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Thinking about going to the A7iii from 5Diii. What to do for a 70-200.

 
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Dec 08, 2018 11:43 |  #31

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I'm in the process of transitioning to Sony from Canon, so I know what your going through. The Sony A9 was my first purchase along with the 85mm /f1.8 to get my used to the system. I'm adding a 7A III as a 2nd body and have the Metabones 5 adapter so I can use my Canon L glass. So far all my Canon glass works great with the exception of the 300mm f/2.8 which I have not had a chance to truly test.
My intention is to hit the local camera shops soon and trade my Canon glass for Sony... we shall see how it goes. But in short, nothing beats quality native glass.

GM70-200 really feels like a great performer on the Sony body. The adapted sigma mc11 with canon 70-200 mk2 in comparison is painfully slow if you try to track subjects.


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Dec 08, 2018 12:13 |  #32

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GM70-200 really feels like a great performer on the Sony body.

Yeah, the GM70-200 is the first lens I plan to trade into. My list of wanted lenses is the GM70-200, GM24-70, GM16-35, and GM100-400... down the road I will add the GM400 f/2.8 but that will be a big investment.


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Dec 08, 2018 12:22 |  #33

Chris_71 wrote in post #18766773 (external link)
Yeah, the GM70-200 is the first lens I plan to trade into. My list of wanted lenses is the GM70-200, GM24-70, GM16-35, and GM100-400... down the road I will add the GM400 f/2.8 but that will be a big investment.


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Dec 08, 2018 12:22 |  #34

Vauw that fuji outfit looks tiny. I thought that 50-140mm would be bigger.


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Dec 08, 2018 12:37 |  #35

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I look at your list and it's gonna be wicked!! I also feel ouch $$$$$ :) In the end it's a matter of getting the tools that helps you get your images you want!

Yeah but I'm trading/selling all my Canon L glass and bodies so it should ease the burden some. I've sold almost $5000 worth of Canon gear in the last two weeks. The only two Canon items I'm keeping for now is a 7D Mark II and a 300mm F/2.8 IS as a backup. Once I'm fully into the Sony system they will more then likely get passed on to a worthy photog.


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Dec 08, 2018 13:44 |  #36

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GM70-200 really feels like a great performer on the Sony body. The adapted sigma mc11 with canon 70-200 mk2 in comparison is painfully slow if you try to track subjects.

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Is that X-T3 in the pic, I cannot see? How would you rate these three combinations for shooting sports, also in lower light? (I have 5d3 + 70-200 2.8 ii.)



  
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Dec 08, 2018 23:20 |  #37

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Is that X-T3 in the pic, I cannot see? How would you rate these three combinations for shooting sports, also in lower light? (I have 5d3 + 70-200 2.8 ii.)


The image has my 5dmk4, A73 and X-t2.

If high iso is concerned my 5dmk4 and A73 will outperform the X-t2 and new X-t3. No doubt this is fact and I will take every ounce of improvement.

The X-t3 will work very well in high frames per second. The low light it will not match the performance of the 5dmk4 and A73. Our 5dmk3 with older gen Canon FF sensor can be out performed by the Sony produced crop sensor in the Fuji body.

In good/ideal light any combo will work well. In lower light I would personally leave my X-t2 at home. Since you asked me the 5dmk4 and A73 are simply stellar performers that my X-t2 cannot match. Due to no improvements in high iso with the new X-T3 it does not meet my criteria and no access to my wallet LOL!!! I will admit the AF has much improved and should have been like that years ago!

If I owned 1 system I would have no choice and deal with whatever I can do to maximize best file output.

If you micro adjust your 70-200mk2 you will get great results with your 5dmk3. I happily purchased a GM 70-200 f/2.8 for my A7iii and the lens is a new acquisition. The AF speed of the Sony combo just works with blazing results. My Canon is great too. The Fuji does deliver too in good light.

I would take my 5dmk4 with 70-200 combo with zero turning stomach when I need results. I cannot comment on my Sony as I have not pushed the limits with my new GM 70-200 combo. I have used my 5dmk3 in low light with the 70-200 mk2 so I would have confidence in that combo but I do know the limitations of the high iso performance. Whenever I demand low light performance now I will use my 5dmk4 or A7iii. The 5dmk3 and Fuji stays home.

So far I do prefer the mirrored body as I find it hunts less than my mirrorless system in low light.

IF you are a sports shooter and put under the gun for low light sports photography I'd suggest a modern FF. You will gain every ounce of improvement for low light cleaner files.

If your on the fence I'd suggest renting and navigate the files in your software of choice.


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Dec 09, 2018 00:18 |  #38

AlanU wrote in post #18767117 (external link)
The image has my 5dmk4, A73 and X-t2.

If high iso is concerned my 5dmk4 and A73 will outperform the X-t2 and new X-t3. No doubt this is fact and I will take every ounce of improvement.

The X-t3 will work very well in high frames per second. The low light it will not match the performance of the 5dmk4 and A73. Our 5dmk3 with older gen Canon FF sensor can be out performed by the Sony produced crop sensor in the Fuji body.

In good/ideal light any combo will work well. In lower light I would personally leave my X-t2 at home. Since you asked me the 5dmk4 and A73 are simply stellar performers that my X-t2 cannot match. Due to no improvements in high iso with the new X-T3 it does not meet my criteria and no access to my wallet LOL!!! I will admit the AF has much improved and should have been like that years ago!

If I owned 1 system I would have no choice and deal with whatever I can do to maximize best file output.

If you micro adjust your 70-200mk2 you will get great results with your 5dmk3. I happily purchased a GM 70-200 f/2.8 for my A7iii and the lens is a new acquisition. The AF speed of the Sony combo just works with blazing results. My Canon is great too. The Fuji does deliver too in good light.

I would take my 5dmk4 with 70-200 combo with zero turning stomach when I need results. I cannot comment on my Sony as I have not pushed the limits with my new GM 70-200 combo. I have used my 5dmk3 in low light with the 70-200 mk2 so I would have confidence in that combo but I do know the limitations of the high iso performance. Whenever I demand low light performance now I will use my 5dmk4 or A7iii. The 5dmk3 and Fuji stays home.

So far I do prefer the mirrored body as I find it hunts less than my mirrorless system in low light.

IF you are a sports shooter and put under the gun for low light sports photography I'd suggest a modern FF. You will gain every ounce of improvement for low light cleaner files.

If your on the fence I'd suggest renting and navigate the files in your software of choice.

Thanks! I like the sport pics I get with my 5d3, but I would like to have good eye AF for portraits. (Yes, a little more fps for sports would be nice too.) I do have also 7d2, but I use it only for birds & wildlife.. I prefer 5d3 files if I'm not reach limited, and especially in low light.

Really don't know where to go. 5d4 would certainly be good upgrade, but it lacks the eye AF... R has only 3-5 fps and the eye af works only in one shot.. I cannot afford A9... I cannot use my Canon lenses in A7iii or A7Riii for sports... Not sure if X-T3 would be worth the money to upgrade my 7d2 either. Anyway, my "dearest" Canon lens is 135L, and I'd like to get a nice body to shoot with it both sports, kids and portraits! Maybe I just have to wait better R...?:rolleyes:



  
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Dec 09, 2018 00:40 |  #39

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Thanks! I like the sport pics I get with my 5d3, but I would like to have good eye AF for portraits. (Yes, a little more fps for sports would be nice too.) I do have also 7d2, but I use it only for birds & wildlife.. I prefer 5d3 files if I'm not reach limited, and especially in low light.

Really don't know where to go. 5d4 would certainly be good upgrade, but it lacks the eye AF... R has only 3-5 fps and the eye af works only in one shot.. I cannot afford A9... I cannot use my Canon lenses in A7iii or A7Riii for sports... Not sure if X-T3 would be worth the money to upgrade my 7d2 either. Anyway, my "dearest" Canon lens is 135L, and I'd like to get a nice body to shoot with it both sports, kids and portraits! Maybe I just have to wait better R...?:rolleyes:

are you in the US? I would try to look for sales this time of year, maybe a used one from MPB, Adorama, bh, lens rental, or borrow lenses. I got in on an incredible deal with the A9 (lower than super low advertised price due to misrepresentations), and it's hard to put down, it's just a notch above the mk3 bodies, but if you're coming from 5D3 and want newer tech and increase in frame rate, A73/R3 should more than satisfy. I got the A9 a ton less than I did for the R3, and even that I got on sale.


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Dec 09, 2018 00:56 |  #40

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Thanks! I like the sport pics I get with my 5d3, but I would like to have good eye AF for portraits. (Yes, a little more fps for sports would be nice too.) I do have also 7d2, but I use it only for birds & wildlife.. I prefer 5d3 files if I'm not reach limited, and especially in low light.

Really don't know where to go. 5d4 would certainly be good upgrade, but it lacks the eye AF... R has only 3-5 fps and the eye af works only in one shot.. I cannot afford A9... I cannot use my Canon lenses in A7iii or A7Riii for sports... Not sure if X-T3 would be worth the money to upgrade my 7d2 either. Anyway, my "dearest" Canon lens is 135L, and I'd like to get a nice body to shoot with it both sports, kids and portraits! Maybe I just have to wait better R...?:rolleyes:


The X-T3 would have cleaner files than your 7dmk2. The difficulty in asking questions on a forum is that "love" can be strong towards a body/brand.

Read, read and read and test and rent a system.

If you wait for a dual memory card EOS R mk2 or 3 this maybe the ticket for a Canon user. If the EOS R had dual cards right now I'd own it by now. The Canon 30MP FF is a very nice sensor for the Canon world. If you have a lot of confidence in shooting 5dmk3 in low light the EOS R or 5dmk4 will be a treat.

Eye AF is no joke and is a very nice feature. However when I grab my 5d3 or 5dmk4 I do not feel for one second that I'm going to miss a shot. It's just a matter of getting back into my "Canon mode shooting style" :) When I grab my A7iii I get into a "Sony mode shooting style" using customized buttons for eye af.

If your a focus/recompose kinda guy you will need to change your style of shooting Sony. That style of shooting isn't very accurate. If you shoot Fuji you can get away with focus/recompose with decent accuracy.

If you analyze your 5dmk3 files in low light the new Gen FF bodies will really make you appreciate how much cleaner the files get. You will be able to push your limits even more in low light sports action.


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Dec 09, 2018 02:04 |  #41

Charlie wrote in post #18767141 (external link)
are you in the US? I would try to look for sales this time of year, maybe a used one from MPB, Adorama, bh, lens rental, or borrow lenses. I got in on an incredible deal with the A9 (lower than super low advertised price due to misrepresentations), and it's hard to put down, it's just a notch above the mk3 bodies, but if you're coming from 5D3 and want newer tech and increase in frame rate, A73/R3 should more than satisfy. I got the A9 a ton less than I did for the R3, and even that I got on sale.

No, I'm in EU. I should pay about 4300€ for A9. If going to A7iii (2300€) or A7Riii (3300€), I should buy native lenses too (to get more than 3fps.)



  
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Dec 09, 2018 02:24 |  #42

AlanU wrote in post #18767146 (external link)
The X-T3 would have cleaner files than your 7dmk2. The difficulty in asking questions on a forum is that "love" can be strong towards a body/brand.

Read, read and read and test and rent a system.

If you wait for a dual memory card EOS R mk2 or 3 this maybe the ticket for a Canon user. If the EOS R had dual cards right now I'd own it by now. The Canon 30MP FF is a very nice sensor for the Canon world. If you have a lot of confidence in shooting 5dmk3 in low light the EOS R or 5dmk4 will be a treat.

Eye AF is no joke and is a very nice feature. However when I grab my 5d3 or 5dmk4 I do not feel for one second that I'm going to miss a shot. It's just a matter of getting back into my "Canon mode shooting style" :) When I grab my A7iii I get into a "Sony mode shooting style" using customized buttons for eye af.

If your a focus/recompose kinda guy you will need to change your style of shooting Sony. That style of shooting isn't very accurate. If you shoot Fuji you can get away with focus/recompose with decent accuracy.

If you analyze your 5dmk3 files in low light the new Gen FF bodies will really make you appreciate how much cleaner the files get. You will be able to push your limits even more in low light sports action.

I can move focus point in 5d3 so that I don't need to focus/recompose (especially I don't want to do that with 135mm @f2.) But sometimes it's quite difficult to nail the focus in toddler's eye.. :lol: Eye af would help. I'm shooting 99% in servo and using back button focus. I'm sure I would love R's sensor, no doubt about that. If R had eye AF and 7 fps in servo, I would buy it.



  
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Dec 09, 2018 02:35 |  #43

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I can move focus point in 5d3 so that I don't need to focus/recompose (especially I don't want to do that with 135mm @f2.) But sometimes it's quite difficult to nail the focus in toddler's eye.. :lol: Eye af would help. I'm shooting 99% in servo and using back button focus. I'm sure I would love R's sensor, no doubt about that. If R had eye AF and 7 fps in servo, I would buy it.

mc11 + 135A or batis 135 ;-)a

prior years past, there wasn't even eye focus with adapted lenses, since then, long strides have been made, and you can definitely get by if you just bite down and pay a little more ;-)a


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Dec 09, 2018 11:14 |  #44

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I can move focus point in 5d3 so that I don't need to focus/recompose (especially I don't want to do that with 135mm @f2.) But sometimes it's quite difficult to nail the focus in toddler's eye.. :lol: Eye af would help. I'm shooting 99% in servo and using back button focus. I'm sure I would love R's sensor, no doubt about that. If R had eye AF and 7 fps in servo, I would buy it.

I still use focus/recompose for hired events photography getting incredible hit rate. Moving the focus point is snailed pace and does not work for me.

For the sony world focus/recompose is extremely bad. I use continuous AF and customize my AEL button to "Focus hold". So basically the camera constantly is in constant AF and when I want to lock I just press the AEL button. That works well but my brain must go into "SONY camera mode" :)

With my A7iii i can use eye focus no problem using the Sigma MC11 adapter with my L glass. Canon adapted glass just sucks if you have fast moving subjects.

For the sake of sensor performance the Fuji system is great for the aps-c world. The issues I have with Fuji is that Adobe LR can cause "worms" even when you sharpen at moderate levels. Many Fuji lovers join the fan club for Capture 1 because it seems to work well for with the x trans sensor. Capture 1 can be found free with limitations or pull out your wallet for the licensed version. Since I shoot 3 systems I will NOT spend money on capture 1 just for Fuji. Oddly in FB some Fuji pros are mocking the "FUJI crowd" for all jumping on the Capture 1 band wagon. Indeed the C1 processes better than Adobe for fuji raws.

If your going into the mirrorless world Sony is the leader at the moment for FF sensor bodies. I never in my life ever considered Sony. Now I am finding this confidence in producing virtually guaranteed clean images at ridiculous high iso. My 5dmk3 raw files falls apart much sooner and I can see a limitation due to older sensor tech. My X-t2 has made me feel like throwing it against the wall at times due to hunting AF in low light but it has slightly better iso performance than the 5dmk3. Using an external flash the red focus assist makes the 5dmk3 incredibly solid in the low light AF department. It's noticeably better than my Fuji X-t2 (Xt3 is suppose to perform better). DO NOT just take it from me and do your research from open minded non biased photographers.

If you want more confidence in raw files NOT falling apart the current FF offerings from the nikon d810 (I know your not a nikon shooter), 1dxmk2, 5dmk4 and cheaper Sony A7iii will be a big step from the 5d3. If you dive into the Fuji Xt3 world it'll be closer if not better in performance to your 5d3. Only zinger is the Fuji 90mm f/2 (135mm equiv approx f/3 dof compared to FF) is not on par with the much older "loved" 135L f/2 on a full frame sensor.

If I shoot in good light I do appreciate my Fuji system. However I find my sony system very manageable in size/weight with my GM16-35mm f/2.8. The Canon 85 f/1.8 isn't huge neither is the Sony 85 f/1.8 or Batis 85 f/1.8.

No system is perfect so your style and demands may or may not meet your needs. Don't be surprised if you bought an Canon EOS R (specs do not meet my needs), A7R3, A7iii and be spoiled in the high iso and AF performance. You will say WTF if you compare it to the 5dmk3 in some cases. RAW files will not fall apart like the 7dmk2/80D.


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Dec 09, 2018 11:52 |  #45

The MC 11 was not intended for Canon Lenses.... so it's performance will lag the Metabones. The MC-11 works really good with MC-11 certified glass from Sigma, but everything else is hit or miss. I absolutely don't have any hunting unless it is really dark... but then again my son had a tennis match last night and he was sporting all black - no contrast lines what so ever - and it still managed to decently focus. Had far more issues with the cycling lights. I was shooting at ISO 5000, F 2.0 (metabones speed booster), and 1/320 on an old a6300 - a much slower focusing camera compared to a7 family.

G-Master will be best, but please, I shoot lots of sports with a Canon lens adapted via metabones to sony bodies. G-master way better, no doubt. But if your budget doesn't allow for new Sony glass....there are options.


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