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Sep 15, 2018 14:08 |  #946

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One has to wonder what are non-fans of L glass (best lenses in the world) doing on Canon forum.....
..I have never met a loyal Sony customer

I thought this was a canon forum?.. and now just a Photography forum?

also.. I'm curious … what is a "loyal sony customer"?


Perhaps i'm picking up on this conversation in the middle and so i'm not getting it..

customers should be loyal to brands?


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Sep 15, 2018 14:25 |  #947

rantercsr wrote in post #18708594 (external link)
I thought this was a canon forum?.. and now just a Photography forum?

also.. I'm curious … what is a "loyal sony customer"?

Perhaps i'm picking up on this conversation in the middle and so i'm not getting it..

customers should be loyal to brands?

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Sep 15, 2018 14:38 |  #948

IT WAS A CANON FORUM BEFORE ALL THE KIDS CAME ALONG AND TRAMPLED MY GRASS WITH THEIR DURNED NEEEKONS AND SOH-NEES :twisted:


I think it evolved when more and more people found it as just a great photo forum that was better organized that many others... it became a much broader resource, and I think that's a good thing.


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Sep 15, 2018 14:44 |  #949

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I think it would be a mistake to drag out the switch to the RF mount across the board.

As I said earlier, I was one of the people with a big FD mount investment, and I was angry with Canon for a decade when they dropped it.

But now, I think it's the best way to handle such things. As far as I'm concerned, the RF adapter is all they should do for the sake of EF mount owners (and a lot more than we had for the FD mount).

I think they'd do best by getting out their pro-model RF mount bodies and not releasing anything else, either lenses or bodies, in EF mount. They really shouldn't have released that last update of the 70-200 zoom.

I think the fact that they've released some new and unique high-end lens designs in RF mount indicates that they've moved their top designers to that line. They won't keep the heads of their top designers in the EF shop.

In the past 6 months I've made significant EF lens purchases to fill out my kit. Even if I liked the EOS R I wouldn't be purchasing any lenses for likely 3-5 years, and those wouldn't be any real staple lenses. My recent 24-70 and 16-35 where serious purchases that are meant to cover me for many years. I'm like collateral damage in all of this. To bad my tiny purchases don't affect Canon, cause they really stuck the budget customers with bad timing.




  
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Sep 15, 2018 14:49 |  #950

rantercsr wrote in post #18708594 (external link)
I thought this was a canon forum?.. and now just a Photography forum?

also.. I'm curious … what is a "loyal sony customer"?

Perhaps i'm picking up on this conversation in the middle and so i'm not getting it..

customers should be loyal to brands?


I swear it used to be a Canon forum. I was out for a bit, and came back; It was like a twilight zone episode. I just go on as if it's always been this way.




  
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Sep 15, 2018 14:52 |  #951

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I'm a Canon/Sony/Fuji shooter. I see the discussion of colour science in Sony.

I seldom read Canon users discussing the difference in how the images in wildlife and landscape/cityscape look different vs other brands. Sony renders real to life images both in small and large apertures that has a much different look than Canon or Fuji.

Very apparent when looking at the Sony forum in how the system renders images compared to Canon.

It's a matter of how you post process. The way my 5dmk4 reacts in LR is different to Sony and Fuji. Shadow slider reacts differently between the 3 different RAW files I edit.

"I can think that" because I do notice a big variance between 3 different RAW files I deal with my gear. Many here just deal with 1 system with predetermined colour science the "brand" they shoot. Kind of like "it is what it is..."

I could have rephrased and left out colour science. How a brand renders our subjects can be quite different shooting the identical scenery.

What does this have to do with EOS-R???? It'll be Canon render. My 5dmk2 virtually had identical looking images as my 5dmk3. The 5dmk4 on the other hand has more micro contrast and is visually different than the older models. Infact I find the sharpness of the 5dmk4 improved using identical lenses I've used with my 5d2/3.

Sony with adapted Canon glass. Just a quick snap render of how the image looks sharp, contrasty, not far from what we see with our unedited eyes.
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Here's my Fuji with 55-200. Very bright sunny day and no way did this look like this with my unedited eyes. I'd have to try real hard to make Sony achieve a canvas/painterly look. It has an art like component that looks fantastic on print. My point is different "render" that I seldom ever hear on the Sony forum.
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Where does Canon color rate in comparision to unedited eyes in your opinion?




  
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Sep 15, 2018 14:58 |  #952

Talley wrote in post #18708600 (external link)
Photography on the net - POTN = photography. I do believe this means all imagery. Also, I'm loyal to my wife, kids and my money. :)

Talley,

I don't think you're loyal to your hard earned money...... you go through sooooo many Bejamin's like a naughty player :P

How else do you have a reputation of owning so much camera gear over the years :P :)


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Sep 15, 2018 15:06 |  #953

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Where does Canon color rate in comparision to unedited eyes in your opinion?

Pleasant!!

Everything needs to be edited so please I wont be silly.......

Fuji colours are very pleasant virtually straight out of camera. I think Fuji has put effort into cooking some "fuji character" with film presets in their RAW. Looking at Sony, Canon and Fuji RAW files unmodified each has different flavours.

I've been a Canon user so I'm use to the Canon colour science which really doesn't seem like it's changed. I'm a new adopter of Sony so even my A7iii is apparently "better" than the older generation colours the older models outputted.

The Fuji system i really appreciate when I use it in good light. It's really an eyecandy type of file but this is my opinion as the files do seem more processed coming out of a RAW file. Some may argue which is fine with me....... The look of Fuji files does have this calm look to it in many cases with minor easy peasy post processing.

Colour science is a personal thing. I do find Sony colours to be more aggressive and in your face intense but when I manipulate with my Xrite passport preset's I do find Sony colour science to be tamed and less vibrant/aggressive. This is all about personal work flow in how we deal with RAW files I guess. I do hear this often with locals when we shoot the breeze as many own Canon as well as Sony now.


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Sep 15, 2018 15:22 |  #954

RDKirk wrote in post #18708566 (external link)
But now, I think it's the best way to handle such things. As far as I'm concerned, the RF adapter is all they should do for the sake of EF mount owners (and a lot more than we had for the FD mount).

I’d always heard that Canon did briefly make a pretty good FD-EF adapter, but looking around for info on the web, it sounds like it was limited to just the longer teles. It was also like $250 in the late 1980s, which is around $500 today. There was also a lens in it, due to the EF lenses having a slightly longer flange distance (plus the length of the adapter itself), which gave a small teleconverter effect.

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Sep 15, 2018 15:37 |  #955

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In the past 6 months I've made significant EF lens purchases to fill out my kit. Even if I liked the EOS R I wouldn't be purchasing any lenses for likely 3-5 years, and those wouldn't be any real staple lenses. My recent 24-70 and 16-35 where serious purchases that are meant to cover me for many years. I'm like collateral damage in all of this. To bad my tiny purchases don't affect Canon, cause they really stuck the budget customers with bad timing.

I don’t understand your aggravation. Those lenses and your existing body/ies will still work. Canon is still (rumored to be) planning new EF body releases, even full frame, just as they did with FD bodies for 4-5 years after the EOS system was introduced. If you see your new lenses as 3-5 year purchases as you say, I think you should be fine.

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Sep 15, 2018 15:42 |  #956

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IT WAS A CANON FORUM BEFORE ALL THE KIDS CAME ALONG AND TRAMPLED MY GRASS WITH THEIR DURNED NEEEKONS AND SOH-NEES :twisted:


I think it evolved when more and more people found it as just a great photo forum that was better organized that many others... it became a much broader resource, and I think that's a good thing.

Stupid kids.

The evolution was part of Pekka's home-built software upgrade. Definitely a plus. Same kind of long term thinking that brought us EF and now RF. :D

samueli wrote in post #18708615 (external link)
I swear it used to be a Canon forum. I was out for a bit, and came back; It was like a twilight zone episode. I just go on as if it's always been this way.

I was going to say what I said above in response to your post, buthaving already said it, same as it ever was



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Talley,

I don't think you're loyal to your hard earned money...... you go through sooooo many Bejamin's like a naughty player :P

How else do you have a reputation of owning so much camera gear over the years :P :)

Talley is definitely a player, and if bedding his cameras is naughty, well, who am I to judge?


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Sep 15, 2018 15:50 |  #957

mcoren wrote in post #18708646 (external link)
I don’t understand your aggravation. Those lenses and your existing body/ies will still work. Canon is still (rumored to be) planning new EF body releases, even full frame, just as they did with FD bodies for 4-5 years after the EOS system was introduced. If you see your new lenses as 3-5 year purchases as you say, I think you should be fine.

Mike

I wasn't around for the FD to EF transition, so I guess I trust that EF would go on forever. Never had it crossed my mind that there would be and end of life for EF, even if distant. I could've stepped into the R series and helped to future proof myself, if I had a clue.




  
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Sep 15, 2018 15:58 as a reply to  @ post 18708178 |  #958

Darn nice write up artsf!


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Sep 15, 2018 16:20 |  #959

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As I keep trying to tell everyone- And my point seems to be missed, The issue for everyone is will performance be the same with the conversion adapters ...

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I don't think your point is being missed, I think that people are ignoring it because they don't agree with your assumption or how you came to it. They don't think your hand picking of two quick notes out of, what now? a dozen videos? is viable data to keep repeating this assumption.

I do think you are missing the point that every one else has been making about nothing here being 3rd party, and the overwhelmingly positive reports that leave your two exceptions as little more than the exceptions that prove the rule. The Kai case the lighting was IMHO so dark and wierd I think he could have had the same issue with native lens if it WASN'T the 50 1.2.

Am I willing to bet money there will be no issue?
Not sure, but against you I might.

Canon is on record saying that the adaption will be seamless for EF on R bodies.

Canon is also telling us that the EOS R is 30MP and has a single SD card.
I'll believe it when I see it! I am sure it also has CF card, and is actually only 24MP.

Does that make any sense? Should I post it every other page in bold caps for the next week? Stamp my feet when people don't jump on board with that theory?


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Sep 15, 2018 16:29 |  #960

I'd like to claim that the change from a Canon Only format to what we have now is due to the fall out from Canon dicking me around with the 1D MarkIII for two years, ... alas that would not be true. Still it's been a long time now :)

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One has to wonder what are non-fans of L glass (best lenses in the world) doing on Canon forum? I’d argue that Canon’s strongest position is its insane EF lens catalogue unmatched by anyone: not just variety and optical rendering but the built quality, af motors, ois design, support, etc.
Mirrorless and small is possible if you are willing to compromise on sensor size or lens properties. I personally prefer larger camera with small lenses. The palm needs to wrap around the grip for proper ergonomics with large lenses. I’ve used A7rii with 85GM and 24-70GM for quite sometime, never again. EF85IS and EF 24-70ii are just so much nicer and much better value. I have never met a loyal Sony customer

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I thought this was a canon forum?.. and now just a Photography forum?

also.. I'm curious … what is a "loyal sony customer"?


Perhaps i'm picking up on this conversation in the middle and so i'm not getting it..

customers should be loyal to brands?

rogue.guineapig wrote in post #18708610 (external link)
IT WAS A CANON FORUM BEFORE ALL THE KIDS CAME ALONG AND TRAMPLED MY GRASS WITH THEIR DURNED NEEEKONS AND SOH-NEES :twisted:


I think it evolved when more and more people found it as just a great photo forum that was better organized that many others... it became a much broader resource, and I think that's a good thing.

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I swear it used to be a Canon forum. I was out for a bit, and came back; It was like a twilight zone episode. I just go on as if it's always been this way.

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Stupid kids.

The evolution was part of Pekka's home-built software upgrade. Definitely a plus. Same kind of long term thinking that brought us EF and now RF. :D

I was going to say what I said above in response to your post, buthaving already said it, same as it ever was




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