EOS-R - It's out. Thoughts?

samueli wrote in post #18735617
So what would be a fair asking price for a week old R with maybe 200 clicks, and the basic adapter? Similar to my purchasing skills, my selling skills aren't that great either.

Thinking of selling yours already?

Full tutorial from Michael the maven.




Props to the guy, must have been a ton of work.

I'm not at all a birder or wildlife photographer. But I found this man's presentation interesting to listen to. He shows the other side of the coin on a couple things.

Picked mine up this morning and grabbed these shots in the city centre parklands on my way to the bus station.

Taken with the RF 24-105mm F4L.

Cheers

Dennis

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I find Max to be a pretty stand-up guy that shoots it straight. This video is disturbing. The Canon R video really looks bad in this video. Any comments? I really want an R, but if I can't even shoot quality video in the modes it does support, it's useless to me.

mdvaden wrote in post #18735887
Thinking of selling yours already?

I am. While it maybe lighter than the 5D series, it's a lot harder to use one handed. It's not the majority of my photography, but with children or dogs I often run with camera in one hand, remote triggered flash in the other. That's a no-go with the R if I want to adjust focus point. Any hope of focus point selection being updated by firmware seems hopeless based on what I hear the M50 doesn't get (not that the DPAD is any more usable one-handed). Plus, it sounds like remote flash may be a whole problem on it's own. I'll probably do a strobe session before I let it go.

I only read the comments as I can't watch the video at work, but it's clear that Canon hates it's customers and want's them to be the laughing stock of the creative world. So yes, I want to get rid of my R. I wish there was a middle finger smiley. Or maybe I should do a video cover of a certain Lilley Allen song that depicts me destroying my R, but loving upon a different camera brand - so long as I get enough youtube hits to pay for all the carnage.

I know a lot of you antagonists out there love to point the finger and feel superior because you own Sony. But I like Canon. Canon has been a great camera for me for 12 years now. I really, really wanted Canon to put out a good mirrorless offering. I really don't want to buy a Sony. Just like I wouldn't want to buy a Ford even if they make a better spec'd vehicle. Neither are bad, just not me. I guess I'm a fanboy.

But in the end, Sony owners are at the top. So go ahead smile in satisfaction, knowing that you are far superior in every way because you knew well in advance that Sony is the best camera brand overall for useful and mature features, and the work that you produce far outshines anything a Canon owner could even dream of. I'll go hang myself now in shame after I sell all my equipment, because I have no business being a photographer since I didn't buy a Sony. Similarly, I could drive down the expressway throwing $20 bills out the window. It's equally as effective as buying the R. I can use and would appreciate a good photo and video tool. Buying the R gets me neither. Where's that middle finger icon again??

I really need to avoid reading Youtube comments...

samueli wrote in post #18736101
I only read the comments as I can't watch the video at work, but it's clear that Canon hates it's customers and want's them to be the laughing stock of the creative world. ...

..So go ahead smile in satisfaction, knowing that you are far superior in every way because you knew well in advance that Sony was the best camera brand overall, and the work that you produce far outshines anything a Canon owner could even dream of.

Yeah, those Canon Explorers of Light and Peter Hurley, Scott Kelby, etc...their work is considered terrible

samueli wrote in post #18736101
I only read the comments as I can't watch the video at work, but it's clear that Canon hates it's customers and want's them to be the laughing stock of the creative world. So yes, I want to get rid of my R. I wish there was a middle finger smiley. Or maybe I should do a video cover of a certain Lilley Allen song that depicts me destroying my R, but loving upon a different camera brand - so long as I get enough youtube hits to pay for all the carnage.

I know a lot of you antagonists out there love to point the finger and feel superior because you own Sony. But I like Canon. Canon has been a great camera for me for 12 years now. I really, really wanted Canon to put out a good mirrorless offering. I really don't want to buy a Sony. Just like I wouldn't want to buy a Ford even if they make a better spec'd vehicle. Neither are bad, just not me. I guess I'm a fanboy.

But in the end, Sony owners are at the top. So go ahead smile in satisfaction, knowing that you are far superior in every way because you knew well in advance that Sony was the best camera brand overall, and the work that you produce far outshines anything a Canon owner could even dream of. I'll go hang myself now in shame after I sell all my equipment, because I have no business being a photographer if I didn't buy a Sony. Or I could just drive down the expressway throwing $20 bills out the window. It's equally as effective as buying the R. I can use and appreciate a good photo and video tool. Buying the R gets you neither. Where's that middle finger icon again??

I really need to avoid reading Youtube comments...

You're a glass half empty guy, aren't you

bildeb0rg wrote in post #18736135
You're a glass half empty guy, aren't you

How'd you guess?

I'm actually more of a glass completely empty shattered on the floor with a shard of glass in my foot and bleeding all over.

davesrose wrote in post #18736127
Yeah, those Canon Explorers of Light and Peter Hurley, Scott Kelby, etc...their work is considered terrible

No most of their work is captured for newer photography consumers to see so they can promote their teaching business models. Lets not kid anyone here about many of these people. If I could be a fly on the wall and see their accounting books, I would be willing to bet big $$$ that the majority of their incomes comes from peddling the teaching models to new photographers v/s Income from actually doing commercial paid portrait and photography gigs. I personally Know too many that have played the game and are no longer in business. There are probably just as many teaching now as there are new photographers to meet demands.

While Peter and Scott are excellent instructors and they know what they are doing, I would venture to say, IF you could see the books....the majority of the $$$ they make does not come from paid gigs like the rest of us.

Keep that in mind when you start dropping dimes and big names

umphotography wrote in post #18736198
While Peter and Scott are excellent instructors and they know what they are doing, I would venture to say, IF you could see the books....the majority of the $$$ they make does not come from paid gigs like the rest of us.

Keep that in mind when you start dropping dimes and big names

My point was that there are respected professionals making photographs that can outshine another photographer using some other brand. How much money Peter or Scott make from their current photos is irrelevant. The fact is they still use Canon gear to make the photos that everyone praises. A camera is a tool: the person behind the camera is what makes a great photo.

samueli wrote in post #18736101
I only read the comments as I can't watch the video at work, but it's clear that Canon hates it's customers and want's them to be the laughing stock of the creative world. So yes, I want to get rid of my R. I wish there was a middle finger smiley. Or maybe I should do a video cover of a certain Lilley Allen song that depicts me destroying my R, but loving upon a different camera brand - so long as I get enough youtube hits to pay for all the carnage.

If Canon were in Sony's shoes with next to nothing for legacy bodies and glass, Canon could have outperformed Sony's recent technological progress and products. Sony was never in Canon's shoes so it was much easier for Sony to take Sony's path. Canon can't take the same road because from their end, they have to think about a complete new system that near perfectly integrates with the last system of legacy glass and bodies.

So as a business person, I would expect Canon to take several years longer to transition.

davesrose wrote in post #18736201
My point was that there are respected professionals making photographs that can outshine another photographer using some other brand. How much money Peter or Scott make from their current photos is irrelevant. The fact is they still use Canon gear to make the photos that everyone praises. A camera is a tool: the person behind the camera is what makes a great photo.

They use canon gear because its likely given to them. They are very good photographers. But camera and tech knowledge means NOTHING anymore. MFG's are only concerned internet presence, social media presence and the amount of people that follow these guys.....Why do you think they live on social media ? Why do you think they fight to get on some of these national teaching platforms.

They could make great images with an entry level consumer grade camera. I agree with the last part. A camera is nothing more than a tool. It is the person behind the camera----Unless they are in 12800 ISO lighting conditions or they need fast FPS for capture needs or in other conditions where some of these camera features really matter

mdvaden wrote in post #18736202
If Canon were in Sony's shoes with next to nothing for legacy bodies and glass, Canon could have outperformed Sony's recent technological progress and products. Sony was never in Canon's shoes so it was much easier for Sony to take Sony's path. Canon can't take the same road because from their end, they have to think about a complete new system that near perfectly integrates with the last system of legacy glass and bodies.

So as a business person, I would expect Canon to take several years longer to transition.

That's the best explanation of heard that possibly explains Canon's position and mirrorless release.