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Dec 18, 2018 05:29 |  #1606

nardes wrote in post #18773092 (external link)
Here is the Moon from our back garden, taken with the EOS R / Extender x1.4 Mk III / Extender x2.0 Mk II / EF 400mm F5.6L combination.

This image is a single Frame Grab from a 4K video sequence resized down and cropped to 1200x900.

The combined optics FL is 1120mm at F16 and there were no problems with AF.

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I don't think I have ever seen it so good.. fantastic job for such a crappy little camera... I say that with tongue in cheek because I'm tied of the negative bull crap and comparisons to yesterdays cameras. Almost had enough of it. My plan is like yours... just out do them with every shot. I have been waiting to shoot the moon but its been behind all the cloud and the earth.

I have got to get this rig setup like yours .... so good


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Dec 18, 2018 06:11 |  #1607

DigitalTuned wrote in post #18772909 (external link)
I have used my 550d kit lens EF-S 18-55mm and not only it force crops but you will be shooting at 11 or 12mp out of this camera.. Not sure why the loss of MP..

There is no way to have a crop without the loss of original MPs. It is 18 million pixels that are being cropped away. The camera does not insert an internal 1.6x TC when it detects an EF-S lens. The camera could upsample back to 30MP in firmware, like digital zoom, but that would cause unnecessary microdistortion (160% is a bad resampling ratio and hard to implement in RAW without forcing the one demosaic method in-camera), and have no value except the impressive number of MPs in a bloated file.




  
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Dec 18, 2018 06:28 |  #1608

$2819 at Georges for Aussies. That's the first discounted price for the R I'm aware of.


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Dec 18, 2018 07:32 |  #1609

I got $300 off on black friday sales.....


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Dec 18, 2018 08:40 |  #1610

nardes wrote in post #18773092 (external link)
Here is the Moon from our back garden, taken with the EOS R / Extender x1.4 Mk III / Extender x2.0 Mk II / EF 400mm F5.6L combination.

This image is a single Frame Grab from a 4K video sequence resized down and cropped to 1200x900.

The combined optics FL is 1120mm at F16 and there were no problems with AF.

Cheers

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Well if this does not convince you that the EOS R does TC's well.....Nothing will


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Dec 18, 2018 08:44 |  #1611

umphotography wrote in post #18773204 (external link)
Well if this does not convince you that the EOS R does TC's well.....Nothing will

No kidding.... The future is sharp ....:lol:


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Dec 18, 2018 08:54 |  #1612

Pondrader wrote in post #18773209 (external link)
No kidding.... The future is sharp ....:lol:


Man its December and I would lobe to get this camera and a 24-105

but my gut tells me to hold off until summer. I keep thinking a body with dual cards is right around the corner

Love what you are doing. Keep it up


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Dec 18, 2018 08:58 |  #1613

nardes wrote in post #18773092 (external link)
Here is the Moon from our back garden, taken with the EOS R / Extender x1.4 Mk III / Extender x2.0 Mk II / EF 400mm F5.6L combination.

This image is a single Frame Grab from a 4K video sequence resized down and cropped to 1200x900.

The combined optics FL is 1120mm at F16 and there were no problems with AF.

Cheers

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I think I see the American flag in there, there is so much detail!  :p


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Dec 18, 2018 09:05 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #1614

Everything I've read says that the next R likely will not be the "one step up" camera that everybody seems to be waiting for. The next body is supposedly a lower end (I think "i" but that's just me.) and then supposedly more of a "1Dx type body" and that followed near year end or early 2020 with what would be a "Mk V" type body.

I don't do weddings so I don't give a crap about dual card slots. I shot an entire weekend of high speed dance performances at a poorly lighted inside venue here in town, and after a learning curve Thursday night, I couldn't be happier. Unless you have to have dual card slots because you're obsessed with the hype surrounding it, there is no reason to wait on something else. This camera is the best camera I have ever owned. Hands down.




  
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Dec 18, 2018 10:20 |  #1615

umphotography wrote in post #18773204 (external link)
Well if this does not convince you that the EOS R does TC's well.....Nothing will

AF-wise, f/16 in the viewfinder is a great thing. It's one of the R's drool factors for me, but not enough to make me bite right now.

Optically, however, there is nothing special happening here, on the camera's end. The lens and TCs, the lack of mirror slap (possible in Live View with DSLRs), the shadow-casting sharp off-center light on the moon, the clear earth atmosphere, and the photographer's technique and tripod give most of the capture's value.

The camera's pixels are fairly large to begin with, and nardes downsized to 50%, making the results like they came from a crop from a 7.5MP-native FF sensor (with a half-strength AA filter and reduced Bayer effect), which would be hard pressed to show moderate optical softness. The larger your real pixels (or virtual ones through downsampling or binning), the less pixel-level sharpness drops when you introduce another 1.4x worth of teleconversion. That is not a quality of the bigger pixels; it is the flip side of the fact that large pixels hide fine optical details more. If adding another 1.4x makes the 80D look a bit less pixel-sharp, but not the R (with half the pixel density of the 80D), then the 80D is not failing; it is succeeding better in capturing everything the lens throws at it, which only happens completely with very soft neighbor-pixel contrast. Pixel sharpness at 100% in RAW captures is a sign that your Pixels are too big, and throwing details away.

Anyway, as we move towards good AF (and good manual-focus aids) at high open f-numbers, maybe we'll start seeing some serious TCs stronger than 2x, or lenses like 800/11. Things could get interesting in the magnification vs auto-focus department. The moon fills the height of a FF sensor at about 2640mm.




  
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Dec 18, 2018 11:51 |  #1616

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AF-wise, f/16 in the viewfinder is a great thing. It's one of the R's drool factors for me, but not enough to make me bite right now.

Optically, however, there is nothing special happening here, on the camera's end. The lens and TCs, the lack of mirror slap (possible in Live View with DSLRs), the shadow-casting sharp off-center light on the moon, the clear earth atmosphere, and the photographer's technique and tripod give most of the capture's value.

The camera's pixels are fairly large to begin with, and nardes downsized to 50%, making the results like they came from a crop from a 7.5MP-native FF sensor (with a half-strength AA filter and reduced Bayer effect), which would be hard pressed to show moderate optical softness. The larger your real pixels (or virtual ones through downsampling or binning), the less pixel-level sharpness drops when you introduce another 1.4x worth of teleconversion. That is not a quality of the bigger pixels; it is the flip side of the fact that large pixels hide fine optical details more. If adding another 1.4x makes the 80D look a bit less pixel-sharp, but not the R (with half the pixel density of the 80D), then the 80D is not failing; it is succeeding better in capturing everything the lens throws at it, which only happens completely with very soft neighbor-pixel contrast. Pixel sharpness at 100% in RAW captures is a sign that your Pixels are too big, and throwing details away.

Anyway, as we move towards good AF (and good manual-focus aids) at high open f-numbers, maybe we'll start seeing some serious TCs stronger than 2x, or lenses like 800/11. Things could get interesting in the magnification vs auto-focus department. The moon fills the height of a FF sensor at about 2640mm.

I just got a headache man, too much tech bs, just use the damn thing if you own one and if you don't like it return it. I think it's time to move away from comparisons, pixel peeping and everything else except photos. At this point for those who are wondering how this camera feels, works, compares to etc. my advice to you is rent one before you make the big jump. This way you can come to your own conclusions as to where this camera sits with you. There is also another thread about this camera that is to discuss more about the tech stuff etc. I just want to see photos talk about them disregarding the micro internals blah blah blah of the camera.


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Dec 18, 2018 12:28 |  #1617

My EOS R just arrived today. Will try to get some test shots later. While setting it up and playing with it, I noticed if you have face detect on, and there is not a face for it to find, then it switches to all focus points, which means it usually picks something you didn't intend to. is there a way to make it default to single point focus when it can't find a face? if not, what is everyone using to "quickly" switch between focusing modes?



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Dec 18, 2018 14:16 as a reply to  @ tim1970's post |  #1618

Congrats.. You know I have to be honest, I am still using center focus and recomposing as if it ever matters now... Guess some old habits just stick.. And my apologies I know this doesn't answer your question..


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Dec 18, 2018 14:37 |  #1619

nardes wrote in post #18773092 (external link)
Here is the Moon from our back garden, taken with the EOS R / Extender x1.4 Mk III / Extender x2.0 Mk II / EF 400mm F5.6L combination.
This image is a single Frame Grab from a 4K video sequence resized down and cropped to 1200x900.
The combined optics FL is 1120mm at F16 and there were no problems with AF.
Cheers
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Just to complete the story, here is a Frame Grab from the 4K Video File showing the full frame as seen on the LCD and I have just resampled it down to 1200x675.

I have also included a full resolution 1200x1200 crop from the centre of the 4K frame to show the level of detail in the 4K recording.

I wasn't able to open the 4K MP4 Movie File in Canon's own EOS Movie Utility (I have Version 1.7.0.0) so I had to use VLC Media Player to grab a PNG to then open in PS CC.

The jet stream was quite active over Brisbane at the time so the atmospheric seeing conditions were not ideal and I had to shoot between banks of clouds.:-)

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Dec 18, 2018 14:40 as a reply to  @ nardes's post |  #1620

The detail is absolutely amazing.. Wow
I can only speculate how awesome it must look in your screen with the original file size..


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