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"The DSLR is dead" EOS R and cell phone cameras taking over - so they say

 
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Jan 10, 2019 11:54 |  #46

Glad that we clarified. Here is my $10k camera, lens:

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Here is $800 phone, camera I would guess is < $100. I don't have a trigger to use strobe with it so ambient only.

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Now I need that Phase One to help with my lack of knowledge.:)

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Jan 10, 2019 12:02 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #47

Everyone needs a Phase One :lol:


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Jan 10, 2019 12:12 |  #48

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Everyone needs a Phase One :lol:

I have seen how good the latest Hassleblad is and it is glorious beautiful files, in many ways its like ULF (above 10x8). However I would not like to use a 100mp+ camera all the time given the file sizes and really not needing them all the time, its the sort of thing that personally I would hire or but then sell soon after the need arises. There is a 150mp Phase One would really like to see what that is like, wonder what the hire cost would be.


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Jan 10, 2019 12:29 |  #49

bobbyz wrote in post #18788709 (external link)
Glad that we clarified. Here is my $10k camera, lens:

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Here is $800 phone, camera I would guess is < $100. I don't have a trigger to use strobe with it so ambient only.

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Now I need that Phase One to help with my lack on knowledge.:)

#1 does look tastier, but yeah, the faking the smartphones has been able to do definitely cuts into big sensor territory.

consider that the phones can also do 20-30 fps, catching your kids or friends in the moment is oftentimes easier done from a phone. My trump card is to carry my camera with me most times, but the phone still beats it in some ways... with high movement, the phone is much more stable for video. Near water, your phone has an ipx8 rating, fully submersible in water, good luck treating any camera in that manner, it's not happening. I shoot with my A9/R3 when I can, but hard to deny how good the phone is. I mix and match the footage all the time. Slap a 1" sensor on a phone, and all hell would break loose.

big cameras have an advantage that would be tough for phones to beat..... telephoto. Note that the 1" sensor genre has moved to telephoto centric lenses. I cant imagine that was coincidental, but rather a strategy to differentiate from phones. Phones will still give better fake big aperture than any 1" sensor, computational photography should move to big sensor cameras sooner rather than later. Would love the look for F0.95 from a 2.8 lens, it should be much easier to replicate precisely when starting out with a bigger sensor.


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Jan 10, 2019 13:58 as a reply to  @ Two Hot Shoes's post |  #50

At lease 1 or two for everyone.. I agree 100%


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Jan 10, 2019 15:07 |  #51

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I have seen how good the latest Hassleblad is and it is glorious beautiful files, in many ways its like ULF (above 10x8). However I would not like to use a 100mp+ camera all the time given the file sizes and really not needing them all the time, its the sort of thing that personally I would hire or but then sell soon after the need arises. There is a 150mp Phase One would really like to see what that is like, wonder what the hire cost would be.

The files are not all that bad 165Mb or so & there is pretty good compression if you opt to use 14Bit, the true 16bit colour IIQ's are super to work with though. Renting is definitely to way to go unless you have a spare 60K+ to buy an XF100MP and a couple of lenses etc, unless you shoot a lot of high-detail stuff and can charge accordingly.


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Jan 10, 2019 16:58 |  #52

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That is how his earlier comments seemed to me, too.

I am glad that he clarified his statements in this most recent post that he made. . The "cell phone cameras are good enough" position is a ridiculous position to take when one is in a discussion with a bunch of super demanding photography geeks on a dedicated photography forum.

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Jan 10, 2019 18:48 |  #53

I purchased a phone for conversation, I dont even use it for online unless Im travelling. I own an old mirror-less that I like but I prefer the DSLR so if the DSLR becomes out of favour it wont bother me in the least as I will snap up some great gear cheap. In the end all the latest gear in the world will not buy you artistic talent


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Jan 10, 2019 20:41 |  #54

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In the end all the latest gear in the world will not buy you artistic talent

Phase One does.:)


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Jan 10, 2019 20:44 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #55

And chimps could write the works of Shakespeare if only they had Macbook Pros?!


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Jan 11, 2019 00:06 |  #56

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And chimps could write the works of Shakespeare if only they had Macbook Pros?!

They could according to the Infinite monkey theorem. :p


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Jan 11, 2019 00:18 |  #57

It doesn't matter what you buy, if it's in your bag, in your hand or on your desk, it's obsolete.


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Jan 11, 2019 10:47 |  #58

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It doesn't matter what you buy, if it's in your bag, in your hand or on your desk, it's obsolete.

Not if you have access to prerelease cameras ;-)a

My shoot today: the shot was 10093 × 10799 after I cropped it. Just saying phones have their place but perhaps the only thing they are killing off is mid & low end cameras.


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Jan 13, 2019 13:44 |  #59

I would agree that cell phones are killing off the point and shoot market. I no longer carry my Olympus Tough, it always was in the way, I always have the phone with me and for snap shots they are good

Better a so-so picture than no picture at all.


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Jan 13, 2019 13:48 |  #60

I will never hire a photographer sporting a phone for their gear for my daughters' weddings, but if they have a FF body like the EOS R or a good APS C DSLR and a good portfolio, they get my money.

So a DSLR or the EOS R is good for something... ;)

If I went to the Pacers organization and asked to shoot game photos for them, and they saw I was using a phone for gear, again, I wouldn't have made it very far, so there is a second thing DSLRs are good for.

Finally, I can't wait to see a phone that can shoot a crystal clear shot of a bird at 1200mm, that would be cool.

My 3c worth on this subject. :D

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