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Feb 15, 2019 16:23 |  #136

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oh canon..


before I go on.. i'm certain that beautiful images can be shot with this camera.. just like on the 6d2.


well atleast they were a bit more reasonable with pricing this time? right? yeah...

I would have called the 6d2 camera of the year had they released it with a proper price...I only dumped on it because of how it was priced on release.

i'm not sure what to say about his one.. ok so yes its under $1400 .. for a full frame!


sigh..

I guess if you are purely a stills person(and only a very casual video shooter) and are a beginner.. and want full frame but are on a limited budget (although with your limited budget all y ou'll be doing is adapting ef lenses)..

I was so ready to go back to having a canon, body, but the video features in 1080 are shocking.... I can forgive not having 4K, that's what I expect canon to cripple, but hell, going after 1080.... brutal. To top it off, puny battery, significantly worse than first and second gen sony's........ that's ok, I can get use to carrying a heavier cam :-P

Will revisit when the RP2 comes out with 1080p 120, at least throw me a bone here.


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Feb 15, 2019 17:53 |  #137

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18811745 (external link)
In your example the American is making $26,400.00 Canadian more annually than the Canadian is.

You are intentionally dismissing exchange rate and that the two dollars do not have the same value. I don't know why. Please go ahead and proceed, I chose to go the apples to apples route.

either way, we sure do pay less for gas! :eek:

Yes indeed fuel / gas is more expensive due to taxes.

This is my way of thinking out of the box...... I do not follow the exchange rate because it's simply easier to buy local with instant gratification :)

So if you make $80,000 USD and you buy it local (or within USA) you pay $1299.99 USD. Also you get a grip for free :P

On the same note if I make $80,000 CDN and buy it local it's going to cost me 1699.00 (no free grip).

No debate but my point is in your world your US dollar earned equates to 1 USD in your local area. Same note my CDN Dollar earned equates to 1 CDN dollar. I am excluding the exchange rate deliberately because it's not relevant or a factor if you are buying within your local "world". Your dollar spent in your local area has the same value of 1 dollar. My CDN dollar has the same exact value of 1 dollar in Canada. Canon USA has priced the EOS RP at $1299 in your local area. Canon Canada has priced the EOS RP at $1699 in Canada.

If in fact an American makes approx $26,400 more annually compared to a Canadian you actually have an advantage generally speaking. If the cost of living is ballpark the same and a decent job is roughly the same wages (Same work/same pay $$ an hour) comparing Canada to USA. This indicates you are benefiting.

The "exchange rate" factor only applies when you buy across the border. If an auto tech makes $40 dollars an hour both in Canada/USA. He walks to his local camera shop the Canadian is paying $1699( $400 dollars more) for the same camera. The American auto tech is making the same dollar an hour but when he buys the EOS RP locally it costs him $1299.

Quick ballpark math:

If you make $40/hr in USA, you must work $32.5hrs to buy the EOS RP (Canon USA MSRP $1299USD) buying local.
If you make $40/hr in Canada, you must work $42.5hrs to buy the EOS RP (Canon Canada MSRP $1699CDN)buying local. Canadian works 10 more hours.

$40 dollars is "set" and so is the MSRP set by Canon. This is very transparent in how much cheaper it is to buy in "your" USA as an american.

Electronics purchased for an American within USA is quite cheaper in comparison. This is why where calculating "without" the exchange rate is very logical.


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Feb 15, 2019 18:13 |  #138

A little bit back on topic. I see many people arguing that the new canon lenses are far better than anything other companies have and since its the lenses that matter and not the bodies then you should buy canon all the way. Has there been any real testing to determine this or is this the same color science nonsense that people just picked up an ran with to argue their brand is better than yours?


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Feb 15, 2019 18:23 |  #139

elitejp wrote in post #18811898 (external link)
A little bit back on topic. I see many people arguing that the new canon lenses are far better than anything other companies have and since its the lenses that matter and not the bodies then you should buy canon all the way. Has there been any real testing to determine this or is this the same color science nonsense that people just picked up an ran with to argue their brand is better than yours?


I would love to see you shoot a Sony A73, A9 and compare it to your Canon. The so called colour science exists. Until you shoot Sony for a while I'd like to see you have seamless workflow having identical colours to your Canon.

I've been shooting Sony A7iii since it was first introduced. My Canon 5dmk4 files certainly have a different render and colours are not exactly the same either.

I don't care what you say.....In due time I'm definitely going to buy into the zoom RF trinity of zooms. It's a matter of "no choice" if you want high quality built red ring.


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Feb 15, 2019 19:09 |  #140

Yes they will look differently directly out of the camera but there was a blind test done and people picked the brand over the color even though the brand was purposely changed. When the brand wasnt shown people were all over the place in what they thought was a better "color". So my point wasnt that every camera has the same look nor do i think every camera company needs to change their color to look like canons.
My point was are people praising these new lenses because they are canon or because there have been tests done that actually show that canons new lenses truly perform better than the competition?

Alan you can buy whatever you want im not trying to change anyones mind. Im just trying to seperate fact from fiction. But i will say that i dont think the r of rp offers anything more than what canon already offers for me


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Feb 15, 2019 20:01 |  #141

AlanU wrote in post #18811889 (external link)
So if you make $80,000 USD and you buy it local (or within USA) you pay $1299.99 USD. Also you get a grip for free :P

On the same note if I make $80,000 CDN and buy it local it's going to cost me 1699.00 (no free grip).

Be thankful you don't live in Australia then, someone here making $80,000 will have to fork out $2,099 for the body only...


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Feb 15, 2019 20:07 |  #142

mccamli wrote in post #18811940 (external link)
Be thankful you don't live in Australia then, someone here making $80,000 will have to fork out $2,099 for the body only...

think of it this way, health insurance prices in America FAR exceed camera price differences :-P


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Feb 15, 2019 20:15 |  #143

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think of it this way, health insurance prices in America FAR exceed camera price differences :-P


We all know that new cameras and gear are FAR more important than your health, so your point is moot.

I'm thinking of trading a kidney for an EF 600mm f/4L IS III USM. There's a great deal available here in Oz at the moment. The lens is $22,000 but it comes with a free lens pen. Now THAT'S what I call a bargain.


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Feb 15, 2019 21:13 |  #144

Can we PLEASE get back on topic- What are beaver pelts going for these days?  :p


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Feb 15, 2019 22:45 |  #145

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Everyone talking about exchange rates and I’m sitting here just wanting to know how the dynamic range is. Lol

Seeing the 6D mk ii is mentioned much in relation to the EOS RP, I went back to look at a couple of older reviews about the dynamic range. Because I don't think the EOS RP will differ much. Dustin Abbott ended his video saying the 5D mk iv's dynamic range seemed better, but that's a huge price gap between those two bodies.






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Feb 15, 2019 22:48 |  #146

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We all know that new cameras and gear are FAR more important than your health, so your point is moot.

I'm thinking of trading a kidney for an EF 600mm f/4L IS III USM.

Fortunately there are folks who can get by with one kidney. But who among us could get by with one lens?
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Feb 15, 2019 23:57 |  #147

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Seeing the 6D mk ii is mentioned much in relation to the EOS RP, I went back to look at a couple of older reviews about the dynamic range. Because I don't think the EOS RP will differ much. Dustin Abbott ended his video saying the 5D mk iv's dynamic range seemed better, but that's a huge price gap between those two bodies.

You can go to the link below and plot a bunch of Canon cameras (and Nikon and Sony). If you plot the 6d and the 6d Mk2, you'll see why people were disappointed with the Mark 2. No change in 5 years (I think it was 5 years between releases), seems like Canon wasn't really trying. The 5d Mark IV is pretty respectable, lags the Nikon D850, but not by a huge margin. EOS R lines up just about exactly the the 5D Mk IV.

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Feb 16, 2019 09:30 |  #148

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18811745 (external link)
In your example the American is making $26,400.00 Canadian more annually than the Canadian is.

You are intentionally dismissing exchange rate and that the two dollars do not have the same value. I don't know why. Please go ahead and proceed, I chose to go the apples to apples route.

either way, we sure do pay less for gas! :eek:

If you make 80k in Venezuela, your annual salary won’t buy a cup of coffee.

Units matter.

What next? A Canadian says he usually drives over 100 on the highway, and the Anerican wonders how he doesn’t get pulled over?


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Feb 16, 2019 11:04 |  #149

My YouTube feed is getting full of "why Canon why" videos.. Lmao oh boy.. I am sure this camera will be a beast in the hands of many photography wise, video (meh)... Great price for the camera that offers the use of the vast Canon lens line up. I am still interested in the what the pro R bodies have to offer but so far the R has been a fun experience introducing me in to the mirror less world. Can't wait to see when those who buy it start sharing pictures..


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Feb 16, 2019 11:06 |  #150

elitejp wrote in post #18811917 (external link)
Yes they will look differently directly out of the camera but there was a blind test done and people picked the brand over the color even though the brand was purposely changed. When the brand wasnt shown people were all over the place in what they thought was a better "color". So my point wasnt that every camera has the same look nor do i think every camera company needs to change their color to look like canons.
My point was are people praising these new lenses because they are canon or because there have been tests done that actually show that canons new lenses truly perform better than the competition?

Alan you can buy whatever you want im not trying to change anyones mind. Im just trying to seperate fact from fiction. But i will say that i dont think the r of rp offers anything more than what canon already offers for me

In the case of Canon mirrored to Canon mirrorless I do agree it's not a huge difference in features.

Compare your 6d with a Sony A73 and it's definitely a different world. My A73 is more on par with my 5dmk4 in overall features. In some cased it surpasses my 5dmk4. However mirrored bodies using external flash with AF focus assist using AF-S is SUPERIOR to my A73 as far as accurate low light lock.

As I said before try renting or borrow a sony. All of the internet stuff you read is worthless unless you truly test yourself. This especially applies when you post process on the files from Canon and Sony. For me there is a HUGE difference in colour management as far as colour science and effort in tweaking to your liking.

We all have a preference in colours. I actually like Fuji and Canon colour science over Sony. However it's taken me a long time to manipulate the Sony colour so it's more pleasing to my eyes.

Your Canon 85 f/1.8 and 135L has the old school canon look/render. Compare the sharpness of those two lens vs your 70-200 f/2.8mk2. The newer nano coated generation Canon glass has this different sharpner/micro contrast look. Compare my 16-35 f/2.8mk2 vs the newer version MK3 and the newer is sharper renders more like the 70-200 f/2.8mk2 look. Call it more digital looking?????? Even my cheaper Canon 35 f/2IS looks better to me than my previous 35Lmk1 BUT the 35L mk2 has an almost similar look to 35 f/2IS but of course faster glass f/1.4.

I find my Canon 85L f/1.2mk2 to looks a little sharper on my adapted Sony A73 vs my mirrored Canon bodies.

Getting back to the EOS R and RP. I assume since it's mirrorless it eliminates all of this micro adjusting AF nonsense and more images will be sharper consistently.

Owning the Sony Gmaster 16-35 and 70-200 f/2.8 I'd say it's ALOT of money to spend compared to the cheaper and similar performance of my Canon 70-200 f2.8mk2. My adapted Canon 16-35 f/2.8mk2 on my A73 is incredible!!!!!!! but I would say I give the Gmaster 16-35 an advantage in sharpness by a good margin. I do need to have a 16-35 f/2.8mk3 for a better comparison vs Gmaster 16-35.

I have a hard time believing Canon would not produce a killer RF glass line. Canon is under the microscope and lens lineups last longer than body lineups. They better make a killer glass line since the life cycle is much longer before replacement of a mk2.


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