-= Canon EOS R owners unite! Post photos and discuss.

Pondrader wrote in post #18763837
Jared P has been ripping Tony N for a while now... they both must be taken with a grain of salt..

Personally I think the new gear bug is a real pain... I had no choice but to be looking, I miss the 7DII everyday as a shoot everything camera, mine was just starting to really get good as broken as it was. I hate going through the pains of it all. I would much rather just shoot.

I think your best off to stick right where you are. The 7DII is hard to beat for the average joe just shooting for the fame and glory of it all.

The R is nice in many ways but you have to out shoot the jerks that complain about the little things... That evens the playing field.

mmmm I guess but the biggest difference I find when using my 5DIII (if im not reach limited) is the files are much less work, the colour is richer, its sharper as long as you are not cropping too much. The background blacks are easier to manage. just that it has not got the reach or speed of 7DII If my 1D3 had been 24 megapixel instead of 10 Id have stuck with that for wildlife, it was a great compromise between the APSC and full frame, I loved the files, the colours were great. So I just work with what I have. I think if I could only keep one camera of the two I use it would be the full frame but I certainly prefer the speed and reach of the 7DII for birding etc

I have always found Jared P and real pain in the ass, dont mind Tony but its all about selling stuff on there

randy98mtu wrote in post #18763854
Wow. Step away from the keyboard for a few hours and this thing blows up again. Can this banter go back to this thread and leave the "EOS R owners unite!" thread to, oh, owners?

With the 24-70 f/2.8L II.

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but but but, we could become owners so its all relevant

ozziepuppy wrote in post #18763886
A COUNTRY BALLAD

"I have a 7DII,
Yes, I do.
I have a 7DII.
And I do love that 7DII.

But then I got a hankerin' for that new little EOS R.
So cute! So many promises of
Good times together.
I had no choice but to be looking!
And I just couldn't resist!

Oh, yes, yes, yes!
Now how I love my EOS R!
She's definitely the one for me.
So glad I pursued her
Moved into the future
The R mount is where it's at
For those with discerning tastes!

Oh wait. I mean, I don't love the EOS R after all.
Not any more!
The love is gone.
Gone, gone, gone away is the love.
So I abandoned, I mean rejected, I mean returned my darling EOS R.
(Though I kept the photos of the good times.
Memories, such memories!
They just stay on your hard drive
And in your heart)

Yes, our brief relationship ended so soon.
The flame, it burned brightly!
But I questioned my decision nightly!
And so our time together was cut short.
So very short.
Short like a squirrel.
Like a delicate little red squirrel.
Scrunched up in a tree.
Short like that.
Very short.
Maybe a week
Or so.
A short week.

And so I went back to my wonderful, faithful dear 7DII.
My one and only
that has been faithful and true
Through lo, these many years together
Shooting foxes
And birds
And moose
And elk
And all kinds of other critters as well.
Such as squirrels.
(But not those nasty grey squirrels.
No sir! Not them!)

Oh NO! Now I miss My EOS R!
I'm simply PINING AWAY for my wonderful EOS R!
I should have given my beloved EOS R much more of a chance!
We hardly had time for a real romance!
We could have made such sweet photos together!
Whatever was I thinking?
I see others, all so happy, so very happy with their R's
And I think
That somehow,
Somehow I have made a sad, sad
Very very very sad
Yes, very sad mistake.
A sad mistake.
As sad a mistake as mistaking a red squirrel
For a grey squirrel.
(Yes, that sad.)

But then...

Oh, happy day!
Oh happy, HAPPY day!
I got ANOTHER EOS R!
Yes, I have replaced the missing piece.
My heart is once again complete!

Oh my goodness, I really DO love the EOS R!
The photos are sharp, oh so sharp!
That I cry out to the sun in the day,
And to the stars each night
(Those sharp, sharp stars
Those are the ones I'm talkin' about)
I cry out and say,
Just look at that fur!
Feast your eyes on those feathers!
That eye!
My oh my,
You can see ME in that eye!

And as the years go by I'm going to explore
More and more
All of the ins and outs of this beautiful little EOS R delicacy
This photographic morsel that is truly a golden gift
From the Canon camera gods,

And I will never, NEVER look back!
Not ever?
No, NEVER!

But alas!
Oh alas, for I have just realized:

I miss my 7DII every day."

(sad guitar strumming as the stage goes dark)

(I hope you realize that I am really just kidding! You should know that the reason I find your comments so entertaining is because I am exactly the same way! You seriously do not want to hear all of the things that go on in my head every time I make a decision about something, including camera gear! And it goes without saying that I absolutely am in awe of your photos. as I have said before. The funny thing is that you could be shooting with a homemade pinhole camera and your photos would still be better than mine, so I am in no way being critical!! You are an awesome photographer, Jeff. Now if you just had a good camera. . .LOL!)

My goodness, how long dd that take to write ?

I may be being sexist here but Im sure the gear loyalty is more of a male thing, if you look through comments on utube where someone has criticised a camera of any brand in any way you will always see males getting their underwear in a knot over it. My husband says its the same on his archery sites to do with brand loyalty. I say if what you are using works for you, enjoy it, if not just study other possible products or brands that may be a perfect fit for you.
I will leave it there now, hopefully in the future I will possibly own the R and Im sure I will love it

aladyforty wrote in post #18763898
My goodness, how long dd that take to write ?

I may be being sexist here but Im sure the gear loyalty is more of a male thing, if you look through comments on utube where someone has criticised a camera of any brand in any way you will always see males getting their underwear in a knot over it. My husband says its the same on his archery sites to do with brand loyalty. I say if what you are using works for you, enjoy it, if not just study other possible products or brands that may be a perfect fit for you.
I will leave it there now, hopefully in the future I will possibly own the R and Im sure I will love it

I don't think it is being sexist. You are quite correct. Marketing data shows that in the US women are far more brand loyal than men in most categories with one of a few exceptions being consumer electronics. Men have edged women out in that category by about 7-10% (self-described survey respondents) since forever. If this forum was about clothing we'd see a complete role reversal.

What is really going on with all the drum banging about gear is something on a far bigger scale. We were all brought up with advertising that told us some great new product was going to make us happy and when we got it we were happy with it till the next new thing came along. Then the old thing was no longer interesting and we were sad till we got that next new thing. For most it is a cycle we brought with us into adulthood and will never escape. We're at the point where people have brand new things and are unhappy with them on the rumour that something better is around the corner or completely turned inside-out that the next person doesn't find our product as good as we do. Sadly most of the talk surrounding the R had been fuelled with either a madness of hate or adoration and the more judicious voices have been drowned out. We can see so much in posts about the R. Loathing, consumer angst and blind loyalty not to mention a good amount of plain old BS. I tried the R and decided it didn't serve me as well as what I have in hand. Others have found the opposite. I'm not sure why that means so much time and effort has to be put into justifying ourselves or tearing down the other guy. I may be wrong but the last time I checked photography was about the results. Photographs. Why should I be more upset about Thomas Heaton not liking the R than Robert Capa using a Leica? What does any of that have to do with my ambitions or results in photography? Why should what some guy says on the Internet threaten me, stir up my emotions or make me feel better that I made the right choice? Go take a look at some of the lens sample archives. The best pictures have the best lighting, subject and framing and the surprise is that on a given page the best photo is often taken with a body many generations older than those currently available at retail. People all over the forum wax poetic about fancy upgrades that they use to take the same old pictures with. There are people here doing with film, ancient DSLRs and iPhones that most others couldn't do with a camera from the future.

I don't know what it is about these forums. They often seem to amplify our worst qualities. After POTN opened its doors to other camera brands I was nostalgic for the old days because of all of the fighting between Canon shooters and the mirrorless guys. Now that Canon is making a serious attempt at mirrorless it's done nothing but move the ugly debate closer to home. Pretty sad.

aladyforty - Only the 1st paragraph of this reply was meant for you. The rest of it just happened to come out here. Sincerest apologies.

deglopper wrote in post #18763712
Conclusive answer - the GP-E2 does work on the R, as the manual says. If you don't already have a GP-E2, it's probably not worth even the used cost unless you spend a lot of time outdoors shooting photos you want geotagged and not using flash. The phone link runs over bluetooth, and I haven't seen any battery hit on the camera. I have seen it use the phone battery, some times more than others, but an external battery for your phone is a lot cheaper than the GP-E2. If you want to use flash, the GP-E2 offers a USB connection to the camera, but I haven't tested that yet either.

The GP-E2 should have a more accurate GPS location, but will not work indoors - I have not yet tested, but I assume it does not transmit the last known location to the camera. It will also take longer to get an initial GPS lock, although that seems to happen pretty fast.

Thanks - I actually have 2 of the units and I find them very reliable. They run for several days on a single AA battery if you configure them to only update position every 30seconds (more than adequate for 99% of situations). Cconsequently they are infinitely less power hungry than an app on a phone with a wifi link - been there, got the flat phone battery too many times, and a fresh AA is easier to source than extra power for a flat phone out in the wilds.
The GP-E2 units are just as good/bad indoors as say my 6D's inbuilt GPS, but that's never really been an issue.

hahahah i agree.. This is like deja vu from a few months back when the Mavic 2 Pro came out.. I was just in with the male species i am part of.

nqjudo wrote in post #18763958
I don't think it is being sexist. You are quite correct. Marketing data shows that in the US women are far more brand loyal than men in most categories with one of a few exceptions being consumer electronics. Men have edged women out in that category by about 7-10% (self-described survey respondents) since forever. If this forum was about clothing we'd see a complete role reversal.

What is really going on with all the drum banging about gear is something on a far bigger scale. We were all brought up with advertising that told us some great new product was going to make us happy and when we got it we were happy with it till the next new thing came along. Then the old thing was no longer interesting and we were sad till we got that next new thing. For most it is a cycle we brought with us into adulthood and will never escape. We're at the point where people have brand new things and are unhappy with them on the rumour that something better is around the corner or completely turned inside-out that the next person doesn't find our product as good as we do. Sadly most of the talk surrounding the R had been fuelled with either a madness of hate or adoration and the more judicious voices have been drowned out. We can see so much in posts about the R. Loathing, consumer angst and blind loyalty not to mention a good amount of plain old BS. I tried the R and decided it didn't serve me as well as what I have in hand. Others have found the opposite. I'm not sure why that means so much time and effort has to be put into justifying ourselves or tearing down the other guy. I may be wrong but the last time I checked photography was about the results. Photographs. Why should I be more upset about Thomas Heaton not liking the R than Robert Capa using a Leica? What does any of that have to do with my ambitions or results in photography? Why should what some guy says on the Internet threaten me, stir up my emotions or make me feel better that I made the right choice? Go take a look at some of the lens sample archives. The best pictures have the best lighting, subject and framing and the surprise is that on a given page the best photo is often taken with a body many generations older than those currently available at retail. People all over the forum wax poetic about fancy upgrades that they use to take the same old pictures with. There are people here doing with film, ancient DSLRs and iPhones that most others couldn't do with a camera from the future.

I don't know what it is about these forums. They often seem to amplify our worst qualities. After POTN opened its doors to other camera brands I was nostalgic for the old days because of all of the fighting between Canon shooters and the mirrorless guys. Now that Canon is making a serious attempt at mirrorless it's done nothing but move the ugly debate closer to home. Pretty sad.

aladyforty - Only the 1st paragraph of this reply was meant for you. The rest of it just happened to come out here. Sincerest apologies.

Love this post because it gets into the psychology of consumerism and the impact that marketing has on our urges and tendencies. No on wants to be left out or feel inferior, and that's the exact weakness that companies prey on in order to get us to buy the next big thing. It's then taken up by the consumer's natural confirmation bias, and they then march forth bearing the banner of their chosen brand (tribalism), trumpeting their superior choice and denigrating anyone who disagrees. They've unknowingly become marketing drones for the brand. It's devious and effective.

The best defense I've found so far is to be aware of it... that, and get off of the internet, which I'm intending to do here very shortly. All of the rabid consumerism and aforementioned tribalism just wears a guy down, and I'm so much more happy when I don't have to see it day in and day out. Same with the news media... garbage all around, the intent isn't to inform but to persuade, and I'm sick of being played. Time to enjoy life away from the GAS and hype.

Harks back to a post I made a few weeks back on the topic: you all have a fabulous camera, just get out and shoot, enjoy it on your own terms and don't listen to idiots on the internet.

Like the old proverb goes…

When the level of the fetid water rises, be free like the Lily and simply float on the surface; choose not to be dragged under the surface, into the body of the swamp.

Cheers

Dennis

C Scott IV wrote in post #18763815
I forgot to mention Diffraction Limited Aperture. It was really obvious on the 80D. The R is much better for landscape photography in that regard.

Can you please expand on the exact differences between the two? I'm using the 80D which I believe is a great camera , I just would love to know more about the Diffraction apature difference. I just rescently learned about that and explains much of my mistakes and I'm trying to figure out the 80D boundaries of it now.

aladyforty wrote in post #18763802
I personally dont think people only love to hate on the EOS-R, the new Nikon released at the same time is getting similar hate. As for the 7DII, I never really got the complaints, I purchased it as soon as it hit the shops (which was not the usual thing for me, I usually like to wait a while) I was using my 7DII within an hour of purchase and had no issues at all with anything, still shooting the same camera today without any issues, did I just get a good one? or did those complaining get a bad one? or maybe not have the skill, I am still wondering on that one. When the price of the R drops I will probably get it but as a buddy to my 7DII not a replacement

I returned three 7D2's, each one was replaced because of issues with the camera. It was most certainly not down to my skill level!!

nqjudo wrote in post #18763958
I don't think it is being sexist. You are quite correct. Marketing data shows that in the US women are far more brand loyal than men in most categories with one of a few exceptions being consumer electronics. Men have edged women out in that category by about 7-10% (self-described survey respondents) since forever. If this forum was about clothing we'd see a complete role reversal.

What is really going on with all the drum banging about gear is something on a far bigger scale. We were all brought up with advertising that told us some great new product was going to make us happy and when we got it we were happy with it till the next new thing came along. Then the old thing was no longer interesting and we were sad till we got that next new thing. For most it is a cycle we brought with us into adulthood and will never escape. We're at the point where people have brand new things and are unhappy with them on the rumour that something better is around the corner or completely turned inside-out that the next person doesn't find our product as good as we do. Sadly most of the talk surrounding the R had been fuelled with either a madness of hate or adoration and the more judicious voices have been drowned out. We can see so much in posts about the R. Loathing, consumer angst and blind loyalty not to mention a good amount of plain old BS. I tried the R and decided it didn't serve me as well as what I have in hand. Others have found the opposite. I'm not sure why that means so much time and effort has to be put into justifying ourselves or tearing down the other guy. I may be wrong but the last time I checked photography was about the results. Photographs. Why should I be more upset about Thomas Heaton not liking the R than Robert Capa using a Leica? What does any of that have to do with my ambitions or results in photography? Why should what some guy says on the Internet threaten me, stir up my emotions or make me feel better that I made the right choice? Go take a look at some of the lens sample archives. The best pictures have the best lighting, subject and framing and the surprise is that on a given page the best photo is often taken with a body many generations older than those currently available at retail. People all over the forum wax poetic about fancy upgrades that they use to take the same old pictures with. There are people here doing with film, ancient DSLRs and iPhones that most others couldn't do with a camera from the future.

I don't know what it is about these forums. They often seem to amplify our worst qualities. After POTN opened its doors to other camera brands I was nostalgic for the old days because of all of the fighting between Canon shooters and the mirrorless guys. Now that Canon is making a serious attempt at mirrorless it's done nothing but move the ugly debate closer to home. Pretty sad.

aladyforty - Only the 1st paragraph of this reply was meant for you. The rest of it just happened to come out here. Sincerest apologies.

yep I agree with all that, the next generation are worse in some ways wanting the latest and greatest, my nephew some time ago was so impressed he was the first kid in his class at school to have the latest Iphone, lasted all of a few months and he was talking about needing the next one I do have hope for the younger generation though as my grand daughter was thrilled when she received an old Polaroid camera for her birthday. I follow the photographers not the cameras, for instance, I love Pondraders images, I dont care what he shoots with, its the beautiful wildlife shots that I like, not his camera

ozziepuppy wrote in post #18763886
A COUNTRY BALLAD

"I have a 7DII,
Yes, I do.
I have a 7DII.
And I do love that 7DII.

But then I got a hankerin' for that new little EOS R.
So cute! So many promises of
Good times together.
I had no choice but to be looking!
And I just couldn't resist!

Oh, yes, yes, yes!
Now how I love my EOS R!
She's definitely the one for me.
So glad I pursued her
Moved into the future
The R mount is where it's at
For those with discerning tastes!

Oh wait. I mean, I don't love the EOS R after all.
Not any more!
The love is gone.
Gone, gone, gone away is the love.
So I abandoned, I mean rejected, I mean returned my darling EOS R.
(Though I kept the photos of the good times.
Memories, such memories!
They just stay on your hard drive
And in your heart)

Yes, our brief relationship ended so soon.
The flame, it burned brightly!
But I questioned my decision nightly!
And so our time together was cut short.
So very short.
Short like a squirrel.
Like a delicate little red squirrel.
Scrunched up in a tree.
Short like that.
Very short.
Maybe a week
Or so.
A short week.

And so I went back to my wonderful, faithful dear 7DII.
My one and only
that has been faithful and true
Through lo, these many years together
Shooting foxes
And birds
And moose
And elk
And all kinds of other critters as well.
Such as squirrels.
(But not those nasty grey squirrels.
No sir! Not them!)

Oh NO! Now I miss My EOS R!
I'm simply PINING AWAY for my wonderful EOS R!
I should have given my beloved EOS R much more of a chance!
We hardly had time for a real romance!
We could have made such sweet photos together!
Whatever was I thinking?
I see others, all so happy, so very happy with their R's
And I think
That somehow,
Somehow I have made a sad, sad
Very very very sad
Yes, very sad mistake.
A sad mistake.
As sad a mistake as mistaking a red squirrel
For a grey squirrel.
(Yes, that sad.)

But then...

Oh, happy day!
Oh happy, HAPPY day!
I got ANOTHER EOS R!
Yes, I have replaced the missing piece.
My heart is once again complete!

Oh my goodness, I really DO love the EOS R!
The photos are sharp, oh so sharp!
That I cry out to the sun in the day,
And to the stars each night
(Those sharp, sharp stars
Those are the ones I'm talkin' about)
I cry out and say,
Just look at that fur!
Feast your eyes on those feathers!
That eye!
My oh my,
You can see ME in that eye!

And as the years go by I'm going to explore
More and more
All of the ins and outs of this beautiful little EOS R delicacy
This photographic morsel that is truly a golden gift
From the Canon camera gods,

And I will never, NEVER look back!
Not ever?
No, NEVER!

But alas!
Oh alas, for I have just realized:

I miss my 7DII every day."

(sad guitar strumming as the stage goes dark)

(I hope you realize that I am really just kidding! You should know that the reason I find your comments so entertaining is because I am exactly the same way! You seriously do not want to hear all of the things that go on in my head every time I make a decision about something, including camera gear! And it goes without saying that I absolutely am in awe of your photos. as I have said before. The funny thing is that you could be shooting with a homemade pinhole camera and your photos would still be better than mine, so I am in no way being critical!! You are an awesome photographer, Jeff. Now if you just had a good camera. . .LOL!)

lol So True... The R is a love hate thing thats for sure... I traded my 7DII and now I have lost the love of my life TOO...

aladyforty wrote in post #18764042
yep I agree with all that, the next generation are worse in some ways wanting the latest and greatest, my nephew some time ago was so impressed he was the first kid in his class at school to have the latest Iphone, lasted all of a few months and he was talking about needing the next one I do have hope for the younger generation though as my grand daughter was thrilled when she received an old Polaroid camera for her birthday. I follow the photographers not the cameras, for instance, I love Pondraders images, I dont care what he shoots with, its the beautiful wildlife shots that I like, not his camera

Thats the truth right there... Pondrader doesn't care either.. He just needs to be able to afford it and justify the expense... and the little R really works very well. Even if its only existence is to make people crazy.. Maybe thats why I love it so....

aladyforty wrote in post #18764042
...I do have hope for the younger generation though as my grand daughter was thrilled when she received an old Polaroid camera for her birthday....

Polaroid as her first camera!

Medium format!

The start of the (expensive) road to perdition...

randy98mtu wrote in post #18763854
Wow. Step away from the keyboard for a few hours and this thing blows up again. Can this banter go back to this thread and leave the "EOS R owners unite!" thread to, oh, owners?

With the 24-70 f/2.8L II.

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Thankfully a nice photo to cork the flood of ranter

This shot reminds me of someone else's post about getting the EOS R but keeping their EF generation 24-105mm to save money. Your 24-70mm mk ii image offers more than a hint why latest generation lens may be the way to go with the EOS R if the latest is best.