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Oct 09, 2018 11:26 |  #20386

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Oct 09, 2018 11:48 |  #20387

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interesting comments on ISO, I am thinking of making ISO 1600 my highest on 7DII rather than 3200. For me its mainly about feather and fur detail with wildlife, I dont notice the higher ISOs on other objects but for furry and feathery things I think detail does get lost. I even notice it with my full frame when I shoot really high ISOs, of course Im also often cropping in a lot more with that though.

I can understand keeping the ISO low for fine feather and fur detail, but for other static subjects you can go much, much higher. The coach below was in a very dark barn with very low lighting and the first version was processed with DXO PhotoLab and its Prime noise reduction.The ISO is 10000. In addition to Prime noise reduction some sharpness, microcontrast and "smart lighting" adjustments were added, as well as lens distortion corrections. The results are very clean and detailed to my eyes. The second version is a completely unprocessed conversion from raw for comparison and still holds up fairly well, albeit with obvious noise and some loss of sharpness.

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Oct 09, 2018 15:39 |  #20388

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Exactly, there's no point in self imposed limitations IMO, do what's necessary to get the shot!
That must be a pretty slow moving beast whilst he's relaxed like that, 1/80 doesn't stop much movement, certainly not a zorro like this one

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Oct 09, 2018 15:40 |  #20389

mwsilver wrote in post #18725515 (external link)
I can understand keeping the ISO low for fine feather and fur detail, but for other static subjects you can go much, much higher. The coach below was in a very dark barn with very low lighting and the first version was processed with DXO PhotoLab and its Prime noise reduction.The ISO is 10000. In addition to Prime noise reduction some sharpness, microcontrast and "smart lighting" adjustments were added, as well as lens distortion corrections. The results are very clean and detailed to my eyes. The second version is a completely unprocessed conversion from raw for comparison and still holds up fairly well, albeit with obvious noise and some loss of sharpness.

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Mark I think she gets it completely... She been shooting for a long time.. She simply asked what we prefer.

I think just a common everyday question. Everyone has their own tolerance and ways of handling noise.

For guys like me shooting outdoors under natural light its a much different game than inside with lighting and such...

I think it was just an off the cuff question that needs little technical info for this lady. Not that its a bad thing .. but I think she already gets it.


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Oct 09, 2018 16:44 |  #20390

Pondrader wrote in post #18725663 (external link)
Mark I think she gets it completely... She been shooting for a long time.. She simply asked what we prefer.

I think just a common everyday question. Everyone has their own tolerance and ways of handling noise.

For guys like me shooting outdoors under natural light its a much different game than inside with lighting and such...

I think it was just an off the cuff question that needs little technical info for this lady. Not that its a bad thing .. but I think she already gets it.

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Yep, I agree. My last post was probably overkill for her edification, or for sports and wildlife shooters in general. I guess part of the reason I posted it though was as a general example of just how clean an image can look straight out of the camera from a 7D Mark II at ISO 10000. My point was that even images at ISO 10000 or even 12800 can be very usable with a little judicious use of post-processing and noise reduction.

I am not primarily a sports and wildlife shooter, and use my 7D Mark II for everything, including portraits and landscape photography, and a lot of low-light museum photography. While there are certainly better cameras and sensors suited to some of my uses, with good composition and proper lighting the results can still be very satisfying. I try not to let the need to occasionally use very high ISO's bother me


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Oct 09, 2018 16:54 |  #20391

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Yep, I agree. My last post was probably overkill for her edification, or for sports and wildlife shooters in general. I guess part of the reason I posted it though was as a general example of just how clean an image can look straight out of the camera from a 7D Mark II at ISO 10000. My point was that even images at ISO 10000 or even 12800 can be very usable with a little judicious use of post-processing and noise reduction.

The fact that we can converse and talk about our thoughts is really very awesome.. So many times people think they have all the answers and try and prove that with psycho babble. I'm just glad we can talk and share our experiences.


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Oct 09, 2018 17:01 |  #20392

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The fact that we can converse and talk about our thoughts is really very awesome.. So many times people think they have all the answers and try and prove that with psycho babble. I'm just glad we can talk and share our experiences.

On some photography sites ego and controversy reign supreme, and some people get very antagonistic if their personal opinions are challenged.


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Oct 09, 2018 17:02 |  #20393

One thing I will say is at 1/80th even the slightest movement will cause motion blur. Thus the reason I have the back star button programmed for a little more speed.. maybe a little wider aperture.. and yes higher iso. I find it really handy to have both ends covered with the small move to the right with your thumb. Maybe should have used it here lol

Unless a little motion is what your looking for :lol: ya uncropped


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Oct 09, 2018 17:06 |  #20394

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One thing I will say is at 1/80th even the slightest movement will cause motion blur. Thus the reason I have the back star button programmed for a little more speed.. maybe a little wide aperture.. and yes higher iso. I find it really handy to have both ends covered with the small move to the right with your thumb. Maybe should have used it here lol

Unless a little motion is what your looking for :lol: ya uncropped
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I love your moose shots. They are among the best I've ever seen!


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Oct 09, 2018 17:16 |  #20395

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I love your moose shots. They are among the best I've ever seen!

Thanks Mark... But seriously.. I have 2199 images on the sight and only 5 in the gallery lol :p:-D Who in their right mind would listen to ME lol:rolleyes:

Also on his way to me. In cases like this is where that buffer is the limiting factor in the 7DII. I mean how often do you have moose at a few feet.

7DIII no big buffer... no Jeff......... also uncropped and yes I'm standing on a big 5 ft boulder


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Oct 09, 2018 17:42 |  #20396

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Oct 09, 2018 17:56 |  #20397

sidknee wrote in post #18725662 (external link)
Exactly, there's no point in self imposed limitations IMO, do what's necessary to get the shot!
That must be a pretty slow moving beast whilst he's relaxed like that, 1/80 doesn't stop much movement, certainly not a zorro like this one

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NO kidding Sid.. I was playing with one of these beasts... Now this thing scares the tar out of me.. What if he jumps off this here branch and takes your eye out lol :p:-D hehe  :p

In all seriousness... shooting a subject i'll try what I want, second try a little slower shutter and wider aperture, then go to the iso. all in a few short mil seconds


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Oct 09, 2018 19:25 |  #20398

Pondrader wrote in post #18725717 (external link)
Thanks Mark... But seriously.. I have 2199 images on the sight and only 5 in the gallery lol :p:-D Who in their right mind would listen to ME lol:rolleyes:

Also on his way to me. In cases like this is where that buffer is the limiting factor in the 7DII. I mean how often do you have moose at a few feet.

7DIII no big buffer... no Jeff......... also uncropped and yes I'm standing on a big 5 ft boulder
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If the rut is on, wouldn't your position have put you in danger? The last thing anyone needs is a highly testosteroned horny moose charging at you.


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Oct 09, 2018 19:38 |  #20399

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If the rut is on, wouldn't your position have put you in danger? The last thing anyone needs is a highly testosteroned horny moose charging at you.

No NO Mark He was never in danger... lol ... Well even in the rut not every bull is over the top ranty.. I can tell you this.. I have never put myself in danger for any shot. That would be completely stupid. After all its just a picture of a moose.. There are markers that you can read in any animal, Things that indicate that they are under pressure or feeling the stress of being in close proximity to the human.
I was on a large rock ( eye level ) and he was eating as if I was not even there. Never once put his ears back. one can tell if they are not ahh struck and know what their doing.


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Oct 09, 2018 19:52 |  #20400

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That one needs to go on the wall, Jeff. If not yours, then someone else's.


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