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Apr 22, 2016 15:38 |  #1

I made a plan to build a new portable system based around the a6300. The camera and lenses I have a pretty good handle on, but then I started to look for a hss flash and the only option seems to be nissin. It gets some pretty poor reviews including horror stories of broken flash shoes.

Please someone tell me I have missed something, this looks like a deal breaker.




  
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Apr 22, 2016 17:57 |  #2

magwai wrote in post #17981143 (external link)
I made a plan to build a new portable system based around the a6300. The camera and lenses I have a pretty good handle on, but then I started to look for a hss flash and the only option seems to be nissin. It gets some pretty poor reviews including horror stories of broken flash shoes.

Please someone tell me I have missed something, this looks like a deal breaker.

I've read that Godox has a system out now, that should satisfy many. Think Odin works too.


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Apr 22, 2016 20:30 |  #3

Do you want/need TTL? If you are OK with manual, look into the Yongnuo YN560 IV flash and the YN560TX transmitter. They are outstanding.


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Apr 22, 2016 23:36 |  #4

Is there a reason that you do not consider the Sony brand flash units?


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Apr 23, 2016 02:41 as a reply to  @ jdag's post |  #5

I am used to using ttl with Canon. Ideally I would like it.




  
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Apr 23, 2016 02:44 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #6

Not really. I was googling to find a system that supports HSS and the Sony did not come up. Also I read something about the Sony units overheating.

Please inform me if you have experience that is exactly what I am looking for at this stage. I am ready to pull the trigger I just want to know the issues before spending money.




  
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Apr 23, 2016 09:36 |  #7

Your first need to understand that the term 'HSS' was invented by Canon for what its flashes could do with its dSLR. But Olympus actually INVENTED the concept of flash units which had 'pulsed light emission to mimic a constant light source' back in the early 1980s for its F280 flash -- they simply did not add some fancy marketing moniker to it. My point is that Sony could easily support the feature on their flash, but simply no USE the Canon name 'HSS'.

However, Sony DOES indeed use the term 'HSS' and they show that feature supported in three of their flash units. http://www.sony.net …i/flash/01_basi​c/1-5.html (external link)

As for 'overheating' Canon flash units like the 580EX indeed DO OVERHEAT -- someone on POTN posted that he destroyed three 580EXs by failing to observe the Canon warning in the user manual about overheating by not letting the unit cool for a time period. Only after Canon came out with the 580EXII did they add the capability for the flash to force you to slow down by prolonging the recycle time. Aftermarket flash units might or might NOT have such a user-proof feature in them!


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Apr 23, 2016 15:35 |  #8

FWIIW, my HVL-43M has done a nice job for me in a limited sample of six events.

I probably like my old Canon 580exii better and it seemed a little more powerful and sturdy (plastic mount is a head-scratcher), but the Sony is smaller/lighter.


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Apr 24, 2016 07:54 as a reply to  @ mickeyb105's post |  #9

yes i was looking at that model, that might be what i am looking for.




  
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Apr 24, 2016 08:02 |  #10

yes, flash support for Sony is nothing like it is for Canon or Nikon.

third party flash and "trigger" manufacturers only have a certain number of engineers at their disposal. If you look back a few years you will notice that very often they offer Canon compatible flash units before Nikon, and often continue to do so now. Sony support usually comes after Nikon, if it comes at all.


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Apr 28, 2016 16:36 |  #11

I pulled the trigger.

A6300 and 43m on the way.

Question: coming from Canon flash A and S modes give fill flash and M adjusts the flash strength to get the exposure correct. Is the Sony system similar in that regard? Any pointers appreciated.




  
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Oct 29, 2018 12:56 |  #12

Not really anymore. There are now several third party flash manufacturers such as Godox and Neweer who make flashes for the Sony system which fully support the Sony's TTL system. There are also nonTTl manual flahses made for Sony (and other camera systems). These flashes are extremely inexpensive compared to OEM ones yet some of them have good quality just like OEM. Sometimes they even have IR wireless receiver built into them (Godox flashes).
On the other hand, non-mountable large flash systems like studio lighting are independent of the camera brand and with Sony cameras just like they do with Canon or Nikon cameras. The fact that many professional photographers who regularly need to use a lighting system for their work are now using Sony cameras is an undeniable evidence that the Sony system is just as uable as Canon and Nikon.




  
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Oct 29, 2018 22:55 |  #13

magwai wrote in post #17988555 (external link)
Question: coming from Canon flash A and S modes give fill flash and M adjusts the flash strength to get the exposure correct. Is the Sony system similar in that regard? Any pointers appreciated.

It is urban myth/total misunderstanding that for Canon there is any difference in flash output between modes !!!
The amount of light which is output from the flash is IDENTICAL regardless of Av or Tv or M or P mode...if one has the identical f/stop and shutter speed in all four modes, the brightness of flash illumination is INDISTINGUISHABLE. This fact is very easily proven.

Here is a shot series from 7 years ago, using flash with the camera in its various modes...can you see any intensity difference of the subject (toy dog) illuminated by flash?
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=11943579
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=11943903


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Nov 06, 2018 19:09 |  #14

I have a Godox setup for my Canon gear but, wanted TTL for my Sony A6500.

The Godox tt350S is a small flash that fits the form factor of the 6500 quite well, It also does a nice job and is pretty inexpensive...

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This is on-camera flash bounced...

I purchased an XTPRO trigger for Sony and can use all of my Canon Godox flashes off camera... Of course, I could have triggered the Godox Canon flashes with the tt350S...

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Nov 20, 2018 11:31 |  #15

RPCrowe wrote in post #18745546 (external link)
I have a Godox setup for my Canon gear but, wanted TTL for my Sony A6500.

The Godox tt350S is a small flash that fits the form factor of the 6500 quite well, It also does a nice job and is pretty inexpensive...

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This is on-camera flash bounced...

I purchased an XTPRO trigger for Sony and can use all of my Canon Godox flashes off camera... Of course, I could have triggered the Godox Canon flashes with the tt350S...

Looks like the tt350s works well for a small flash.
How is the HSS ability of that flash?
I'm worried that it might be too small to generate enough power outside.




  
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