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Sep 27, 2018 13:37 |  #1531

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Focus should not be a critical skill.

I take pride in the fact that I've learned how to make the right choices to get the eyes in focus without auto eye focus, or can get reasonable hyperfocal off the top of my head for some preferred wide focal lengths. I've put a lot of time into learning photography, which includes focus; time that is valuable, and time that I cannot get back. So yes, focus should very much be a critical skill. Also, no one should be self proclaiming themselves a master without at least understanding these things. I'm surprised at that statement.




  
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Sep 27, 2018 13:44 |  #1532

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I take pride in the fact that I've learned how to make the right choices to get the eyes in focus without auto eye focus, or can get reasonable hyperfocal off the top of my head for some preferred wide focal lengths. I've put a lot of time into learning photography, which includes focus; time that is valuable, and time that I cannot get back. So yes, focus should very much be a critical skill. Also, no one should be self proclaiming themselves a master without at least understanding these things. I don't interact much with you in htreads, but based on your high post count, I'd think you'd be better than to make a statement like that.

By the same token, somebody else here even older than your could say that "I put a lot of time in learning how to manually focus all of my shots, and I don't need AF at all. AF isn't a skill, people should learn a valuable and critical skill like MF to keep eyes in focus manually while both the person and I am both moving slightly back and forth."

If you use AF, then eye AF is just an extension of that, nothing more. You use what works for you and what you are comfortable with, others are going to extend their operations to other tools and features to accomplish the same thing.

That being said, as Levina alludes, we will get to the point that camera AI is so good, we will just configure it to focus on specific objects or events we are interested in, no matter how fast they are moving, and we just snap the shutter. At that point, we might as well just profile the camera on exactly what type of things we are shooting and what to focus on, set the camera down, and let it do all the work. The skill will only be in how well you know and can set up your equipment.

The only thing left for us in this type of future reality is to find where to put the camera for the right perspective, and nothing more. I fully envision a time where I can put a camera out aimed at home plate, configure it to take a small burst as it sees the bat being swung, and later I go pick up the camera to see how all the shots came out. Heck, I may even be able to just set it on a motorized head, and configure it to also track a player running between bases, follow the ball as it was hit to the outfield and snap the catch, etc. The hardware is here, the programming just isn't here yet.

More and more will become automated and there will be less and less manual intervention in much of what we do today. It won't be a good thing though, we might as well look to all the sci fi and fantasy movies for the last 20-30 years, they all have it right. ;)


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Sep 27, 2018 13:50 |  #1533

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With a Red camera you can already do that.

or a 5D4/1Dx2 (@ 4K)


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Sep 27, 2018 13:55 |  #1534

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agreed

1/2 the fun is NOT knowing if you got the shot, missing shots, perfecting the skill sets, and then hitting THE KEEPER under the conditions that you had to capture it in. Example 10 frame bust. I had 10 good ones but the shot I hit tracking of this guy coming in was the one i liked despite having the fish pop out and being in the talons. all good shots. But I could of nailed this in one shot
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I have always liked this example Mike, but it is an example of how 10 fps can help you get the best moments in fast paced action IMHO, NOT an example of what you can do with single shot.


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Sep 27, 2018 13:55 |  #1535

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There is really nothing more to talk about on the EOS R other than either the continued "it's great" or "it sucks". This always happens in every thread when everything that could be said, has been said.

So it is okay we talk about other things until there is actually new info or data or experiences with the EOS-R to be had. :)

This thread has veered off the tracks too many times to count, so trying to police it now with nothing new is effort in vain.


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Sep 27, 2018 14:17 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #1536

So are we moving to beer? :-D Give me a good Doppelbock!


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Sep 27, 2018 14:26 |  #1537

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18717485 (external link)
I have always liked this example Mike, but it is an example of how 10 fps can help you get the best moments in fast paced action IMHO, NOT an example of what you can do with single shot.


certainly dont need 20-30+ frames to do this. Its about being in position to capture, anticipating what they are going to do and being prepared.


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Sep 27, 2018 14:56 |  #1538

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Seems like people are trying to get there - i.e. Arsenal. "Take awesome pictures without any knowledge or skill! Just buy this and let it do it for you!"

I need a different hobby if this is the end goal.




  
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Sep 27, 2018 16:29 |  #1539

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By the same token, somebody else here even older than your could say that "I put a lot of time in learning how to manually focus all of my shots, and I don't need AF at all. AF isn't a skill, people should learn a valuable and critical skill like MF to keep eyes in focus manually while both the person and I am both moving slightly back and forth."

If you use AF, then eye AF is just an extension of that, nothing more. You use what works for you and what you are comfortable with, others are going to extend their operations to other tools and features to accomplish the same thing.

That being said, as Levina alludes, we will get to the point that camera AI is so good, we will just configure it to focus on specific objects or events we are interested in, no matter how fast they are moving, and we just snap the shutter. At that point, we might as well just profile the camera on exactly what type of things we are shooting and what to focus on, set the camera down, and let it do all the work. The skill will only be in how well you know and can set up your equipment.

The only thing left for us in this type of future reality is to find where to put the camera for the right perspective, and nothing more. I fully envision a time where I can put a camera out aimed at home plate, configure it to take a small burst as it sees the bat being swung, and later I go pick up the camera to see how all the shots came out. Heck, I may even be able to just set it on a motorized head, and configure it to also track a player running between bases, follow the ball as it was hit to the outfield and snap the catch, etc. The hardware is here, the programming just isn't here yet.

More and more will become automated and there will be less and less manual intervention in much of what we do today. It won't be a good thing though, we might as well look to all the sci fi and fantasy movies for the last 20-30 years, they all have it right. ;)

I thought there was already some AI technology that does a reasonable job of classifying what a human would consider to be a "good" picture vs a "bad" one. Only a matter of time before that camera aimed at the home plate automatically chooses the most aesthetically pleasing shot from the burst, and emails it directly to your newspaper.

Step forward another 20 years and you'll return home to find it in bed with the wife, smoking a cigarette...


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Sep 27, 2018 20:26 |  #1540

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I have even more respect now:-) Though for a high gravity, I side with imperial stouts or American style barleywines.


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I thought there was already some AI technology that does a reasonable job of classifying what a human would consider to be a "good" picture vs a "bad" one. Only a matter of time before that camera aimed at the home plate automatically chooses the most aesthetically pleasing shot from the burst, and emails it directly to your newspaper.

AI has already gotten pretty sophisticated for determining what object should be center of interest/in focus. I think the operative words are "aesthetically pleasing". I don't know how many women as of late I've met that like snapchat with really corny filters that add goofy blur effects and cartoon overlays.-?


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Sep 27, 2018 20:44 as a reply to  @ davesrose's post |  #1542

All those past travels on business trips, I learned I liked dark stout beers. This was the first one that drew me in that direction. On that trip, I was in Calgary. :)


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I like malty goodness come deep fall/winter. My introduction to Doppelbocks was actually when I was still new to Georgia. It was during the time that Georgia (and my home state of NC) limited beer to 5%. I was having an internship in medical animation and staying with an aficionado of Dopplebocks: who'd get cases while over state lines. Now GA is up to 13% for beer (though I've also learned you can buy beers like Sam Adams Utopias 23% over the internet because it's considered collectors). I'm into homebrewing as well: one lesser known stout is oyster stout. Some are brewed regularly and just meant to accompany oysters, while others are brewed with oysters. I tried a real one with oysters....turned out pretty good: tasted like it was in between a dry stout and oatmeal stout.


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Sep 27, 2018 21:52 |  #1544

sploo wrote in post #18717575 (external link)
I thought there was already some AI technology that does a reasonable job of classifying what a human would consider to be a "good" picture vs a "bad" one. Only a matter of time before that camera aimed at the home plate automatically chooses the most aesthetically pleasing shot from the burst, and emails it directly to your newspaper.

We don't have to do that--the community of photographers has already decided there isn't such a thing as a "bad" picture anyway. Standards have been thrown away.




  
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Sep 28, 2018 03:39 |  #1545

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...It was during the time that Georgia (and my home state of NC) limited beer to 5%...

Wow... so anything Belgian was banned ;-)a

RDKirk wrote in post #18717718 (external link)
We don't have to do that--the community of photographers has already decided there isn't such a thing as a "bad" picture anyway. Standards have been thrown away.

Harsh. But fair...


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