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Mar 17, 2019 20:10 |  #9376

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I have just had an older woman, older than me so must be ancient, get really wild upset when my answer to her "We are surrounded by Muslims", was "So Bloody What?"

I assume she never studied what Christians did in the name of God. I just visited Oklahoma City and saw the bombing memorial . Timothy McVeigh was responsible for taking 168 lives and injuring over 600...he was raised Roman Catholic...sic!
When I saw the memorial, my heart sank! 168 chairs symbolizing the lost lives and a pano of the OKC memorial (Oklahoma City on that day at 9:01 AM and 9:03 AM when the bombs detonated)

That women must have been very uneducated...I feel sorry for her, Chris.


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Mar 18, 2019 01:34 |  #9377

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I assume she never studied what Christians did in the name of God. I just visited Oklahoma City and saw the bombing memorial . Timothy McVeigh was responsible for taking 168 lives and injuring over 600...he was raised Roman Catholic...sic!
When I saw the memorial, my heart sank! 168 chairs symbolizing the lost lives and a pano of the OKC memorial (Oklahoma City on that day at 9:01 AM and 9:03 AM when the bombs detonated)

That women must have been very uneducated...I feel sorry for her, Chris.
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Nice set. As for the subject... um... she is Christian spends most of her life in the op shop and at church and washing the linens etc. By no means uneducated and also has lived in UK and USA but is a typical fussy strutty blonde whose head is used mainly to stop the shoulders floating away. Nice work there Renata, puts my modest attempts to shame.


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Mar 18, 2019 04:18 |  #9378

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Mar 18, 2019 07:49 |  #9379

Amazing to watch both Kiwi PM and the public respond to this horrible event in such a thoughtful and respectful way.


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Mar 18, 2019 12:56 |  #9380

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Amazing to watch both Kiwi PM and the public respond to this horrible event in such a thoughtful and respectful way.

cheers Dave - great to see some fine Australian eggs being put to good use over your way too....


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Mar 18, 2019 14:19 |  #9381

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Amazing to watch both Kiwi PM and the public respond to this horrible event in such a thoughtful and respectful way.

There will rightfully be questions asked about how this tragedy was able to happen, but it would be hard to argue that the response has been anything but outstanding. From the police and other first responders, medical staff, the PM and other politicians, down to every day kiwis sending love and money to help those effected. It gives me a little bit of hope for humanity.


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Mar 18, 2019 15:10 |  #9382

I think people need to take a good hard look inward based on their political/religious views …...every group says every one else is wrong. Christians ….how many dam branches are there and each group says others are wrong and going to hell. Muslims have 2 major groups and look at the infighting there ….entire country's. Brother against brother etc ……….yes my degree is in theology.

Then there is the Jews ………. Now the one thing they all have in common is they all state they came from same "father" and the other thing they all claim is "we come in peace"


The answer is simple RESPECT & ACCEPTANCE …...look I don't have to agree with your views/beliefs/politica​l agenda …….. but you have the same rights as me, no one is better than any one else.
I respect your views and accept them because its your right but I expect you accept and respect my views.

Nothing will change because people and their arrogance and superiority views wont change …….. everyone has been wronged by someone else, everyone is a victim and perpetrator no one is innocent.


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Mar 18, 2019 15:14 |  #9383

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I think people need to take a good hard look inward based on their political/religious views …...every group says every one else is wrong. Christians ….how many dam branches are there and each group says others are wrong and going to hell. Muslims have 2 major groups and look at the infighting there ….entire country's. Brother against brother etc ……….yes my degree is in theology.

Then there is the Jews ………. Now the one thing they all have in common is they all state they came from same "father" and the other thing they all claim is "we come in peace"


The answer is simple RESPECT & ACCEPTANCE …...look I don't have to agree with your views/beliefs/politica​l agenda …….. but you have the same rights as me, no one is better than any one else.
I respect your views and accept them because its your right but I expect you accept and respect my views.

Nothing will change because people and their arrogance and superiority views wont change …….. everyone has been wronged by someone else, everyone is a victim and perpetrator no one is innocent.

Respect and acceptance, indeed.


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Mar 18, 2019 15:41 |  #9384

weka2000 wrote in post #18830923 (external link)
I think people need to take a good hard look inward based on their political/religious views …...every group says every one else is wrong. Christians ….how many dam branches are there and each group says others are wrong and going to hell. Muslims have 2 major groups and look at the infighting there ….entire country's. Brother against brother etc ……….yes my degree is in theology.

Then there is the Jews ………. Now the one thing they all have in common is they all state they came from same "father" and the other thing they all claim is "we come in peace"


The answer is simple RESPECT & ACCEPTANCE …...look I don't have to agree with your views/beliefs/politica​l agenda …….. but you have the same rights as me, no one is better than any one else.
I respect your views and accept them because its your right but I expect you accept and respect my views.

Nothing will change because people and their arrogance and superiority views wont change …….. everyone has been wronged by someone else, everyone is a victim and perpetrator no one is innocent.

I guess I have a little more hope for change. I hope that the tragedy will cause all kiwis to examine themselves and their own attitudes to others, and I hope that leads to more respect and acceptance for everyone. I know I have spent some time looking in the mirror since Friday.


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Mar 18, 2019 16:06 |  #9385

We are all a product of our up bringing …..our parents views affect us ……. schooling effects us, were we the bully or the one bullied?

300 yrs ago one nation changes the entire world, esp the south pacific. They brought what they considered "civilisation" to the indigenous peoples and we wonder why the off spring of the indigenous peoples have their views. Mean while another nation is formed from the outcasts and in short time have a war to seek independence from the mother land and would latter go on to be one of the biggest importer of slaves in the world.

In the 1914 we have start of a war and then again in 1939 ………. in both cases 1 man and his views ropes the entire world in to a blood bath, how many wars do we have at the moment because of peoples superiority views of themselves and what they believe.

People then react and they become extremists they gain a following …… "birds of a feather flock together" Cause and effect.

Don't know about you "older" guys but the young people don't get it, so quick to pick a side with out answering the fundamental question ………… "why" why are we right and the other side wrong, why are our views and beliefs better. Isn't this why every 3 years we have elections we may not agree with who gets in but we had a say ...no blood spilt.


50 innocent people died they were doing what the were doing, causing no one else any issue ……… why cant people just accept that not everyone is the same as them, why do they have to make it an issue …..that's how wars start.


weka hops of his soap box …….


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Mar 18, 2019 16:31 |  #9386

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Don't know about you "older" guys but the young people don't get it, so quick to pick a side with out answering the fundamental question ………… "why" why are we right and the other side wrong, why are our views and beliefs better. Isn't this why every 3 years we have elections we may not agree with who gets in but we had a say ...no blood spilt.


50 innocent people died they were doing what the were doing, causing no one else any issue ……… why cant people just accept that not everyone is the same as them, why do they have to make it an issue …..that's how wars start.


weka hops of his soap box …….

Well said Tony. No need to get down from that soap box.


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Mar 18, 2019 20:48 |  #9387

weka2000 wrote in post #18830955 (external link)
We are all a product of our up bringing …..our parents views affect us ……. schooling effects us, were we the bully or the one bullied?

300 yrs ago one nation changes the entire world, esp the south pacific. They brought what they considered "civilisation" to the indigenous peoples and we wonder why the off spring of the indigenous peoples have their views. Mean while another nation is formed from the outcasts and in short time have a war to seek independence from the mother land and would latter go on to be one of the biggest importer of slaves in the world.

In the 1914 we have start of a war and then again in 1939 ………. in both cases 1 man and his views ropes the entire world in to a blood bath, how many wars do we have at the moment because of peoples superiority views of themselves and what they believe.

People then react and they become extremists they gain a following …… "birds of a feather flock together" Cause and effect.

Don't know about you "older" guys but the young people don't get it, so quick to pick a side with out answering the fundamental question ………… "why" why are we right and the other side wrong, why are our views and beliefs better. Isn't this why every 3 years we have elections we may not agree with who gets in but we had a say ...no blood spilt.


50 innocent people died they were doing what the were doing, causing no one else any issue ……… why cant people just accept that not everyone is the same as them, why do they have to make it an issue …..that's how wars start.


weka hops of his soap box …….

It is by no means only the young.


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Mar 18, 2019 23:33 |  #9388

there is still so much beauty in this world if you only open your eyes. Bee someone who sees past the dark.


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Mar 21, 2019 23:36 |  #9389

Hi everyone!

I’m sticking my nose in your discussion... :oops:

I arrived in New Zealand at the beginning of the month with a one year Working Holiday Visa and I’m looking forward to experience shooting the night sky in the Southern Hemisphere for a change.
I’m already having a blast visiting and shooting during the day.
I’m currently in the Coromandel Peninsula, headed to Cathedral Cove area for the next two days.

I was wondering if anyone was in the area?
Not feeling overly confident about going out in the dark in new places in the middle of the night, on my own... Plus, it would be nice to have company and someone who knows this night sky. ;-)a Or just for a regular sunrise/sunsest shoot (while the moon is up :-().

If you are in any other area in NZ and are looking to go out for a shoot, let me know as I’m planning on traveling all around over the next few months.

I’m also all ears if you have advice on best places, best times to shoot, etc.

Cheers (that’s what you say right? :lol: )
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Mar 21, 2019 23:54 |  #9390

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Hi everyone!

I’m sticking my nose in your discussion... :oops:

I arrived in New Zealand at the beginning of the month with a one year Working Holiday Visa and I’m looking forward to experience shooting the night sky in the Southern Hemisphere for a change.
I’m already having a blast visiting and shooting during the day.
I’m currently in the Coromandel Peninsula, headed to Cathedral Cove area for the next two days.

I was wondering if anyone was in the area?
Not feeling overly confident about going out in the dark in new places in the middle of the night, on my own... Plus, it would be nice to have company and someone who knows this night sky. ;-)a Or just for a regular sunrise/sunsest shoot (while the moon is up :-().

If you are in any other area in NZ and are looking to go out for a shoot, let me know as I’m planning on traveling all around over the next few months.

I’m also all ears if you have advice on best places, best times to shoot, etc.

Cheers (that’s what you say right? :lol: )
Virginie


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I hope you enjoy our country, and look forward to your shots. Coromandel Peninsula is beautiful.


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