Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS General Gear Talk Camera Vs. Camera 
Thread started 29 Oct 2018 (Monday) 12:42
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Upgrade from 5D Mark II: 5D Mark IV or EOS R?

 
ozziepuppy
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 12:42 |  #1

I have a 5D Mark II (great camera) and a new SL2 for travel (liking it very much). I THINK I want to upgrade my 5D MKII to a 5D Mark IV for more autofocus points and an extended ISO range for my microstock photos. I am very used to the 5D series so the IV seems like it would be an easy upgrade. However, when I read through the EOS R thread I am struck by how much people seem to like that camera, and I wonder if that would be a better choice. I have read and re-read through the specs and reviews for both cameras on various websites, but I am still torn. I would appreciate input -- pros and cons. My main interests are landscapes, wildlife (local waterfowl or zoo/aquarium creatures), macros, family photos, sunsets, & local (not airline) travel. Not interested in sports or video. I'm just an amateur/hobbyist but I have always found that having the right tool for the job increases enjoyment and significantly lessens frustration! Thanks.


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
cueball
Senior Member
Avatar
505 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 127
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Illinois
     
Oct 29, 2018 16:37 |  #2

As an owner of both, I Think the R gets my vote.

That said, I don’t think it measures up to my 5D4’s weather sealing and fast-action AF, so if your wildlife photos involve BIF you may want to lean toward the DSLR.

I will be very honest with you though, even with my lenses dialed in through AFMA on the 5D4, I am almost finding a whole new life on my amazing L glass with the R simply because of its DPAF. For static or slow-moving subjects, it simply nails the AF in a way my 5D4 does not.


Canon: 5D Mark IV, EOS R, 35 f1.4L II, 85 f1.4L IS, 16-35 f4L IS, 24-70 f2.8L II, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS II, 100 f2.8L IS Macro, 2X III, 1.4X III, 580EX II, 430EX
Feedback: https://photography-on-the.net …=12723614&postc​ount=27889, https://photography-on-the.net …=13303433&postc​ount=30051

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ozziepuppy
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 17:35 as a reply to  @ cueball's post |  #3

Yes, I was at the lake the other day and missed every shot of a beautiful blue heron that landed and took off several times, but that may have been, in part, due to a lens limitation as well a camera limitation.

I have enjoyed the DPAF on my little SL2; it is very convenient to just touch the part of the screen you want to focus on. For some reason I thought the MK IV had that; guess I was mistaken.

Still thinking. . .


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cueball
Senior Member
Avatar
505 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 127
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Illinois
     
Oct 29, 2018 18:15 |  #4

ozziepuppy wrote in post #18739534 (external link)
Yes, I was at the lake the other day and missed every shot of a beautiful blue heron that landed and took off several times, but that may have been, in part, due to a lens limitation as well a camera limitation.

I have enjoyed the DPAF on my little SL2; it is very convenient to just touch the part of the screen you want to focus on. For some reason I thought the MK IV had that; guess I was mistaken.

Still thinking. . .

It does have it in live view. It’s one of the reasons I was initially excited when the R was announced. The touch to focus/shoot on the 5D4’s live view mode worked better for some situations than when using the viewfinder (again based on my experience). With the R, you have the same level of accuracy when choosing an AF point and shooting through the viewfinder or you can use the excellent flip screen and touch to focus/shoot.


Canon: 5D Mark IV, EOS R, 35 f1.4L II, 85 f1.4L IS, 16-35 f4L IS, 24-70 f2.8L II, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS II, 100 f2.8L IS Macro, 2X III, 1.4X III, 580EX II, 430EX
Feedback: https://photography-on-the.net …=12723614&postc​ount=27889, https://photography-on-the.net …=13303433&postc​ount=30051

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ozziepuppy
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 18:32 |  #5

cueball wrote in post #18739571 (external link)
It does have it in live view. It’s one of the reasons I was initially excited when the R was announced. The touch to focus/shoot on the 5D4’s live view mode worked better for some situations than when using the viewfinder (again based on my experience). With the R, you have the same level of accuracy when choosing an AF point and shooting through the viewfinder or you can use the excellent flip screen and touch to focus/shoot.

OK great, I thought that the Mark IV had it in live view.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the EVF on the R. I may have to try to see it in person. I have never used an EVF.


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cueball
Senior Member
Avatar
505 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 127
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Illinois
     
Oct 29, 2018 18:49 as a reply to  @ ozziepuppy's post |  #6

It changes you :)

My problem was that I always wanted the performance of my Canon gear with the EVF experience of my former Olympus kit. Now I finally have it. It’s really awesome to see exactly how your setting choices impact your exposure in real-time. The coverage area for AF also provides more compositional opportunities. I highly suggest trying to rent it or find a local retailer to play around/test it.


Canon: 5D Mark IV, EOS R, 35 f1.4L II, 85 f1.4L IS, 16-35 f4L IS, 24-70 f2.8L II, 70-200 f2.8L IS II, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS II, 100 f2.8L IS Macro, 2X III, 1.4X III, 580EX II, 430EX
Feedback: https://photography-on-the.net …=12723614&postc​ount=27889, https://photography-on-the.net …=13303433&postc​ount=30051

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
davesrose
Title Fairy still hasn't visited me!
3,614 posts
Likes: 489
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Post edited 3 months ago by davesrose.
     
Oct 29, 2018 21:13 |  #7

My first DSLR was a 5Dc. I didn't upgrade to the II because it had the same AF as the 5D (which was one of the main limiting factors I found about it). I then did upgrade to the 5D3, and fell in love with its AF. The DR was just enough that I also found I didn't see as much noise when raising shadows with my given exposures. I upgraded to the 5D4 before the Canon R announcement, but I have no buyers remorse. From what I have read, the Canon R's sensor may be a bit more compressed from the 5D4, and for overall features it's still not at the level as the 5D4. When it comes to DPAF, the 5D4 is also good: I just recently tried the remote wifi app, and had no problems with touching the area of the screen I wanted in focus. However, the Canon R is also substantially cheaper...and when you consider that, it is a very good price point. It has a sensor similar to the 5D4, and is just slightly more expensive then the 6D2 (which has AF points just in the center and sensor performance everyone bemoans).


Canon 5D mk IV
EF 135mm 2.0L, EF 70-200mm 2.8L IS II, EF 24-70 2.8L II, EF 50mm 1.4, EF 100mm 2.8L Macro, EF 16-35mm 4L IS, Sigma 150-600mm C, 580EX, 600EX-RT, MeFoto Globetrotter tripod, grips, Black Rapid RS-7, CAMS plate and strap system, Lowepro Flipside 500 AW, and a few other things...
smugmug (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
35,357 posts
Gallery: 98 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 4888
Joined May 2002
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Oct 29, 2018 21:52 as a reply to  @ ozziepuppy's post |  #8

I switched out my SL2 to the M50, so I can try out Canon mirrorless and EVF. It is a game changer for manual focusing and seeing your exposure real-time.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ozziepuppy
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 21:58 |  #9

Right now the IV is not super significantly higher than the R because it is on sale for $400 off plus you get >$100 in "free" stuff (extra battery, etc. at B&H anyway) bringing it to under (effectively) $3000 (approx $2980 from a reputable site, not from the ones purporting to sell it for $2150); the R would be $2299 plus $64 for the extra battery (a necessity) plus $199 for the control ring adapter, so about $2562 -- so about $400 difference I guess, but then there would be the temptation to also get at least one of the R lenses. . .(let's be honest, the temptation is real!). I actually tend to think the IV might be less expensive overall (especially since I would feel obligated to sell my II if I got a IV, but if I got the R I would want to keep my II, if that makes any sense).

"It changes you"---> :-) I could use some changing. Seriously, I probably do need to see it/them in a store. I hate to keep looking at things in a store and then buying them online (did that with the SL2, seems rude) but I do think I need to go and look at things in person.

Thanks for the input.


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ozziepuppy
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 22:10 |  #10

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18739678 (external link)
I switched out my SL2 to the M50, so I can try out Canon mirrorless and EVF. It is a game changer for manual focusing and seeing your exposure real-time.

Yes TeamSpeed, I can't believe you did that! You were the reason I even considered, & then ended up with, the SL2, LOL! Did you sell your SL2 or did you keep it? I like mine a lot, so no regrets there. :-)

I also looked at the M50 when I was considering the G7 X II & the SL2 for a small travel camera; it seemed like a very nice camera as well (although the salesperson kept pushing me toward Sony mirrorless because he predicted that Canon would not continue to support the type of lens mount on the M50 due to the R being out & having a different kind of mount--it was somewhat confusing). Sounds like you really like the M50!

Hopefully tomorrow I can check out the EVF.


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
35,357 posts
Gallery: 98 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 4888
Joined May 2002
Location: Northern Indiana
Post edited 3 months ago by TeamSpeed. (2 edits in all)
     
Oct 29, 2018 22:15 |  #11

ozziepuppy wrote in post #18739687 (external link)
Yes TeamSpeed, I can't believe you did that! You were the reason I even considered, & then ended up with, the SL2, LOL! Did you sell your SL2 or did you keep it? I like mine a lot, so no regrets there. :-)

I also looked at the M50 when I was considering the G7 X II & the SL2 for a small travel camera; it seemed like a very nice camera as well (although the salesperson kept pushing me toward Sony mirrorless because he predicted that Canon would not continue to support the type of lens mount on the M50 due to the R being out & having a different kind of mount--it was somewhat confusing). Sounds like you really like the M50!

Hopefully tomorrow I can check out the EVF.

After reading the reviews on the M50 and checking it out locally, I sold the SL2. The M50 is even smaller, but handles nearly identically. With the kit lens, the camera is so small, it fits in my coat pocket. Also with the $250 50mm 1.2 manual lens, the two together are an awesome duo. The peak focus works so well.

Love the manual focusing, there is nothing like it on the DSLR front, even with live view and using the 5X. I have been taking the M50 with me everywhere, where I didn't so much with the SL2. This is just a "more funner" combination!


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ozziepuppy
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
3,125 posts
Gallery: 197 photos
Likes: 1142
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Kansas
     
Oct 29, 2018 22:37 |  #12

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18739692 (external link)
After reading the reviews on the M50 and checking it out locally, I sold the SL2. The M50 is even smaller, but handles nearly identically. With the kit lens, the camera is so small, it fits in my coat pocket. Also with the $250 50mm 1.2 manual lens, the two together are an awesome duo. The peak focus works so well.

Love the manual focusing, there is nothing like it on the DSLR front, even with live view and using the 5X. I have been taking the M50 with me everywhere, where I didn't so much with the SL2. Just a more funner combination!
thumbnail
Hosted photo: posted by TeamSpeed in
./showthread.php?p=187​39692&i=i261487821
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

thumbnail
Hosted photo: posted by TeamSpeed in
./showthread.php?p=187​39692&i=i118785191
forum: Camera Vs. Camera

Beautiful photos!


Marci
Constructive criticism always appreciated.
Gear
Pre-2018 Feedback :)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
35,357 posts
Gallery: 98 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 4888
Joined May 2002
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Oct 29, 2018 22:53 as a reply to  @ ozziepuppy's post |  #13

Thank you, focus peaking makes manual focus on the eyes so very easy.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mihazero
Member
161 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 205
Joined Dec 2013
     
Nov 08, 2018 16:51 |  #14

ozziepuppy wrote in post #18739287 (external link)
I have a 5D Mark II (great camera) and a new SL2 for travel (liking it very much). I THINK I want to upgrade my 5D MKII to a 5D Mark IV for more autofocus points and an extended ISO range for my microstock photos. I am very used to the 5D series so the IV seems like it would be an easy upgrade. However, when I read through the EOS R thread I am struck by how much people seem to like that camera, and I wonder if that would be a better choice. I have read and re-read through the specs and reviews for both cameras on various websites, but I am still torn. I would appreciate input -- pros and cons. My main interests are landscapes, wildlife (local waterfowl or zoo/aquarium creatures), macros, family photos, sunsets, & local (not airline) travel. Not interested in sports or video. I'm just an amateur/hobbyist but I have always found that having the right tool for the job increases enjoyment and significantly lessens frustration! Thanks.

I have tested EOS R just few days ago and was amazed how much i didnt like. Coming from something like 5D form factor, EOS R is a nightmare. Now if you are a slow paced shooter and dont do any events or fast paced stuff ... yes you can use it. But ergonomics are far superior on 80D let alone on any 5D ever. EOS R ergonomics are more headed toward heavy use of touch screen. Want to change something? Take Your eye off and use touch screen. Dont get me wrong there is an option to press M. FN button then scroll till you get what you want, then press SET then scroll till you changed THAT setting then press another button to fix it. So its really not made with fast paced in mind. Also i hoped to see sooo many sharp photos ... because new AF should be AWESOME !! From my experience it i not as sharp as im used to. Well ... it may be sharp, i just wasnt able to adjust as quickly and get super sharp photos.

In hind sight 5D mk4 is just superior professional camera.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
The ­ Fox
Goldmember
Avatar
1,781 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 90
Joined Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
     
Nov 08, 2018 17:35 |  #15

I would go the 5D mk IV. Reason being is the EOS R is a first gen camera, a great first gen but it still isnt as polished as it could be. I am kind of in the same boat waiting since they are incredible cameras. I am just holding out to the EOS R mk II or at least a firmware update that fixes a lot of the complaints about it.


"I work from awkwardness. By that I mean I don't arrange things. If I stand in front of something, instead of arranging it, I arrange myself" -Diane Arbus
7D MK II Gripped | 7D Gripped |17-50mm F2.8 | 35mm F1.4 | 60mm F2.8 Macro | 85mm F1.8 | 135mm F2L | 70-200mm F4L IS |

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

5,273 views & 61 likes for this thread
Upgrade from 5D Mark II: 5D Mark IV or EOS R?
FORUMS General Gear Talk Camera Vs. Camera 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is kotsyphotography
253 guests, 239 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.