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Sep 25, 2018 22:35 |  #16

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18716272 (external link)
EVIL sounds even worse!

I had never heard of "Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens"? What is it? When was it made?

Term used a very long time ago, and EVIL is indeed a terrible sounding reference, which is why I left a letter out, leaving a soundalike acronym.

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EVIL = Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens
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In the post above the acronym EVIL is used. I’m not familiar with is
term. What does it mean?

EVIL = Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens
Replace the mirror and prism viewfinder of a dSLR with an Electronic Viewfinder
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You can see that the term has been around for a very long time, often in context of the 4/3 format cameras

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I've also heard the term "EVIL" (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lens) tossed around for cameras with large sensors, no SLR mechanism, but non-fixed lenses. I don't think any pure ones actually exist, but the technology is pretty clearly available or close to it (the AF issue being the biggest one, but I think Olympus at least is working on it; they have a "Live View Boost" mode that boosts the brightness of LV so that it can still do phase detection AF without losing the LCD to black).

One advantage would be that such a camera would be completely silent (no mirror slap or shutter noise), which could be handy for shooting wildlife (or easily startled people

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https://www.geek.com …der-interchangeable-lens/ (external link)
https://petavoxel.word​press.com/tag/intercha​ngeable-lens/ (external link)

The International Leica Society seems to have legitimized the acronum in 2016, too
https://lhsa.org …er/camera-reviews/page/4/ (external link)


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Sep 25, 2018 22:52 |  #17

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18716278 (external link)
I have been there and done that many times... typing too slow...

The EVIL or MILC lenses you refer to, is that the new RF lenses?


Nothing to do with lenses, it is the term for cameras like the EOS R. No mirror, just a sensor that meters, focus, and records, and a camera that still accepts lenses.


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Sep 25, 2018 23:25 |  #18

Wilt wrote in post #18716289 (external link)
Term used a very long time ago, and EVIL is indeed a terrible sounding reference, which is why I left a letter out, leaving a soundalike acronym.

Started Jun 17, 2007 | Discussions thread
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EVIL = Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens
In reply to Peter 1745 • Aug 6, 2007
Peter 1745 wrote:

In the post above the acronym EVIL is used. I’m not familiar with is
term. What does it mean?

EVIL = Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens
Replace the mirror and prism viewfinder of a dSLR with an Electronic Viewfinder
--
BruceMcK


You can see that the term has been around for a very long time, often in context of the 4/3 format cameras

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:34 pm

I've also heard the term "EVIL" (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lens) tossed around for cameras with large sensors, no SLR mechanism, but non-fixed lenses. I don't think any pure ones actually exist, but the technology is pretty clearly available or close to it (the AF issue being the biggest one, but I think Olympus at least is working on it; they have a "Live View Boost" mode that boosts the brightness of LV so that it can still do phase detection AF without losing the LCD to black).

One advantage would be that such a camera would be completely silent (no mirror slap or shutter noise), which could be handy for shooting wildlife (or easily startled people

Multiple references in 2010, including
https://www.geek.com …der-interchangeable-lens/ (external link)
https://petavoxel.word​press.com/tag/intercha​ngeable-lens/ (external link)

The International Leica Society seems to have legitimized the acronum in 2016, too
https://lhsa.org …er/camera-reviews/page/4/ (external link)

Thank you very much Wilt!


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Sep 25, 2018 23:25 |  #19

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Nothing to do with lenses, it is the term for cameras like the EOS R. No mirror, just a sensor that meters, focus, and records, and a camera that still accepts lenses.

I also thank you very much TeamSpeed


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Sep 27, 2018 17:50 |  #20

The answer is, "As long as people keep buying Crop Sensor bodies!" It's like the VHS/Betamax and VHS/DVD debate. As long a Betamax recorders were selling, then Sony made the tapes (Think EF-S/EF Lenses), then when the number of Working Units dropped below a certain point because people were buying VHS when their Betamax machine died beyond repair they stopped making the tapes available to the mainstream public. When more people Had bought DVD players and stopped buying VHS they stopped making VHS players. So the manufacture of DVD HD stopped when Blue Ray became dominant.
So when sales of crop sensor cameras become so tiny they're insignificant then they'll stop making EF-S /EF. So when will that happen? When enough people go Full Frame. And when will that be? When we get a FF camera selling for the price of a rebel. So if Nikon or Sony release a DSLR or Mirrorless FF for $750 and it sells like hotcakes, Canon will follow suit. Just look at the new EOS R. Coming out after Nikon release a FF mirrorless. Will we get a FF mirorless $750 camera soon? I don't know, maybe in 5 years time. If the new EOS R is overpriced and doesn't sell, then people won't stop buying mirrored bodies (both crop and FF) until prices drop drastically. We english have a saying to describe I Don't Know. How long is a piece of string? That's when they'll stop making them. And it'll be a couple of years after that that support for the last few lenses released will stop.


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Sep 28, 2018 01:43 |  #21

Personally I would not expect Canon to release any R mount prime lens in a focal length longer than 165mm, or a zoom that has a wide end longer than about 70mm for a very long time. Once you get to these sorts of focal lengths you start to lose all the size benefits that the shorter registration distance gives you. With longer lenses it is the ƒ/number that usually dictates the diameter of the lens, and telephoto techniques only go so far for lens overall length. So it makes sense to just build EF mount telephoto lenses, and move the camera back with an adapter to hit the correct registration distance. We still see the same with APS-C only DLSR lenses. I'm pretty sure that the APS-C only zoom lens with the longest wide end is the Canon EF-S 55-250. Other than that you had the Sigma 50-150 ƒ/2.8 and now the 50-100 ƒ/1.8 in a crop only EF mount. Anything longer covers the full 36×24mm sensor area.

I also believe that the last holdouts for optical viewfinders will be the users of mostly longer focal lengths, especially the big whites. For many of these users zero VF lag is important, as is minimal blackout times. I doubt that we will ever get an EVF with a true zero lag display, and it is display lag that is the hardest bit to deal with when trying to synchronize high speed events. The issue with display lag is that it will change with exposure value. As long as it is consistent shutter lag is much simpler for the brain to allow for.

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Sep 28, 2018 01:57 |  #22

Depends what you mean by the "future". Nothing lasts forever, so I think the more pertinent question (and what you actually mean) is, "How much longer will the EF format lenses be supported?"


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Sep 28, 2018 03:23 |  #23

Think EF lens would be supported for another 10 years after the whole DSLR line is discontinued


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Sep 28, 2018 05:16 |  #24

BigAl007 wrote in post #18717797 (external link)
Personally I would not expect Canon to release any R mount prime lens in a focal length longer than 165mm, or a zoom that has a wide end longer than about 70mm for a very long time. Once you get to these sorts of focal lengths you start to lose all the size benefits that the shorter registration distance gives you. With longer lenses it is the ƒ/number that usually dictates the diameter of the lens, and telephoto techniques only go so far for lens overall length. So it makes sense to just build EF mount telephoto lenses, and move the camera back with an adapter to hit the correct registration distance. We still see the same with APS-C only DLSR lenses. I'm pretty sure that the APS-C only zoom lens with the longest wide end is the Canon EF-S 55-250. Other than that you had the Sigma 50-150 ƒ/2.8 and now the 50-100 ƒ/1.8 in a crop only EF mount. Anything longer covers the full 36×24mm sensor area.

I also believe that the last holdouts for optical viewfinders will be the users of mostly longer focal lengths, especially the big whites. For many of these users zero VF lag is important, as is minimal blackout times. I doubt that we will ever get an EVF with a true zero lag display, and it is display lag that is the hardest bit to deal with when trying to synchronize high speed events. The issue with display lag is that it will change with exposure value. As long as it is consistent shutter lag is much simpler for the brain to allow for.

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Sony a9 already does continuous shooting with zero blackout.

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Viewfinder lag is a matter of processing capability. These cameras are basically mini-computers...There have already been major improvements in viewfinder lag with existing mirrorless cameras, and eventually the processing power of these things will get to the point where there'll be no perceptible lag in the EVF regardless of the exposure. Moore's law.

Also..benefits to mirrorless cameras are a lot more than size. i.e. zero blackout continuous shooting. Also Computational AF using the live-view image has tremendous upside.. Eye-AF has been a game changing feature for portraits (and that's not hyperbole), and Sony is working on getting it to work on animals (external link). In general, there is a lot that mirrorless focusing systems could potentially do in terms of objection detection, tracking, and recall. At some point they'll start to pull away from DSLR in big ways, and yeah Canon has to focus their attention on building their products that can keep up with their competitors. That means a shift in priority on the glass side too, as you'd want truly native glass with AF systems that are fully optimized for on-sensor AF systems.


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Sep 29, 2018 10:03 |  #25

Bear Dale wrote in post #18702409 (external link)
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Will Canon keep supporting EF lenses into the future or will they transition to the newer mount?
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Colin Glover wrote in post #18717617 (external link)
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The answer is, "As long as people keep buying Crop Sensor bodies!"

So when sales of crop sensor cameras become so tiny they're insignificant then they'll stop making EF-S /EF. . So when will that happen? . When enough people go Full Frame.
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What do crop body cameras have to do with EF mount support?

You answer the question as if the OP had asked about EF-S lenses, which he didn't. He only asked about EF lenses.

I don't understand why you discuss crop bodies vs. full frame bodies in relation to the OP's question. . If you could explain how this is pertinent to the question that was asked, I would appreciate it.


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Sep 29, 2018 20:29 |  #26

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18718573 (external link)
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What do crop body cameras have to do with EF mount support?

You answer the question as if the OP had asked about EF-S lenses, which he didn't. He only asked about EF lenses.

I don't understand why you discuss crop bodies vs. full frame bodies in relation to the OP's question. . If you could explain how this is pertinent to the question that was asked, I would appreciate it.

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Perhaps the feeling that was being expressed is that
'EF mount lens development will not go away until FF EF mount bodies and APS-C EF/EFS mount cameras are made virtually obsolete by a Canon R mount designs in both FF and also APS-C sensor Canon bodies'.


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Sep 29, 2018 20:48 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #27

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No, that reasoning would not be at all consistent with what Colin said in his post, because he made a distinction between FF and crop bodies, whereas your explanation lumps them together.

I'm looking for Colin to explain what he said, because only he knows what he was thinking.

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Sep 29, 2018 22:51 |  #28

The short answer is that yes, Canon will keep supporting EF lenses for the foreseeable future.


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Oct 04, 2018 11:36 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #29

The fact is that EF lenses will work on crop bodies. As long as crop bodies are sold EF lenses will fit. It's not true the other way around. EF-S won't fit full frame. Now we will need an entry level format, but I don't think EF-R or EF (I mean as in bodies) will be that cheap. Imagine a 6D equivalent for £400.00. It won't happen. And if the EOS R really takes off, to the point that most FF users go mirrorless, what else would fill the gap?


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Oct 04, 2018 14:06 |  #30

Colin Glover wrote in post #18722198 (external link)
The fact is that EF lenses will work on crop bodies. As long as crop bodies are sold EF lenses will fit. It's not true the other way around. EF-S won't fit full frame. Now we will need an entry level format, but I don't think EF-R or EF (I mean as in bodies) will be that cheap. Imagine a 6D equivalent for £400.00. It won't happen. And if the EOS R really takes off, to the point that most FF users go mirrorless, what else would fill the gap?

Well, actually we do have a FF that accepts both EF and EFS lenses now.


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