Canon EOS R has Crucified my thoughts about changing to Sony

AlanU wrote in post #18711586
We really got to have a good discussion about this camera when many of us use it on a daily basis

We are living vicariously through reviews were‘s they are getting a paycheque from us watching all of their YouTube feeds

I started buying Silky Zubat pruning handsaws from what other pros who earn a paycheck said about them. $70 each, and one of the world's best handsaws. So for cameras and many other products, viewing reviews from people who earn a living with similar gear is a decent way to learn. Take the last video for example ... I had not heard of the converging diamonds related to tracking and focus. So the vicarious thing works fine for me as long as these folks keep unveiling the features and different lenses they are trying.

But I am the kind of person who prefers holding something when practical and available.

Charlie wrote in post #18710943
Sure it is, Sony has a full out system already, the mount, that is supposedly holding them back, has lenses made from 10mm to 400mm. So much for the theory of that mount holding them back.

If you really want to hedge on mounts, Nikon technically has the best mount.

Yes if we're going to obsess over mount specs, its a matter of both throat diameter and flange distance (distance from glass to sensor)....and Canon has a longer flange distance than both Sony FE and Nikon Z.

In terms of throat diameter...the difference between the Sony FE and Canon RF is about the same as the difference between Canon EF and Nikon F....and its not like Canon lenses were ever significantly better than Nikon...Canon had some winners and losers lenses and so did Nikon. The difference is basically F1.4 vs F1.2 at 50mm and 85mm (normal FOV's) given similarly sized optical designs...and as you moved to longer or wider focal lengths that advantage disappeared.

The R sounds tempting, I have been thinking of adding a 6D II to compliment my 80D, low light, flippy screen, higher ISO's the main attractions

The fact that I could use any of my 6 EF-S and 3 EF lenses with it is nice.

I don't mind being one of the first to try a new camera, when I switched from my Nikon F HP to the Digital Rebel it had a lot of growing to do.

The slow frame rate doesn't bother me as I have the 80D for my surfer pictures and only 14,000 on the shutter so have a ways to go with it.

What I am hearing is that it falls between the 6Dii and the 5D IV...

hmmm...

Oh BTW, with a EF-S lens covering a smaller sized chip, how would they not have vignetting on the R?

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #18712098
Oh BTW, with a EF-S lens covering a smaller sized chip, how would they not have vignetting on the R?

EF-S will just work in crop mode (it won't use the whole sensor).

davesrose wrote in post #18712240
EF-S will just work in crop mode (it won't use the whole sensor).

Are you certain?

I can't answer the question accurately, but could the EF-S adapter being different from the EF adapter affect that?

I had read earlier that EF-S works for 4K video:

4K Shooters: Canon EOS R

"THE 4K CROP!

Yes, this is a Canon (non video camera) full-frame mirrorless camera released in 2018 and there is a 1.7x (or thereabouts) crop of the sensor when shooting in 4K. You can use EF-S lenses for a S35 crop, which is selectable, but in 4K you are doomed to a massive crop, which is not going to go well with a lot of people, who are insisting on the ability to record video in 4K on a full-frame mirrorless camera. Not happening with the EOS R. Get a Sony A7 III or A7sII for that.

Looks like a nice vlogging camera though – articulating touch screen, Dual Pixel AF – sure, for this purpose, the EOS R will surely not disappoint. Also, the SD card slots now supports UHS-II (finally), but that’s not anything for Canon to brag about when their new full-frame mirrorless camera does not have any form of internal image stabilization. No IBIS, here folks. Sad really…"

So this article seems to indicate EF-S lenses can get up to Super-35 crop from the FF sensor

mdvaden wrote in post #18712257
Are you certain?

I can't answer the question accurately, but could the EF-S adapter being different from the EF adapter affect that?

When you attach an EFS lens the camera detects this and goes into crop mode, a design feature of the camera.

crofter wrote in post #18712465
When you attach an EFS lens the camera detects this and goes into crop mode, a design feature of the camera.

That sort of means with APS-C it is a high prices APS-C camera, you don' t buy much with current APS-C lenses on it.

But there seems to be plenty of Canon shooters who have a mix of EF-S and EF lenses: either by having a crop camera or a mix of crop/FF. I suppose the arguement for EF-S on Canon R is to stay lighter. You’re also not losing much if you’re v-logging.

Also sometimes you want the reach of APS-C, so crop lenses do have some appeal here.

From a pure image quality standpoint, I tip my hat to Canon for what they've done with the R-mount 28-70 f2 and the 50 1.2. I can see how this new mount is attractive to current EOS shooters, and how it may help stem the tide of defection to Sony. The new adapter with the drop-in filters looks fabulous. The new R-mount body is very much like the original a7--a great concept, but very much a work-in-progress . . . but with a real AF system.

The body is *sorta* priced to sell at $2300 USD, much like the 6D was *sorta* priced to sell at $2100 when it was rolled out. The great glass they introduced is mad expensive, which will keep cheapskates like me from giving real consideration to switching back to Canon.

I'm happy Canon and Nikon are in the FF mirrorless market now, as competition breeds innovation. Also, I'm very interested to see how much further Sigma's role will expand in the lens market. Their ability to produce fast, spectacular glass at a discount makes them quite a player.

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #18712540
That sort of means with APS-C it is a high prices APS-C camera, you don' t buy much with current APS-C lenses on it.

When the EOS R takes native full frame EF an d full frame RF lenses it doesn't "sort of means' or even mean such thing. Not at a high price, but middle price. users are buying one of the world's fastest focusing full frame cameras, with a excellent amount of reliability.

I think a lot of people get confused, forgetting that a large number of Canon shooters are photographers, looking for a good photography camera.

This photographer shows quite a few un-edited image files for an example of focusing and color.

Wilt wrote in post #18710583
failing to understand Canon's need not to cannibalize 5Dn sales again by too good of a cheaper product.

That's because it's a completely moronic move for the longterm stability. As Steve Jobs already pointed out: "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."

mdvaden wrote in post #18712257
Are you certain?

I can't answer the question accurately, but could the EF-S adapter being different from the EF adapter affect that?

The camera knows when a Canon EF-S lens is mounted, and its sensor goes into crop mode automatically. Canon was explicit in both those points.