the "smaller sensors" (assuming you mean fewer MP) is probably more about what's normal for a particular type of shooting in any given era. I suspect if you supplied 5MP files to a sports magazine these days it would be considered a bit low, 50MP files would be considered rather high.

I think by "smaller sensors" he meant APS-C size sensors which have a higher resolving power (pixel density, not total MP) than full frame, at least in the current Canon lineup. This gives an advantage to shooters who primarily use telephotos on small/distant subjects.

The EOS 70D, T6s/T6i, 77D, 80D, and 7D Mark II all have more pixels--and therefore greater resolving power--than the 50MP 5DS in its central 22.5 x 15 mm, despite having "only" between 20 and 24 MP.

(All else being equal, of course, since there are other factors that affect resolving power than just pixel density.)

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EDIT forgot to put T6s/T6i and 77D on my list of 20+ MP crop bodies. :)


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Sep 12, 2018 10:04 |  #769

05Xrunner wrote in post #18706362 (external link)
this quick review doesnt paint the AF as being all that spectacular and adapted glass still has quirks
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=kslINVtcWYk&​t=520s (external link)

ohh and the XT3 doesnt have IBIS but still is packed full of features they didnt seem to hold back on

I confused it with the X-H1, oops.
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Sep 12, 2018 10:13 |  #770

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18706367 (external link)
I confused it with the X-H1, oops.
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …html?kw=FUXH1B&​ap=y&smp=y (external link)

I guess Fujifilm is just as guilty of holding off features of their higher-end models.


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Sep 12, 2018 10:13 |  #771

sploo wrote in post #18706303 (external link)
OK, only 1.5x the maximum CFast rate ;-)a (but 50% compression is probably optimistic as an average; especially for high ISO files)

We don't know what the internal memory/buffer can handle with speeds. We are talking buffer... not the memory transfer rate like you are.


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Sep 12, 2018 10:41 |  #772

05Xrunner wrote in post #18706362 (external link)
this quick review doesnt paint the AF as being all that spectacular and adapted glass still has quirks being really not much better than adapting to Sony bodies
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=kslINVtcWYk&​t=520s (external link)

ohh and the XT3 doesnt have IBIS but still is packed full of features they didnt seem to hold back on

That plug in charging is as ridiculous as Nikon's battery pack. Dumbest thing I've seen.


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Sep 12, 2018 10:50 |  #773

The main thing this camera tells me is that Canon is serious about going mirrorless and that there's going to be another change of lens mount.

I don't have a need to upgrade right now, but this tells me that I'll go mirrorless when I do, and gives me a roadmap to plan my expenditures. For one thing, I'm for sure not going to buy a 70-200 f2.8 L IS version III.

I'm fine with that. By the time my business requires me to upgrade, I expect Canon will have the right camera for me to upgrade to.




  
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Sep 12, 2018 10:51 |  #774

RDKirk wrote in post #18706402 (external link)
The main thing this camera tells me is that Canon is serious about going mirrorless and that there's going to be another change of lens mount.

I don't have a need to upgrade right now, but this tells me that I'll go mirrorless when I do, and gives me a roadmap to plan my expenditures. For one thing, I'm for sure not going to buy a 70-200 f2.8 L IS version III.

I'm fine with that. By the time my business requires me to upgrade, I expect Canon will have the right camera for me to upgrade to.

That's the thing though. With all those new EF mount announcements, Canon is not done with DSLR yet.


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Sep 12, 2018 10:53 |  #775

Charlie wrote in post #18706393 (external link)
That plug in charging is as ridiculous as Nikon's battery pack. Dumbest thing I've seen.

agreed. WTF. I love that feature on the fuji/sony where I can set the camera up on the tripod and mount a usb battery pack and connect it to the camera. all day and barely used the battery pack and internal battery was at 88% Some 4500 photos and some video taken.


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Sep 12, 2018 10:58 |  #776

gossamer88 wrote in post #18706403 (external link)
That's the thing though. With all those new EF mount announcements, Canon is not done with DSLR yet.

No, they aren't. Because those DSLR's will be around for years still. But the lenses being released and rumored for the RF mount to me shows that Canon expects the RF lenses and cameras will eventually have parity with the DSLR's and EF lenses of today. When that truly happens, you'll probably start to see the real shift over to RF.

There are also the EF mount cinema lenses and that area may be around longer.




  
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Sep 12, 2018 11:08 |  #777

Charlie wrote in post #18706393 (external link)
That plug in charging is as ridiculous as Nikon's battery pack. Dumbest thing I've seen.

leave it to canon to do something like that. Another reason this camera is just blahhh. So many marketing hype up and when you see more of the fine print of actual abilities it gets worse and worse.


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Sep 12, 2018 11:31 |  #778

If this EOS-R would of had dual cards, then I would have ordered one. Lots of reasons why but mainly I would have taken it out with an adapter and tested all my L glass. If it worked w/o any lag time I keep it. If not it goes back

I will remind everyone

No definite word on how any adapters from canon will work with existing L lens

Until that is defined, the EOS-R will remain a question mark for many, including myself

If you have to jump all in and Buy R lens then I feel many current mount customers will not jump into mirrorless and we will stay with what we have. At least I know I will

But.....IF........the adapters work, then it gives current canon shooters a reason to jump into Mirrorless with little hesitation. And, If we want to update glass we can elect to Buy R lens or L lens.....This would be huge for canon shooters

Thats where my head is at right now will all of this

Dual cards are a must and will the adapters work. Two major stumbling blocks for Canon to overcome. If either one is not 100% right I wont buy mirrorless. And I feel many Canon shooters are in the same boat


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Sep 12, 2018 11:32 |  #779

Charlie wrote in post #18706393 (external link)
That plug in charging is as ridiculous as Nikon's battery pack. Dumbest thing I've seen.

I didn't notice, no battery charger with the R?
For most of us that's no big deal, using the same battery that's been around since the 5D2, compatible chargers are readily available for those that prefer it.

I just read here recently someone that prefers NOT to have a charger for the mirror-less kit as it reduces how much you have to pack. That's certainly not how I role, but to each his own.


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Sep 12, 2018 11:36 |  #780

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18706434 (external link)
I didn't notice, no battery charger with the R?
For most of us that's no big deal, using the same battery that's been around since the 5D2, compatible chargers are readily available for those that prefer it.

I just read here recently someone that prefers NOT to have a charger for the mirror-less kit as it reduces how much you have to pack. That's certainly not how I role, but to each his own.

Canon USA's page on the R lists "Battery Charger LC-E6" under "What's in the box".
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