Seem like not worth it it if one would have to wait even if its a few minutes after certain shots.
firme THREAD STARTER Senior Member 333 posts Likes: 13 Joined Mar 2012 Location: East Chicago, IN More info | Oct 17, 2018 07:15 | #16 Seem like not worth it it if one would have to wait even if its a few minutes after certain shots.
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John from PA Cream of the Crop 10,595 posts Likes: 1252 Joined May 2003 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania More info | Oct 17, 2018 08:25 | #17 firme wrote in post #18730669 ![]() Seem like not worth it it if one would have to wait even if its a few minutes after certain shots. John from PA wrote in post #18729894 ![]() One caution is when firing on continuous; after 20 shots it is recommended you allow the speedlight to cool for 10 minutes. Key word is continuous. The bulb in the speedlight can get quite hot on a rapid fire sequence, hence the need to allow some cool down. If you are firing off images at several times a minute, it may not be a consideration. A few weeks ago I had a conversation with a wedding photog and the topic came around to the use of multiple cameras. As well as differing lenses for different perspectives, she would rotate between them to provide some cool down.
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 2 years ago by Wilt. (3 edits in all) | Oct 17, 2018 14:59 | #18 firme wrote in post #18730669 ![]() Seem like not worth it it if one would have to wait even if its a few minutes after certain shots. Ten year ago too many photographers would 'melt' (not literally; but cause thermal failure) their 580EX flash units, and find them irrepairable by even Canon. So Canon put in thermal protection circuit into the 580EXII to force photographers to slow down, by deliberately slowing the recycle time of a hot flash unit. Such is the weakness of a speedlight with its flash tube 'enclosed' and not freely exposed to outside air for cooling. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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firme THREAD STARTER Senior Member 333 posts Likes: 13 Joined Mar 2012 Location: East Chicago, IN More info | Oct 17, 2018 15:49 | #19 Well even at the price of the pack is not bad, would be food for thought. Not sure if this is a dumb question, but knowing that it uses 8 batteries would eneloop batteries make a difference vs if I were to just use new bought energizer batteries? Not asking for a test either for those eager to comment on "another test", lol.
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John from PA Cream of the Crop 10,595 posts Likes: 1252 Joined May 2003 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania More info | Oct 17, 2018 16:00 | #20 firme wrote in post #18730946 ![]() Well even at the price of the pack is not bad, would be food for thought. Not sure if this is a dumb question, but knowing that it uses 8 batteries would eneloop batteries make a difference vs if I were to just use new bought energizer batteries? Not asking for a test either for those eager to comment on "another test", lol. That link I provided for a $49 (used, excellent condition unit is a good price, but I personally wouldn't spend the list $220 for a new unit as I really don't have a need, and that is the question you have to ask yourself. Eneloop or energizer isn't going to make that much of a difference to the flash but the recycle time is shorter with the power pack. I personally have never run down a set of batteries as I always have three sets with me, one of which is in the flash, two sets in my bag and I rotate them out at about 50% capacity.
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firme THREAD STARTER Senior Member 333 posts Likes: 13 Joined Mar 2012 Location: East Chicago, IN More info | Oct 17, 2018 16:04 | #21 I also have a couple of sets ready with me as well. Mine does heat up, but then again maybe I just click one too many times. LOL.
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SYS Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Oct 17, 2018 16:33 | #22 firme wrote in post #18730946 ![]() Not sure if this is a dumb question, but knowing that it uses 8 batteries would eneloop batteries make a difference vs if I were to just use new bought energizer batteries? Not asking for a test either for those eager to comment on "another test", lol. When you use an 8-cell pack (and I have one but no longer use it), everything performs better, i.e., more flash pops and faster recycle time regardless of which brand you use.
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ImageMaker... looks like I picked a bad week to give up halucinagens ![]() More info | Oct 18, 2018 10:42 | #23 I’ve switched to Fujitsu rechargeable since they are made in Japan not China. Newegg had some great deals for them a ways back. Not sure the price today. I’ve got a bunch of them aaa and aa. I’m quite happy with Fujitsu. Nikons, Rolleiflexes, Elinchroms, Billinghams
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ImageMaker... looks like I picked a bad week to give up halucinagens ![]() More info Post edited over 2 years ago by ImageMaker.... | Oct 18, 2018 10:49 | #24 Wilt wrote in post #18730906 ![]() Ten year ago too many photographers would 'melt' (not literally; but cause thermal failure) their 580EX flash units, and find them irrepairable by even Canon. So Canon put in thermal protection circuit into the 580EXII to force photographers to slow down, by deliberately slowing the recycle time of a hot flash unit. Such is the weakness of a speedlight with its flash tube 'enclosed' and not freely exposed to outside air for cooling. Film cameras and speedlights are better suited for each other...exposures 'cost' film, and are not 'free' as most digital shooters think. And having to change rolls of film every 36 shots would give flash units more time to cool off. ... whereas the digital photographer can blast away continuously for 800 shots before needing to change battery. The days of digital created photographic situations that did not exist when blasting away at 5+ fps for dozens of shots never happened. Now speedlights need to be 'protected' from abusive shooters. True. Nikons, Rolleiflexes, Elinchroms, Billinghams
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John from PA Cream of the Crop 10,595 posts Likes: 1252 Joined May 2003 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania More info | Oct 18, 2018 16:51 | #25 SYS wrote in post #18730984 ![]() Where it makes a big difference is that eneloop doesn't get as hot as Energizer and shelf life AND life expectancy are MUCH longer. Energizer, due to memory effect, self-drains really fast whereas eneloop's shelf life is one of the longest because it doesn't suffer from the memory effect. You won't notice this right away, but you'll quickly find that out after going through several charges.
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SYS Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Oct 18, 2018 17:27 | #26 John from PA wrote in post #18731681 ![]() And what is the source for the information. I have a set of Eneloops (2-years old), a set of Energizers (1-year old), and an ancient set I salvaged out of an old Kodak camera. In average use, say a wedding I did about two weekends back, I didn't notice any significant difference in temperatures. Certainly none were excessively hot as I popped them out. I would also say that the Eneloops and Energizers yield approximately a similar number of shots. My comments are certainly not based on controlled testing, but nothing leaps out in usage that would make me swear off the Energizers. When I was doing the controlled battery tests, I took notice of how hot each brand was to hold them in the palm of my hands at the end of each test. Most brands were warm except I couldn't even hold Energizer cells in fear of burning my palm. I don't know how frequently you've used your Energizer, but if the use was frequent during 1 year period, one area where Energizer should make you notice is how quickly it self drains. If not, I'd be very surprised.
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firme THREAD STARTER Senior Member 333 posts Likes: 13 Joined Mar 2012 Location: East Chicago, IN More info | Oct 19, 2018 08:45 | #27 They are not used continuously as to say per x times per month or year but do notice when used after being recharged and store until next use they wear out fairly quick. So I have a tendency to charge two days before being used. Also, they do get hot as well when used on the speedlite. I try and use old energizer batteries on two PWII. As they don't consume, I don't worry about those as much. As mentioned, I always have extras just in case those hold no more charge and always carry my charger just in case too.
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Kumsa Member ![]() 226 posts Likes: 5 Joined May 2010 Location: Northern Virginia More info | Oct 26, 2018 15:56 | #28 Going back to what I understood was being asked by the OP, regarding batteries. EOS R / 6D / Canon 35 f2 IS USM / Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 / Sigma 70-200 2.8 / Sigma Tele 2.x / Samyang 14mm / Orlit Strobes / Pixma Pro-100 / Epson P800 / ColorHug / Tokina 100mm AT-X M100 AF PRO D / Linux Ubuntu / PrintFab-TurboPrint / AfterShot Pro / GIMP / DarkTable / Zerene Stacker / Capture One 12
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Interesting. Thanks for the tip.
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Oct 29, 2018 13:18 | #30 Glad drmaxx found those links. Had read them a bit back too, just haven't made my way to Ikea to pick some up. (Good reminder-nudge.)
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