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Nov 01, 2018 11:39 |  #16

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That really doesn't stop me using umbrellas and octas. Only time mimicking window light is important is when trying to make it look like a window lit the subject

For sure, there aren't any rules. Just some points to consider.


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Nov 01, 2018 11:46 |  #17

The link I posted for the umbrella that I own, for that price is still running good for 4+ years. Maybe not the best but definitely still being used after many years. It does have a bent arm, thanks to the wind and to the model that had poor cat reflexes, lol. Nothing major, just bent it back in place (carefully), like nothing ever happend. I know where it is and no one else notices it.

I do understand the term you get what you pay for. Honestly not ready to commit to something at "higher end" for now. Just don't have the money to start going all out. Do also understand that build quality will not be the same, but I will be satisfied to get a year or two out of it.




  
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Nov 01, 2018 23:45 |  #18

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Thanks for the replies.

I did find the S-mount bracket on amazon for $17.


I've got about 6 of the S mount brackets. Two in my van and several in the home office studio. That's about all I use now for speedlites and my Flashpoint 360s

Whether I use modifiers like softbox or bare speedlites. Since I use Phottix Odin to trigger, it also keeps the weight or strain off the receiver. Umbrellas hold nice too.


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Nov 02, 2018 01:29 |  #19

I did get one as only have one speedlite. Now looking for the soft box to go with it.




  
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Nov 02, 2018 15:14 |  #20

I have seen a couple of videos where it is mentioned not to go past 48" in size. Is this true? Reason why I ask is because I found a used octabox (62") not much pictures for details, but on one of them looks like it's reflective as it looks silver (fotodiox). It does come with Bowen speedring. They are also throwing in a 2'x2' soft box, not sure if it has 2 difussers, asked for more pictures doesn't have brand name. But all that for $50.




  
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Nov 02, 2018 15:20 |  #21

You can still use something larger than 48, but it just won't be as efficient since the speedlight won't be able to fill it like a barebulb would. You could always gang up two speedlights.


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Nov 02, 2018 15:30 |  #22

Thanks for that smaeda. I only have one speedlight at the moment. Guess will have to keep looking. Now, how small is too small? I can only think that the smaller, it will cover less on the subject. I found a softbox for $30 (24x36, fotodiox, 2 diffusers). But it has a alien bee adapter. The s type bracket I got is for bowens. Would that work?




  
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Nov 02, 2018 15:35 as a reply to  @ firme's post |  #23

It really depends on personal preference. You can cover the whole body with a bare speedlight if you wanted to by backing up the light source relative to the subject. How soft do you want the shadows to be? Are you doing full body, 3/4, head shots?


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Nov 02, 2018 15:41 |  #24

Also keep in mind the larger the soft box, the better light stands you are going to need. Do you already have a c-stand or a heavy duty stand? Sandbags? If you just want to experiment on the cheap, this is what I would recommend.
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Nov 02, 2018 15:59 |  #25

smaeda wrote in post #18742421 (external link)
You can still use something larger than 48, but it just won't be as efficient since the speedlight won't be able to fill it like a barebulb would. You could always gang up two speedlights.

A single speedlight set up for 24mm FL coverage angle will only fill a 48" umbrella from a distance of 48" from the umbrella surface.

Trying to truly 'fill' an umbrella is otherwise a guess...you cannot SEE how well the light 'fills the umbrella' surface. With two speedlights, it is even more of an issue trying to minimize sppedlight coverage overlap as well as filling the umbrella to its edges. That's where a modelling light helps.


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Nov 02, 2018 16:02 |  #26

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I only have one speedlight at the moment. Guess will have to keep looking. Now, how small is too small? I can only think that the smaller, it will cover less on the subject.


Remember...a 24" umbrella at 24" is just as 'large' as a 36" umbrella at 36" is just a 'large' as a 48" umbrella at 48"

You are limited only by just how close, or just how far away your light source can be positioned. The other factor is how big your subject is!


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Nov 02, 2018 16:11 |  #27

Honestly, I want to experiment with full to head shots? I don't do portraits so this is all new to me. I have have seen video tutorials where they talk about harsh light produced with bare speedlights. Some do show side by side picture comparisons of bare speedlight with soft box. I am aiming for soft look for now. I have to look up to see where harsh light is acceptable. My only guess is for men or "rougher" look? But what do I know. Lol.

I doubt my light stands are heavy duty. Two of them came with speedotron when purchased years back. They were used as it had wear and tear on it noticeable. I ended up buying two additional ones, name brand are calumet but I paid $25 as someone was selling their equipment, so I say not heavy duty. Wife did made me some sand bags filled with pebbles that are used for filling vase. Don't remember weight, somewhere between 5-10lbs. I know they hold as I used them before outdoors in windy situations. Sturdy enough to hold with wind, obviously not for very strong winds.




  
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Nov 02, 2018 16:15 |  #28

Thanks for the info Wilt. Did also hear mentioned of placing soft box at 4' away from subject on the videos.




  
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Nov 02, 2018 16:47 |  #29

Wilt wrote in post #18742459 (external link)
A single speedlight set up for 24mm FL coverage angle will only fill a 48" umbrella from a distance of 48" from the umbrella surface.

Trying to truly 'fill' an umbrella is otherwise a guess...you cannot SEE how well the light 'fills the umbrella' surface. With two speedlights, it is even more of an issue trying to minimize sppedlight coverage overlap as well as filling the umbrella to its edges. That's where a modelling light helps.

Maybe I should have said fill the face of the front diffusion? My findings are similar to what you posted before.
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Nov 02, 2018 18:22 |  #30

Thanks for the link smaeda.... just finished reading it. Still a bit confusing but none the less helpful. Pictures were helpful.

I know I am an amateur so I still have so much to learn. With the lack of knowledge, like any other amateur (specially me) one does tend to make mistakes. I guess that is fine, as one learns from it but as an amateur... I tend to buy on the cheap side without knowing the possibly consequences of going this route in the long haul.

Just sucks as now just trying to figure out what route to take then. Meaning if I should continue with the speedlight and get a good box or go the strobe, battery pack and box route. Just thinking out loud, perhaps some can knock some sense into me. LOL. I do have the speedotron, but being that it has the power "box" it would eventually drain the power pack quickly. Maybe now I am finally paying the cost of not buying properly the first time and not knowing any better either. Technology being better now, wonder if photographers are getting up to speed with this as a member in an email mentioned about speedlights and strobes where one can wireless set power, controlling which lights to go off, etc from the triggers placed on the camera. If not mistaken the Godox or flashpoint triggers. I still have the old PWII. LOL. Have been wanting to sell my lights but don't know who would buy something like what I have. Not saying what I use is obsolete, just that there is better stuff out there now. I guess the better technology would be for another thread.




  
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