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5D MK IV vs 6D MK II ... Hear me out...

 
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Nov 28, 2018 20:38 |  #16

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Go and rent them for the weekend and decide based on your personal preference. Obviously there is a difference, otherwise people would not spend the money to get the 5D. However, whether this difference is worth the money to YOU can only be decided by you.

Lol! This thought came to mind, but forgot to include it. You can rent a camera for a few days for not a lot of money. I did that with an infrared 7D a year ago to see if it was worth converting one of my older cameras to IR. Working with the IR 7D was great fun, but I decided that infrared isn't where I want to be. I saved myself a lot of money on a camera conversion and still have a camera I can use as built.

Yes, rent both. Download the user manuals for each of them so you have a better chance of using them well while you have them. Shoot with them the way you want to shoot. Does the 6DMkII do what you need, or is it wanting? Is the 5DMkIV exactly what you need, or is it the proverbial "overkill"?

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Nov 28, 2018 21:12 |  #17

I've always been a 5D user (I've gifted family with wedding photos, have done portraits for work, but mainly am a serious amateur). I bought the original one back when it was the only "prosumer" FF DSLR. I've continued to prefer its interface, robust body, custom buttons, and with the case of 5D3/5D4 advanced AF system. The 5D4 is the current top dog for sensor performance with manageable MP (I did manage with the 5D3 DR, and just find the improved DR with 5D4 a welcome latitude). But these are reasons why I keep with the 5D series. The 6D2 does have welcome upgrades from the original 6D. It may not have the AF spread of the 5D4, but it does have a better AF system then the 6D. It also has touch screen. And if you're into video blogging, it has a feature the 5D4 doesn't have: flippy screen. If you're coming from a Rebel or xxD, then you'll find its interface more seamless.


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Nov 28, 2018 22:34 |  #18

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...The 5D4 is the current top dog for sensor performance with manageable MP (I did manage with the 5D3 DR, and just find the improved DR with 5D4 a welcome latitude). ....

To be accurate, it's Canon's top dog. There are several cameras out there that have superior sensor performance.


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Nov 28, 2018 22:42 |  #19

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The 5D4 is the current top dog for sensor performance with manageable MP

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To be accurate, it's Canon's top dog. There are several cameras out there that have superior sensor performance.

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When it comes to sensor performance with manageable MP, I thought that the 1Dx2 was Canon's top dog. . In what ways (other than more MP) does the 5D4 exceed the sensor performance of the 1Dx2?


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Nov 28, 2018 23:10 |  #20

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When it comes to sensor performance with manageable MP, I thought that the 1Dx2 was Canon's top dog. . In what ways (other than more MP) does the 5D4 exceed the sensor performance of the 1Dx2?

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If you look at DxO sensor ratings, the 5DIV bests or matches the 1D across all their measurements with the exception of DR once the ISO gets above 800. It's awful close and clearly the DxO rating do not take into account the whole camera package but right now, Canons best showing is the 5DIV at #20.


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Nov 29, 2018 06:33 |  #21

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18760698 (external link)
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When it comes to sensor performance with manageable MP, I thought that the 1Dx2 was Canon's top dog. . In what ways (other than more MP) does the 5D4 exceed the sensor performance of the 1Dx2?

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Higher MP and DR. The 1DX2 isn’t a slouch, but it’s advantage is with features: it has lower MP to have a much faster burst rate.

RE 5d4 being Canon’s top sensor: well yeah..the discussion was about Canon. Even so, Canon also made a substantial leap with DR from the 5D3 (and ISO 100 DR is almost equivalent with Nikon D850).

http://www.photonstoph​otos.net/Charts/PDR.ht​m (external link)


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Nov 29, 2018 06:53 |  #22

davesrose wrote in post #18760819 (external link)
Higher MP and DR. The 1DX2 isn’t a slouch, but it’s advantage is with features: it has lower MP to have a much faster burst rate.

RE 5d4 being Canon’s top sensor: well yeah..the discussion was about Canon. Even so, Canon also made a substantial leap with DR from the 5D3 (and ISO 100 DR is almost equivalent with Nikon D850).

http://dhttp …photos.net/Char​ts/PDR.htm (external link)

Again, PDR is not a measurement of noise in a standard ISO exposure.

I know lots of people love to hate DxO and ignore it, but DxO does measure the actual exposure-referred noise, and it shows about ~0.37 stops less read noise for the 1DxII compared to the 5D4 at high ISOs (the trend lines in the DR chart. The vertical height of the data points is the DR, the height of the trend lines is the footroom, and the horizontal shift from nominal to measured ISO is the headroom. PDR does not break this down, and many people mistakenly assume that cameras with more headroom have better high-ISO noise performance than they do.




  
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Nov 29, 2018 06:57 |  #23

We rearely discuss DR at high ISOs... Almost always when we discuss DR on the boards, it is at the lower ISO levels.

So the 5D4 having the higher resolution, just like our other discussions in the other thread about the rumored 75Mpx, would do nothing but improve its DR over the 1DX2, correct? We cannot discount pixel density in this topic. Take a 5D4 at any ISO, resize it down to the 1DX2 resolution, and what happens?

The 5D4 strength is its resolution, the 1DX2 its burst rate and AF speed.


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Nov 29, 2018 07:39 as a reply to  @ John Sheehy's post |  #24

My post said nothing about high ISO. Even so, 1/3 stop less noise at high ISO is splitting hairs when PP is more of a factor (how you handle DNR). My post clearly was referring to Canon's base ISO DR (in which the 5D4 is the newer camera and is also a significant improvement in base DR from the 5D3).

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The 5D4 strength is its resolution, the 1DX2 its burst rate and AF speed.

I concur. I wasn't stating the 1DX2 is an inferior camera: with stills it is geared towards sports that needs extra speed features, while the 5D series has been marketed for portrait and wedding professionals (who might want the higher resolution). Also now with video, the 1DX2 has more professional features. Anyway, this is going off topic from 6D2 vs 5D4.


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Nov 29, 2018 08:08 |  #25

I, John Sheehy wrote in post #18760845 (external link)
Sorry; your link didn't work, and by the time I worked it out, I must have confused your post with other current posts about the same cameras.

That said, I do not trust DxO's data point for the 1Dx2's DR at ISO 100. It falls out of the curve, and must be due to a calculation error, IMO; it should be lower. I tend to read DxO graphs based on the majority of data points, ignoring outliers away from a simple curve. Perhaps there are rounding errors.

Wow, I was still confused there. Now I know what happened. I saw the high-ISO PDR trends merge after I clicked on the cameras after going to the PDR page manually, and I thought about how deceptive that could be, and addressed that instead of what you were talking about. I only saw the DxO stuff because I opened that up, too.




  
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Nov 29, 2018 08:44 as a reply to  @ John Sheehy's post |  #26

Sorry, I corrected the link (your old quote does show the mishap with my original pasted link). One of the problems with using an iPhone: it didn't accept pasting in the url until I wrote a character (and then later I saw I needed to delete the "d").


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Nov 30, 2018 16:05 |  #27

Update: Ended up going with the 6DII. Worked out an awesome deal, so I feel like it was the best bet, especially around the holidays!




  
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Nov 30, 2018 16:46 as a reply to  @ Chino3's post |  #28

Congrats and welcome to the world of Full Frame!


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Nov 30, 2018 17:42 |  #29

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Update: Ended up going with the 6DII. Worked out an awesome deal, so I feel like it was the best bet, especially around the holidays!

Congratulations, and have a great time with it!!!!


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Nov 30, 2018 23:06 |  #30

Congrats on the 6D MkII. There have been some crazy deals on them the past week or two.




  
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