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Oct 20, 2018 02:21 |  #16

Would the RAW files from a D30 be recognisable to a current RAW processor?


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Oct 20, 2018 02:45 |  #17

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Would the RAW files from a D30 be recognisable to a current RAW processor?

Canon DPP will.


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Oct 20, 2018 02:56 |  #18

You can buy my 1DS2 for $400. It is great for demonstrating how far sensor and electrickery have come. It would have cost $14000 in 2004 new.

It has so many benefits:
Tiny LCD! Maybe the smallest LCD you will ever see on a digital camera.
Noise and lots of it. You don't have to crank the ISO too high to get it either.
Shadow recovery. You will have none of that.

Seriously, it does have the odd benefit.

The AF is still really good.
The viewfinder optics are also really good.
The battery is old but I like them. I have them rebuilt with Eneloops which is cheap and gives years of reliable power.

I use it for risky stuff, it's been very wet from salt water spray, I hold it under a running tap to clean the salt off.
With a cheap telephoto I point it at the sun during sunsets so if the atmosphere is unusually clear and I burn something it won't be too costly.


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Oct 20, 2018 03:16 |  #19

Do you see anything special?
White balance probably a bit on the cool side.
Full image then a crop.

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Oct 20, 2018 03:44 |  #20

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Do you see anything special?
White balance probably a bit on the cool side.
Full image then a crop.

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Special? No, but good photos nevertheless, and had you not told me they were taken with an 'obsolete' camera, I wouldn't have known. What lens were you using?

Oh and the WB looks fine to me. More or less how I prefer it.


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Oct 20, 2018 03:53 as a reply to  @ Spencerphoto's post |  #21

That was 100-400 II with 1.4TCII. ISO200 so still quite clean. I see no magic in any of the early DSLRs.
While they can still produce great results, in many circumstances the results are not as good as newer bodies.


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Oct 20, 2018 04:04 |  #22

Loved my 40d before I dropped off the side of a boat.... would still own it otherwise.

My order would be 1D Mk III, 40D, 5D




  
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Oct 20, 2018 04:28 |  #23

D60 shot of Carlos Santana circa 2003 with what is probably the worst zoom Canon has ever produced (75-300mm ultrasonic)


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D60 won't take efs lenses though.. (niether will D30)

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Oct 20, 2018 04:32 |  #24

I did get this published the same year (2003)


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Oct 20, 2018 04:47 |  #25

Yes old cameras were great at producing small photo sizes like 8x10 or less (which is good for publications and web sharing). However stress those cameras enough and they fall apart.

I would never buy an old 10 year old body. The current stuff is so much more capable, even small cameras like the M5/M50. I don't want to go back to poor high ISO, poor menu structure, terrible JPG engines, poor metering, slow interfaces, old slow, and low capacity memory cards, and hardly any of the features that today make shooting more enjoyable.

The most notable cameras in my past were the G2, 30D/40D, 1D4, 5D. However the 5D4 does everything those could do and better. So why would I go back to an old body when a newer one could do the work and deliver the goods of several cameras in the past? I can guarantee you there isn't an old Canon camera that can produce an image that newer Canon gear cannot produce. Not even the venerable 5D... The only advantage of the old gear was the lack of an AA filter. It wasn't ISO performance, color rendering, WB, etc, but we have gear today that now harken back to the age of no or low AA filtering.

The only reason people go back to things is nostalgia and nothing much more than that. This is why there is a revival of the old console games. Give it another 5-10 years, and that will all go away. Ditto with items like camera gear, etc. This is also why so many go back to film cameras, they want those memories to become real again. So if you want to buy old gear, do it for the memories, not because they produce superior results to today's gear.


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Oct 20, 2018 15:50 |  #26

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18732685 (external link)
Yes old cameras were great at producing small photo sizes like 8x10 or less (which is good for publications and web sharing). However stress those cameras enough and they fall apart.

I would never buy an old 10 year old body. The current stuff is so much more capable, even small cameras like the M5/M50. I don't want to go back to poor high ISO, poor menu structure, terrible JPG engines, poor metering, slow interfaces, old slow, and low capacity memory cards, and hardly any of the features that today make shooting more enjoyable.

The most notable cameras in my past were the G2, 30D/40D, 1D4, 5D. However the 5D4 does everything those could do and better. So why would I go back to an old body when a newer one could do the work and deliver the goods of several cameras in the past? I can guarantee you there isn't an old Canon camera that can produce an image that newer Canon gear cannot produce. Not even the venerable 5D... The only advantage of the old gear was the lack of an AA filter. It wasn't ISO performance, color rendering, WB, etc, but we have gear today that now harken back to the age of no or low AA filtering.

The only reason people go back to things is nostalgia and nothing much more than that. This is why there is a revival of the old console games. Give it another 5-10 years, and that will all go away. Ditto with items like camera gear, etc. This is also why so many go back to film cameras, they want those memories to become real again. So if you want to buy old gear, do it for the memories, not because they produce superior results to today's gear.

I think you misunderstood my quest. I don't plan to replace my current bodies with old versions. I simply fancy buying an early Canon body to add to my kit, mostly because I want to preserve a piece of future history but I am also motivated by wondering if any of those early DSLRs produced images that had specific qualities. Let's face it, plenty of people still appreciate the old 'film look' and Lomo still has its fans.


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Oct 20, 2018 16:16 |  #27

Spencerphoto wrote in post #18732617 (external link)
I would love to find a working D30 in good condition. No luck so far though. Maybe they sell for silly money?

They are out there...see https://www.ebay.com …UMAAOSwhmtbNW8U​:rk:7:pf:0 (external link) (wuth extras) or

https://www.ebay.com …SEAAOSwn1Fbr8a8​:rk:5:pf:0 (external link) (body only)




  
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Oct 22, 2018 10:43 |  #28

Spencerphoto wrote in post #18732993 (external link)
I think you misunderstood my quest. I don't plan to replace my current bodies with old versions. I simply fancy buying an early Canon body to add to my kit, mostly because I want to preserve a piece of future history but I am also motivated by wondering if any of those early DSLRs produced images that had specific qualities. Let's face it, plenty of people still appreciate the old 'film look' and Lomo still has its fans.

For me, it was nostalgia for a specific model and a particular time in my life. In 1992, I was living in Edinburgh, Scotland, and my 11-year-old AV-1 died. I bought an EOS 100 (the original Elan in the US) at a camera store there. That was my first AF SLR, and I had a lot of fun and learned a lot with it. It had one AF point and nine custom functions. I got rid of it during a brutal cleaning-out period 9 or 10 years ago (probably when my wife and I separated).

About three years ago, I bought one for $15 for off eBay for nostalgia purposes. It had to be a 100, not an Elan! I take it outside maybe once a year and put 1-2 rolls of film through it. That satisfies my nostalgia and reminds me what a pain in the a** film is compared to digital!

As to the original question at the top of this thread, my first DSLR was an EOS 20D (2004), which was a great camera in its day but I wouldn't recommend it now for any reason. There are just so many better used cameras out there. Canon DSLRs are working tools. None of them, even the pro models, are going to appreciate in value or become "historical". You need to get something like a Leica for that. If there was an old camera that you used which has special meaning to you--like the EOS 100 for me in my story above--then get one of those. Otherwise, you're just acting on other peoples' nostalgia for something that you didn't personally experience and never can.

My advice, then, is to buy a new DSLR with features you like and can use today, and use it. Take trips with it, learn some new skills with it, make lots of memories with it, explore new creative avenues with it, and just generally put some serious clicks on the shutter count. Then in 10 years, it will be your own "old" Canon DSLR that will have memories and meaning to you.

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Oct 23, 2018 18:11 |  #29

John from PA wrote in post #18732377 (external link)
Here's your timeline...

https://en.wikipedia.o​rg …Canon_EOS_digit​al_cameras (external link)

Float your cursor over any give model and see a short summary.

This is an excellent link, thanks for posting this! I am still learning all of the various Canon models and this link really puts it all in perspective.

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Oct 23, 2018 23:05 |  #30

Spencerphoto wrote in post #18731861 (external link)
I was thinking. The trend for more and more megapixies has obvious benefits, but also potential downsides. Also, sensors affect the image in lots of ways, not just resolution, as does the electrickery inside the camera body. I rather fancy adding an old body like that to my kit, if such a thing exists.

So, I was wondering if there is an 'old' Canon DSLR that possesses particular qualities other than resolution, frame rate, etc when we look at the images it produces. Looking at some pics recently posted that were taken with a 40D (admittedly not really THAT old) and I was taken aback by the image quality. OK, a computer screen isn't the hardest test, but nevertheless, I was impressed.

So, if you were going to buy a Canon DSLR that is 10 or more years old, what would it be and why? I'll admit off the bat that I'm hoping there will be suggestions OTHER than the most expensive pro bodies of their era, just because I'm contrary.

If you really liked images taken with a 40D it is more likely due to the skills of the person who took them and the quality of any post processing that was performed. Its unlikely there is any intrinsic quality in that camera itself that made the images look better to you than more modern designs. The 40D sensor has much lower resolution and is a much poorer low light performer, with much more noise at even moderate ISO settings, then any modern design DSLR. I think your romantic notion about some subjective superiority of designs like the 40D won't pan out in the real world. That said, if you want an older budget camera to learn with the Canon 40D might meet your requirements. I'm not referring to a pro level camera like the 1D Mark IV which is still a great camera, albeit long in the tooth compared to the 1Dx II.


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