Canon EOS R has Crucified my thoughts about changing to Sony

mystik610 wrote in post #18709718
Branding preferences aside, the only draw that the EOS R has is presumed better compatibility with adapted EF lenses. Given the size of Canon's existing user base, this is pretty significant though.

That benefit is huge, because the abundance of Canon lenses one of the biggest. And the EOS R makes virtually every EF lens better than each has ever been experienced before.

But there's also the new converging triangles for manual focus that enables me to keep my Zeiss Milvus if desired. World's fastest, or one of the fastest autofocus. Way more than ample focus points. And for me, much better holding ergonomics. It also fits my Canon version Phottix Odin triggers. And my reserve of batteries from the Canon 5D mk iii work in it too. The screen is one of the best for rotation.

It's easy to list far more than the "only" you wrote for who knows what basis. That's even funny. But having Canon glass and gear, the EOS R is a solid highway forward to the next few years.

On another note ...

Recent review by Jared Polin about the EOS R after he had time to shoot with it.

Charlie wrote in post #18738375
you are in the "Changing Camera Brands" section of the forum, and optics are overrated****


B. Many moved to Sony in spite of adapter problems, you should rethink this. This goes back to point A. Stop gap solution, but the camera was so compelling, than many took those risks to reap the rewards.

there are many folks that did sell off 10's of thousands in gear to switch to Sony, it's not like you lose all of it. Anyone going to the R system WILL do the same eventually, the only difference here is better transition process.

Charlie Im going to call you on the rewards remark

Exactly what rewards do you have with your Sony that beat the rewards that I have with a 1Dx2 or a 5D4 ?

1- I will give you ISO- Not sure what body you have but I would venture to say the top bodies have the 1Dx2 by about 3/4 of a stop
2- I will give you weight

Exactly what are these rewards I keep reading about. Because for the 2 days that I messed around with the A7111---- I didnt see them

Lastly, I dont see anyone selling off L lens unless there is something in the R line up that they dont have. At that point they can make a call. For me, I will get the 24-105 because the current 24-105L is Crapola especially if you try to compare to what the R 24-105 will produce. I think canon shooters will have better options than Sony shooters

umphotography wrote in post #18738767
Charlie Im going to call you on the rewards remark

Exactly what rewards do you have with your Sony that beat the rewards that I have with a 1Dx2 or a 5D4 ?

1- I will give you ISO- Not sure what body you have but I would venture to say the top bodies have the 1Dx2 by about 3/4 of a stop
2- I will give you weight

Exactly what are these rewards I keep reading about. Because for the 2 days that I messed around with the A7111---- I didnt see them

Lastly, I dont see anyone selling off L lens unless there is something in the R line up that they dont have. At that point they can make a call. For me, I will get the 24-105 because the current 24-105L is Crapola especially if you try to compare to what the R 24-105 will produce. I think canon shooters will have better options than Sony shooters

I transitioned and still adapt when needed.

It was really the Sony rabbit hole that many experience, many factors.

Focus peaking in viewfinder and the general ability to adapt legacy glass was just too much fun.

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Charlie wrote in post #18738927
I transitioned and still adapt when needed.

It was really the Sony rabbit hole that many experience, many factors.

Focus peaking in viewfinder and the general ability to adapt legacy glass was just too much fun.

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posted by Charlie originally in forum: Sony Digital Cameras

Ability to have a powerful lightweight setup cannot be underestimated.

A7r3 + 35 f2.8, in a belt clippable belt..... Not many FF cameras, without lenses, can fit in a bag like that. It make's all the difference in the world, between taking a camera with me vs leaving it home.

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Keep in mind, some came to try out Sony's while they were even smaller, refer to first image, that body weighed only 500g. Now we're near 700g, for IBIS and fantastic battery life, I guess the 200g was worthwhile.

Eye focus, it's revolutionary.

IBIS, I hedged by bets on the system as soon as this was released, knew the best was soon to come, and it did. I started selling off a few L lenses in exchange for smaller, lighter, and slower lenses. I still had some fast lenses, but cut down on them. Cutting the 50L hurt for a little bit, but totally reconciled.

Accuracy, gone were the days of MFA. bye bye FoCal license, you are no longer needed.

Experimentation X factor, the system went through many transitions, and it was more fun. You see the ND filter for adapted EF lenses? That's been available for years, I had a setup, not as good as I liked. Lens experiments went wild, CV 12, 12mm FF lens that was 200g, just so unique. 35 f1.7, Nikon, Canon, Minolta, CY Zeiss..... There was just so many options and rabbit holes.

Travel friendly

Less intimidation, people react differently when you're pointing around a 5 D vs A7 and small lens. The 5D is massive regardless of lens. Family memories are important, and people don't Dodge a small camera.

Ease of use in LCD mode. The camera was built to shoot that way?

Tilt screen, made overhead and low angle shooting much more pleasurable.

Silent shooting

Crop mode on the fly, sure I can do it in post, but beforehand helps with composition. Helps a ton with video. A single lens can easily do A And B roll.

Buying into a more future proof system, the lack of mirror had an few important advantages. Sony doesn't have to protect a DSLR lineup. Single card slot by Canon/Nikon is protection. They were pushing the envelope so hard, it felt like a company I could get behind.

Consolidation, a camera that was small when I needed it to be, and powerful when I need it to be.

So for a Canon and Nikon shooter. many fo these features you listed are there on the bodies being introduced and we will likely see al of tis at the next release. Someone hit the nail on the head, This was a entry level camera to full frame for mirrorless .... so a 6D equivalent, with professional top of the line glass......Kind of a bonehead move by Canon. Do you really think that are not going to release a pro body aimed at exceeding the A7iii and a body thats going to go after the A9 And it will hopefully have everything you just listed. So for Canon shooters who have been waiting. I think we have a much easier transition especially to the pocket book.

I will go on record- This next release. Canon will be completely on Par with Sony and the lens line up that Canon currently has and the R mount lens that will be produced will really make canon shooters glad they waited and a premier product to use.......DSLR's are now going to be Dead on arrival at this next update but Canon shooters will have the advantage because they can adapt the existing L lens with no problems and they can play in both technologies with no issues. DSLR and R Mirrorless options. They are basically getting 2 systems for the price of one. They can buy into mirrorless and still use the existing equipment that all the sony shooters had to sell off.

Im glad I waited and did not drop my standards or adapt and shoot around the issues that Sony presented. With Canon. Its just going t work as designed with both systems and we will have superior native R Mount glass to consider. Thats the advantage

Adapted lenses work well enough for most purposes on Sony bodies. I don’t like them for darkened wedding receptions, but even now still use adapted glass for professional portraiture and even parts of weddings.

The main reason people who switch to Sony end up getting native glass is simply because the native glass is so good. Those 10+ year old EF lenses just don’t hold up against modern lenses. Aside from that, the shooting experience with smaller/lighter/better balanced native glass is much better than using adapted glass and jacking around with adapters. Adapted lenses are terribly unbalanced because the spacer pushes all of the weight to the front of the set-up, and changing lenses in the field with an adapter in the mix is really cumbersome.

Plus earlier iterations of Sony bodies had a lot of AF limitations with adapted glass. Now that things like eye-AF now work with adapted glass there is less urgency to sell off Canon glass as there was four years ago when I made the transition.

I do hope Canon releases a body on par with A9 or even a7rIII. But the thing is by that time, Sony will have another camera out which will be one step ahead. Just look at Nikon Z7. Nikon AF supposed to be the best in dSLR world and look what they could do for Z7, their professional body. That shows it is not that easy for these dSLR folks to transition to mirrorless so easily. Canon is already behind sensors, now even AF. Lenses are pretty much same, to me Sony, Fuji as good as Canon, some even better. I do like the new canon 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.2 (rumored).

umphotography wrote in post #18739197
So for a Canon and Nikon shooter. many fo these features you listed are there on the bodies being introduced and we will likely see al of tis at the next release. Someone hit the nail on the head, This was a entry level camera to full frame for mirrorless .... so a 6D equivalent, with professional top of the line glass......Kind of a bonehead move by Canon. Do you really think that are not going to release a pro body aimed at exceeding the A7iii and a body thats going to go after the A9 And it will hopefully have everything you just listed. So for Canon shooters who have been waiting. I think we have a much easier transition especially to the pocket book.

The problem that you're ignoring is that Sony's "entry level" FF mirrorless camera is the a7iii... it's the same price as the EOS R with more features.

I find it funny that you ask if Canon won't release a "pro" model to surpass Sony's entry model... I sure hope they do, and if they're going to ask significantly more for it than the R it better FAR surpass the a7iii.

Next release, next release, next release!
Just you wait and see!

If we really want to play that game then its only fair to allow the internet the fun of making up specs for every other camera manufacturer and comparing.

elitejp wrote in post #18739393
Next release, next release, next release!
Just you wait and see!

If we really want to play that game then its only fair to allow the internet the fun of making up specs for every other camera manufacturer and comparing.

I'm positive Sony's next release will go out and take the pictures for you while you sleep in.

But yeah.....you hit it here. Compare the cameras that are announced and exist. Don't tell me how great the vaporware is gonna be.

And E.G. is right, the EOS-R is priced above the Sony A7III. You can't tell me that the next, yet more expensive Canon (that doesn't exist) is going to beat it.

bobbyz wrote in post #18739237
I do hope Canon releases a body on par with A9 or even a7rIII. But the thing is by that time, Sony will have another camera out which will be one step ahead. Just look at Nikon Z7. Nikon AF supposed to be the best in dSLR world and look what they could do for Z7, their professional body. That shows it is not that easy for these dSLR folks to transition to mirrorless so easily. Canon is already behind sensors, now even AF. Lenses are pretty much same, to me Sony, Fuji as good as Canon, some even better. I do like the new canon 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.2 (rumored).

Sony will have one more camera that's one step behind and one step ahead.

It's interesting how often people post about Sony or other brands with blinders on.

Canon has some technology, weather sealing and glass that's beyond Sony. And Sony has some stuff that's beyond in other areas.

mdvaden wrote in post #18739606
Sony will have one more camera that's one step behind and one step ahead.

It's interesting how often people post about Sony or other brands with blinders on.

Canon has some technology, weather sealing and glass that's beyond Sony. And Sony has some stuff that's beyond in other area.

One could argue that all the EOS R apologists are posting with their canon blinders on

mystik610 wrote in post #18739611
One could argue that all the EOS R apologists are posting with their canon blinders on

I love Canon but will not accept their snail pace allocation of features.

My introduction to Sony has been a logical step in features set and mirrorless technology. Now that the $3000 CDN EOS R is available I am even more convinced that I made a good choice.

Will I buy a Mirrorless FF canon body? sure .....when Canon wakes up and introduces IBIS and dual cards.

If Canon from the get go introduced the EOS R as a prosumer with slightly better specs than a 6dmk2 introductory FF body that would be cool. Price point of $3000 mirrorless body with single memory card slot is questionable for me. The Canadian price of the Sony A7iii is 2500 bucks and it destroys the Canon EOS R.

If Canon introduced a Sony A7iii equivalence from the beginning I would buy one now. Problem is Canon is set in their ways and will take a long time to match the "BASIC" Sony A7iii with ibis and superior eye focus.

I'll give Canon some time before they can take some money out of my wallet.

In the meantime I will be throwing a good chunk of money to Sony. Fuji did not put ibis in the Xt3 and will unlikely put IBIS in their Xt4 or it will kill their bulky XH1 series crop sensor body.

I will have to wait for Canon to wake up as I do like Canon render.

I just heard back today from 3 friends that have the EOS-R In thier hands. They are national photographers and one is a Canon explorer of light photographer who works full time and is a national award winning wedding photographer. One of the best of the best for our industry

This was the remark when I asked some questions- Dont ask as I am sworn to secrecy. Please note the AF comment. Canon is fully aware wedding industry people are not going to buy this body. Sounds like AF may not be up to prime time but the person using it needs more time to determine


"I am still getting to know it - I'm 100% not comfortable shooting a single card slot camera at a wedding, and Canon knows that, so I'm just playing with it for now. AF in the dark is good, but it's not a Mark IV - and it's not trying to be. For daytime shooting it's VERY light and VERY fast...and the new lenses will be game changers."

Im waiting for next release for sure

mdvaden wrote in post #18739606
Sony will have one more camera that's one step behind and one step ahead.

It's interesting how often people post about Sony or other brands with blinders on.

Canon has some technology, weather sealing and glass that's beyond Sony. And Sony has some stuff that's beyond in other areas.

I shoot Fuji, so I don't have any blinders. Weather sealing, last time I shot a whole football game with 1dmk2/300mm f2.8, I used a garbage bag, worked fine. It is over rated. Most will chicken out before the camera dies.

umphotography wrote in post #18739667
I just heard back today from 3 friends that have the EOS-R In thier hands. They are national photographers and one is a Canon explorer of light photographer who works full time and is a national award winning wedding photographer. One of the best of the best for our industry

This was the remark when I asked some questions- Dont ask as I am sworn to secrecy. Please note the AF comment. Canon is fully aware wedding industry people are not going to buy this body. Sounds like AF may not be up to prime time but the person using it needs more time to determine


"I am still getting to know it - I'm 100% not comfortable shooting a single card slot camera at a wedding, and Canon knows that, so I'm just playing with it for now. AF in the dark is good, but it's not a Mark IV - and it's not trying to be. For daytime shooting it's VERY light and VERY fast...and the new lenses will be game changers."

Im waiting for next release for sure

To me, the EOS-R is all about the new mount... with a mirrorless body rolled out behind it to showcase the IQ potential. Perhaps not so different from the a7r, oif one can make a quantum backwards leap and remember how good the 55 1.8, 35 1.4 and macro 90 were. The ability to adapt other mounts, obviously another convo.

It certainly got my attention, and trading my 6D/50A (and three modest L primes) for the a7r/55 1.8 Combo was a coup. The AF the was bollocks, but the IQ and physical footprint was amazing for my uses.

Seeing the test sample results the 28-70 f2 and new 50 1.2 pull off with that relatively modest EOS-R—I am getting flashbacks, in a way. That IQ is fantastic.

But will it be enough to pull me back to Canon? Hard to say, but I applaud what Canon is trying to do.