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Oct 25, 2018 14:30 |  #8926

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Isn't everyone?

Well yes...


But I can go on youtube and probably find the exact same material all of them are using, and get it for free.


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Oct 25, 2018 15:07 |  #8927

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It's funny to see "trends" of people copying other people.

Now on social media I follow well-known portrait photographers such as Damien Lovegrove, Lindsay Adler, Sue Bryce, Zack Arias, etc.

I *think* on Instagram, the first time I saw an advertisement for a photography "school" of sorts was Felix Kunze, in collaboration with Sue Bryce.

Monthly membership fees, get 100's of videos, etc.

Then Zack Arias came out with a training membership...

Then Damien....

etc.

Just saw an advertisement from Lara Jade who just brought one out lol.

Don't think I've seen one from Lindsay....yet.

But funny to see how a lot of them are following suit. Don't get me wrong, I do love the images they produce, as do others, but they are still just normal people out to make money in this world.

There is more money in teaching than actually doing the photography stuff.


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Oct 25, 2018 16:56 |  #8928

PLLphotography wrote in post #18736310 (external link)
just normal people out to make money in this world.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18736321 (external link)
Isn't everyone?


What Normal? Hope not  :p

But yes we all got make a buck [Fuji don't give out cameras for free (very often)], and there are plenty of people out there who want to learn of get some confidence installed in them. Personally I just don't have time/patience to dedicate to a sub service & I'd much rather just buy it up front as it might take me a few years to sit through all the content.


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Oct 25, 2018 18:33 |  #8929

There is video instruction which is worth watching and worth paying for. Even if the information is on YouTube, you have to watch a lot of junk and also see many things repeated. A properly designed video class builds information so you can build a good skill. And there is some material which is on a higher level and can't be presented in short form and doesn't tend to make it on YouTube.

There is also plenty of material for sale which is not worth watching for free ;).

My rule of thumb is watch what the person has out for free. If they say they are going to teach what you are interested in, don't be fooled yet. Watch enough that you actually learn something substantive. Why? Because my experience is that those who "talk about what they will teach you" instead of "launching into teaching because they have so much information to get through" are big on sizzle but short on steak :).

The great majority of material on lighting tends to rehash the basics (this is hard light, this is soft light, this is feathering, key, fill, hairlight, background light, basic lighting patterns, strobe vs ambient, etc) which you can, indeed, get well (or poorly) delivered for free. Most of the Photoshop stuff is either pretty basic, a bad practice you should avoid or some cool trick which has narrow application. There are a few with good business advice (but also plenty with questionable advice there, too).

But if you search a bit and use my rule of thumb, there are some worthy investments. And a useful class can save you a lot of time. If you don't invest the effort to practice the skills, you won't gain much, because most of what moves you forward is practice. Good classes just make your practice more efficient or help you better direct your practice.


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Oct 25, 2018 19:01 |  #8930

My very first "instructional" video for photography I was ever exposed to was Zack Arias' One Light (first version). After watching that video (and referencing it from time to time after for a refresher) I was off running.


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Oct 25, 2018 19:05 |  #8931

so.. maybe i'm doing something wrong..

after having the xt3 for about 3 weeks , i've only just now turned on the touch screen.

the main reason being to see if I could switch faces when face/eye detect is on in stills or in video.
so yeah, you cant.. although I knew that already.

what is happening though as I treid going back and forth between use of touch screen and turning on/off face/eye , is thhe green light stays on and my fn buttons become useless.. sometimes all , sometimes only some ..
if I hit the menu button its clears out the "locked out" situation , or sometimes if I just wait it out.


anyone else have any issues like this.?

one way that always triggers this semi frozen mode is if i'm in face/eye and I touch the screen..


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Oct 25, 2018 23:51 |  #8932

PLLphotography wrote in post #18736328 (external link)
Well yes...


But I can go on youtube and probably find the exact same material all of them are using, and get it for free.

The same can be said for just about anything you can learn though. We live in an age of information. If you know where to look and have the self discipline you can teach yourself pretty much anything these days.

Different teachers can teach the same exact things and reach totally different groups of people. We all respond differently to different teachers/teaching styles. Some people love Zach Arias, some don't... neither are wrong, neither are right. If his teaching "works" for someone, why wouldn't they be inclined to pay for the lessons?

I've never bought a photography class yet, but I probably would if I were seeking for more payed gigs just to build my confidence up further. I've watched lots of material and read even more all over the web though, but I've seen more "bad" videos (for my needs/interests) than I have "good" I'd think... so if I knew I'd be getting consistently "good" material without having to dig for it, I'd definitely consider paying for it.

Ironically your last post (which was posted after I had half typed the above response on my phone :lol: ) pretty much points out exactly what I'm talking about.

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My very first "instructional" video for photography I was ever exposed to was Zack Arias' One Light (first version). After watching that video (and referencing it from time to time after for a refresher) I was off running.

Wouldn't that be enough to make you consider paying for a line of classes from him?


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Oct 26, 2018 08:08 as a reply to  @ rantercsr's post |  #8933

Yea, I found that also, once I use the touch screen to AF the functions buttons have no response. I've emailed Fuji about it so will see what they say.

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Oct 26, 2018 08:28 |  #8934

Man, I just looked at bunch of fireworks on the beach shots that I took about 3 weeks ago and everyone OOF. I had set focus and changed to MF for the very first time. Don't know why I did that. Was shooting f11 or so. Even if tripod moved a bit, DoF should have been huge. Anyways, next sure use AF.


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Oct 26, 2018 09:08 |  #8935

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Ironically your last post (which was posted after I had half typed the above response on my phone :lol: ) pretty much points out exactly what I'm talking about.

Wouldn't that be enough to make you consider paying for a line of classes from him?

and I did. I bought both version 1.0 and 2.0 of his onelight class. it was informative to get me started, but at this point, I have no need for a subscription-based learning system. I acknowledge other people may be thrilled and signing up in droves. Youtube is a great source to find lessons for whatever you need.

Take Aaron Nace... fantastic at photoshop. has a subscription-based system for being able to access tons of photoshop tutorials. However... I can go no youtube, and PixImperfect does a fantastic job as well... for free. :D

My main point was, at first there seemed to be nothing of the type, then all of a sudden all of these well-known photographers bring out the same type of classes around the same time. Almost like they were all sitting around a table chit-chatting, one of them mentions they are thinking about an online subscription-based class, and all of them scramble to get one up and running.


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Oct 26, 2018 09:16 |  #8936

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and I did. I bought both version 1.0 and 2.0 of his onelight class. it was informative to get me started, but at this point, I have no need for a subscription-based learning system. I acknowledge other people may be thrilled and signing up in droves. Youtube is a great source to find lessons for whatever you need.

Take Aaron Nace... fantastic at photoshop. has a subscription-based system for being able to access tons of photoshop tutorials. However... I can go no youtube, and PixImperfect does a fantastic job as well... for free. :D

My main point was, at first there seemed to be nothing of the type, then all of a sudden all of these well-known photographers bring out the same type of classes around the same time. Almost like they were all sitting around a table chit-chatting, one of them mentions they are thinking about an online subscription-based class, and all of them scramble to get one up and running.

And how many of them were on Creative Live? Just sayin' ....


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Oct 26, 2018 10:03 |  #8937

PLLphotography wrote in post #18736874 (external link)
and I did. I bought both version 1.0 and 2.0 of his onelight class. it was informative to get me started, but at this point, I have no need for a subscription-based learning system. I acknowledge other people may be thrilled and signing up in droves. Youtube is a great source to find lessons for whatever you need.

Take Aaron Nace... fantastic at photoshop. has a subscription-based system for being able to access tons of photoshop tutorials. However... I can go no youtube, and PixImperfect does a fantastic job as well... for free. :D

My main point was, at first there seemed to be nothing of the type, then all of a sudden all of these well-known photographers bring out the same type of classes around the same time. Almost like they were all sitting around a table chit-chatting, one of them mentions they are thinking about an online subscription-based class, and all of them scramble to get one up and running.

I mean, if I thought I could make some cash doing it I'd be setting it up too! :lol:

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Oct 26, 2018 19:02 |  #8938

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^^ Wouldn't eye AF be much faster and better.


It would be faster however Im not sure if you can get the wire frame showing in that mode (eye AF mode) on the xt3. On the xt2/xt20 the wire frame /focus peeking can only be activated in manual focus setting so Im assuming will be the same on the Xt3?....The whole idea of using this focus peeking is as a check on the AF given the AF module sometimes confirms an on target af aquistion when its actually missed. Doesnt happen a lot however for me it was enough to warrant me using the Manual Focus setting using l back button AF( with focus peeking) . The beauty of using the weireframe/focus peeking is when the AF is aquired you see exactly what point the AF is taken from on/in film plane via the colored wireframe . Then if it doesnt look right like the mid point of the DOF wireframe isnt the same area as the AF point you either take another AF readfing via the AF backbutton or alternatively adjust the manual focus ring


The manual focus wireframe DOF focusing shown here at 5.09....https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=iTEmXYksqTk (external link) . This is for xt
-20 and includes touch screen however later on at 8.15 mark he shows using the back button AF work around that allows all the features together as Ive described above which will be for xpro 2 and xt 2 as they dont have touch screens. This is what I term the " have your cake and eat it as well " mode as it gives everything at once that someone needs for spot on focus without slowing everything down. That is... AF with focus peeking and if needed ability to manual focus via the focus ring

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Oct 26, 2018 19:59 as a reply to  @ Two Hot Shoes's post |  #8939

Ah ok,. Well releived that its on them to fix it .. and not my camera being broken.
Not a huge deal to me since i r3ally dont use touch screen anymore since my canon rebel days.

I think if fuji and sony let me use the touch to use menus id probabaly use it alot more , but for af in stills it doesnt interest me. For videos its alot more useful


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Oct 26, 2018 20:19 as a reply to  @ rantercsr's post |  #8940

If you look in the top right of your screen when that happens you will see AF off in green. Tap that to turn off the AF-L. This was by design (same when shutter is half pressed). I can think of a few instances like a landscape or architecture shot where it’s a pain.


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