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Aug 15, 2018 07:43 |  #631

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The Fuji kitlens has a F2.8-F4 aperture, is all metal and has a very sturdy build. The Sony kitlens feels a bit cheaper. Not dissing it, it's just my first observation. I think I'll go for the 28/2 + 55/1.8 setup once I get my Fuji 56 sold.

I guess you really have to expect kit lens price and quality for most manufacturers to be budget conscious. Fuji’s price of the 18-55 reflects on quality if you buy it separately in retail box form.

I really have accepted the Sony files as “different” and not as nice looking sooc than Fuji.

Benefits of Sony is DR and cleaner images. Even though I still prefer the usage of mirrored bodies I change my shoooting techniques using Sony vs my primary Canon system.


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Aug 23, 2018 12:06 |  #632

Coming from a Samsung NX1, i can't say i'm impressed by the dynamic range or the sharpness since the Samsung was already great but i enjoy the shallow DOF and the nice rendering of the Zeiss FE lenses.

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Sep 02, 2018 04:24 |  #633

My local dealer has an A7iii for rather cheap, and an A7Riii for way below regular price. I got very excited. I've been thinking about going Sony for a while. (I have a secondary M4/3 system, and really like the idea of smaller sized everything, but don't want to give up FF.) And then I read this whole thread.
My takeaway is that 1) Sony glass is good, although generally not better than Canon mount glass (Canon, Sigma), but a lot more expensive 2). Using a converter, Canon glass works pretty well on the Sonys, but not nearly as well as it does on Canon (I've got a 5D4, btw), or as native glass on the sonys 3) Sony has a couple of great focus features (eye tracking), but it generally only works with expensive (dare I say, pretty overpriced?) Sony glass 4) Most(? many? Some?) Canon users find Sony colors a bit odd in some way.

I've handled a couple of the Sonys, and although I love the look and feel, to me the balance and handling with large lenses attached is awkward and "finger-tiring." I've heard many times that the Sony sensor is better than Canon's, but that wasn't discussed/demonstrated in the thread, and no pictures were displayed that made me say "Wow! Canon couldn't do that." I wouldn't mind being persuaded to switch over, but just didn't really encounter anything that persuasive here. For those of you that are true believers, what am I missing?


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Sep 02, 2018 05:51 |  #634

Mookalafalas wrote in post #18698381 (external link)
My local dealer has an A7iii for rather cheap, and an A7Riii for way below regular price. I got very excited. I've been thinking about going Sony for a while. (I have a secondary M4/3 system, and really like the idea of smaller sized everything, but don't want to give up FF.) And then I read this whole thread.
My takeaway is that 1) Sony glass is good, although generally not better than Canon mount glass (Canon, Sigma), but a lot more expensive 2). Using a converter, Canon glass works pretty well on the Sonys, but not nearly as well as it does on Canon (I've got a 5D4, btw), or as native glass on the sonys 3) Sony has a couple of great focus features (eye tracking), but it generally only works with expensive (dare I say, pretty overpriced?) Sony glass 4) Most(? many? Some?) Canon users find Sony colors a bit odd in some way.

I've handled a couple of the Sonys, and although I love the look and feel, to me the balance and handling with large lenses attached is awkward and "finger-tiring." I've heard many times that the Sony sensor is better than Canon's, but that wasn't discussed/demonstrated in the thread, and no pictures were displayed that made me say "Wow! Canon couldn't do that." I wouldn't mind being persuaded to switch over, but just didn't really encounter anything that persuasive here. For those of you that are true believers, what am I missing?

Underestimating how good and useful eye AF is. In the end, we can all achieve the same, the path to what is achieved is different. With Sony , you just have a lot more options of turning your camera small and lightweight yet still have options of turning your system into a monstrosity. One day, I can shoot 35 f2.8 body and lens combo of 750g give or take, the next I can shoot an event with 35 f1.4, 85 f1.8, 135 f1.8 monster setup. Having a lot of small options makes a big difference. The 12-24 is half the size of the canon equivalent. The 28-75 f2.8 is 300g less than the 24-70 f2.8 by canon and a lot smaller. The combination of having these options and a revolutionary eye AF, is tough to ignore.

At this point, Sony has a rather complete offering, high price, low price, don’t waste your time and money on adapters, go native. Only exception is MC-11 adapter + sigma lenses is basically native.

The gen 3 cameras are polished, fast, and powerful systems that can do it all.

The RAWs area bit different, but work great. Just be a little open to learning color basics and breaking old habits.

There are stages of exceptance when going to Sony, ridicule, opposition, accepted as self evident ;-)a

Seen it so many times.


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Sep 02, 2018 09:38 |  #635

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Underestimating how good and useful eye AF is. In the end, we can all achieve the same, the path to what is achieved is different. With Sony , you just have a lot more options of turning your camera small and lightweight yet still have options of turning your system into a monstrosity. One day, I can shoot 35 f2.8 body and lens combo of 750g give or take, the next I can shoot an event with 35 f1.4, 85 f1.8, 135 f1.8 monster setup. Having a lot of small options makes a big difference. The 12-24 is half the size of the canon equivalent. The 28-75 f2.8 is 300g less than the 24-70 f2.8 by canon and a lot smaller. The combination of having these options and a revolutionary eye AF, is tough to ignore.

At this point, Sony has a rather complete offering, high price, low price, don’t waste your time and money on adapters, go native. Only exception is MC-11 adapter + sigma lenses is basically native.

The gen 3 cameras are polished, fast, and powerful systems that can do it all.

The RAWs area bit different, but work great. Just be a little open to learning color basics and breaking old habits.

There are stages of exceptance when going to Sony, ridicule, opposition, accepted as self evident ;-)a

Seen it so many times.

Thanks for the nice response, Charlie. It does sound attractive, and if I were just starting now, I'd definitely go the Sony route. I have a good setup now, and also have a M4/3 kit, when I want to go REALLY small. I'll be thinking about it, but the money I would lose switching to have a somewhat smaller but essentially equivalent system isn't in the cards just now--although I am pretty confident Sony is the way of the future.


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Sep 02, 2018 10:33 |  #636

Mookalafalas wrote in post #18698381 (external link)
My local dealer has an A7iii for rather cheap, and an A7Riii for way below regular price. I got very excited. I've been thinking about going Sony for a while. (I have a secondary M4/3 system, and really like the idea of smaller sized everything, but don't want to give up FF.) And then I read this whole thread.
My takeaway is that 1) Sony glass is good, although generally not better than Canon mount glass (Canon, Sigma), but a lot more expensive 2). Using a converter, Canon glass works pretty well on the Sonys, but not nearly as well as it does on Canon (I've got a 5D4, btw), or as native glass on the sonys 3) Sony has a couple of great focus features (eye tracking), but it generally only works with expensive (dare I say, pretty overpriced?) Sony glass 4) Most(? many? Some?) Canon users find Sony colors a bit odd in some way.

I've handled a couple of the Sonys, and although I love the look and feel, to me the balance and handling with large lenses attached is awkward and "finger-tiring." I've heard many times that the Sony sensor is better than Canon's, but that wasn't discussed/demonstrated in the thread, and no pictures were displayed that made me say "Wow! Canon couldn't do that." I wouldn't mind being persuaded to switch over, but just didn't really encounter anything that persuasive here. For those of you that are true believers, what am I missing?

Wow, thanks for the great summary of a complex issue.

I too am lurking and waiting and comparing systems from time to time. Considering the trends, I will probably switch to Sony at some point, but I think the time is not right just yet.


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Sep 02, 2018 10:50 |  #637

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Wow, thanks for the great summary of a complex issue.

I too am lurking and waiting and comparing systems from time to time. Considering the trends, I will probably switch to Sony at some point, but I think the time is not right just yet.

Yeah, it really is tricky. If we are going to sell all our gear and make a switch, we don't want to wait TOO long, as resale prices are already much less firm than they used to be. And I'm not a Canon fanboy--actually as a company, I admire Sony more than Canon.
But...I was just browsing the A7iii groups at flickr. I didn't spend too much time, but I certainly didn't see anything that made me want to jump ship.
One thing in Sony's favor, however, is it seems like 3rd party lens makers are starting to swarm in their direction. I just read at Lenstip.com that Samyang has 20(! can that really be right?) lenses for Sony, including a 1.4 35mm with AF. That's very good news...


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Sep 02, 2018 10:55 |  #638

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But...I was just browsing the A7iii groups at flickr. I didn't spend too much time, but I certainly didn't see anything that made me want to jump ship.

These are all FF sensors at the end of the day. Unless you have some super high contrast scene that can only be hammered down with Sony caliber DR, then you're not going to see a difference in the final photos.

The biggest advantages to mirrorless cameras come in the compositional process. Charlie talked about eye AF, but exposure preview via the viewfinder, wider AF coverage, more critically accurate AF, IBIS, etc etc are where the value propositions lie.

Also when using smaller lenses, smaller set-ups do encourage you to shoot in situations you otherwise might not bring a camera.


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Sep 02, 2018 11:05 |  #639

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These are all FF sensors at the end of the day. Unless you have some super high contrast scene that can only be hammered down with Sony caliber DR, then you're not going to see a difference in the final photos.

The biggest advantages to mirrorless cameras come in the compositional process. Charlie talked about eye AF, but exposure preview via the viewfinder, wider AF coverage, more critically accurate AF, IBIS, etc etc are where the value propositions lie.

Also when using smaller lenses, smaller set-ups do encourage you to shoot in situations you otherwise might not bring a camera.

Better AF and smaller size are giant pluses, no question, although for my style of photography AF isn't a big problem. Here is a question though: 5D4 raw files are incredible in Post--I can lift shadows and tamp down highlights like crazy and still have great results (unlike the 5D2 and 3, which were miserable). I can also focus in crazy dark situations. How is the Sony in these respects?


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Sep 02, 2018 11:30 |  #640

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Better AF and smaller size are giant pluses, no question, although for my style of photography AF isn't a big problem. Here is a question though: 5D4 raw files are incredible in Post--I can lift shadows and tamp down highlights like crazy and still have great results (unlike the 5D2 and 3, which were miserable). I can also focus in crazy dark situations. How is the Sony in these respects?

a7III has a one stop advantage in DR throughout the entire ISO range, so there's even more latitude in the Sony files than the Canon. Both 5DIV and a7III are rated at -3EV, so the a7III should be able to focus just as well in the dark. I don't own the a7III, but shoot things like dark wedding reception halls just fine with the a7rIII.

This is with native glass though. One area where adapted glass suffers quite a bit is in AF low light AF.


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Sep 02, 2018 12:04 |  #641

Thanks for the quick response! That's all good to know.


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I used to own 3 5D4, I'm now on Sony A7III and haven't looked back! In the end, the result will be the same it's just getting to the result that is much simplified. Best way to explain it that I came up with is imagine you have to go from New York to Los Angeles, you can take a bus route across the country (Canon) or you can have a driver pick you up in a limo, drop you off at your private jet and fly across (Sony). In the end you went from New York to Los Angeles, but one way was much easier than the other. Honestly the upcoming Canon mirrorless is tempting but if there is nothing equivalent to Sony eye AF then I won't even look at it. I was able to use eye AF with cheap Sony lenses too not sure where you saw it only worked with expensive lenses. Also for all my Canon lenses the Metabones V was much better than the MC-11 EXCEPT the 16-35 f/4 IS. I also tried the A7RIII, and that body would not have made me switch, the A7III did, the AF is just that much better to me.
There is one thing about Sony that I miss from Canon: color science. Sometimes I have shots that I just can't get the color the way I want. But right now you could offer me a free 5D4 against my A7III I wouldn't even consider it.


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Sep 02, 2018 22:17 |  #643

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I used to own 3 5D4, I'm now on Sony A7III and haven't looked back! In the end, the result will be the same it's just getting to the result that is much simplified. Best way to explain it that I came up with is imagine you have to go from New York to Los Angeles, you can take a bus route across the country (Canon) or you can have a driver pick you up in a limo, drop you off at your private jet and fly across (Sony). In the end you went from New York to Los Angeles, but one way was much easier than the other. Honestly the upcoming Canon mirrorless is tempting but if there is nothing equivalent to Sony eye AF then I won't even look at it. I was able to use eye AF with cheap Sony lenses too not sure where you saw it only worked with expensive lenses. Also for all my Canon lenses the Metabones V was much better than the MC-11 EXCEPT the 16-35 f/4 IS. I also tried the A7RIII, and that body would not have made me switch, the A7III did, the AF is just that much better to me.
There is one thing about Sony that I miss from Canon: color science. Sometimes I have shots that I just can't get the color the way I want. But right now you could offer me a free 5D4 against my A7III I wouldn't even consider it.

Well I trust my 5d4 100% in pitch darkness with external flash. Af just simply works. I cannot say that with my adapted canon glass.

I’ll need GM glass before I touch Sony for hired work.


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Sep 30, 2018 21:40 |  #645

First day out with this little beast of a camera. Winds were ripping but still a blast trying to make images with what fells like a toy compared to the 1D MK IV. I'm impressed.
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