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Feb 23, 2019 21:50 |  #91

I’ve decided to part with my M50 and lenses. Post in classifieds section if anyone is interested


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Feb 23, 2019 22:23 |  #92

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Also at that point of not knowing what direction the M line is going to go. If they release an M5/6 MkII we'll have another few years to speculate on. If not...I m also pondering a basic XT-2 and the 18-55 kit. The price drop is tempting but I'd have to start over with the Fuji speedlights and on a casual rig, that's more $ that I don't want to spend towards. I really am hoping to nudge the M use more and at minimal get the M6 to replace the M3.

I feel like they could maintain both the lines and the M line has been very popular in Japan. The M50 seems to be very popular too so this may be enough for Canon to keep them around. I think the 32mm f/1.4 was a good sign they are still interested in the EF-M mount but in saying that, this year Canon stated there will be no new EF lenses and they will focus on RF. Who knows if the EF-M Mount would be included in that.

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I’ve decided to part with my M50 and lenses. Post in classifieds section if anyone is interested

I'm guessing it's because of your EOS R?


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Feb 24, 2019 05:17 |  #93

Canon said they are still working on the M series, and even applied for patents on some lenses.


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Feb 24, 2019 14:40 |  #94

That's a hopeful sign. The timing of release is one area that is open. I've been pleased with the adapted glass when used, in that realm there isn't a native option. Part of my conclusion is that Canon views those users as being outside the primary M buyer and glass as they provide is sufficient. I can understand that reason. Comes back to the enthusiast level users that want more. ;)

The new R/RP is a nice step in that direction that sizes slightly down from their FF SLR's. I really like the size of the M line though.




  
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Feb 24, 2019 15:36 |  #95

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I feel like they could maintain both the lines and the M line has been very popular in Japan. The M50 seems to be very popular too so this may be enough for Canon to keep them around. I think the 32mm f/1.4 was a good sign they are still interested in the EF-M mount but in saying that, this year Canon stated there will be no new EF lenses and they will focus on RF. Who knows if the EF-M Mount would be included in that.

You could consider the Godox AD200 if you only shoot off camera. I got the X-Pro S trigger for my Sony and plan to get the Canon version. Much easier than having different triggers for different systems.

I'm guessing it's because of your EOS R?

Not so much the R, decided to go back to M4/3 for small take everywhere/travel camera.

Had originally sold my M5 after buying the R but wasn’t having much luck selling the lenses. Figured if I had the lenses, may as well have a body so picked up the M50.

Got a slamming deal on a Panasonic GX85, decided I would rather go M4/3 over the EOS M. Granted M4/3 has issues over about 1600 iso that M doesn’t I’m still sour at Canon for lack of faster zooms and never really committing to EF-M lenses. Lots more options with M4/3.

Having the R though does make it easier to let the M go, I tried ditching everything for M4/3 awhile back and even with a top of the tech body, the limitations brought me back within two years. As second “fun” kit, I think it will be fine.

Now if Canon can make some compact f/4 or better EF-M lenses, things could change...

Maybe I am just fickle  :p


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Feb 24, 2019 16:10 |  #96

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Canon said they are still working on the M series, and even applied for patents on some lenses.

They may be, but they have had what, seven years to develop beyond consumer grade? Look at what third party prime options are available- if only they could AF.

They have made it clear RF development is taking front and center (as it should be), but I’ve waited patiently (had had the original EOS M back in 2012) and I am going to move on.

EF-M 15-45mm (24-72mm equiv) at f/6.3 or 11-22mm (18-35mm equiv) at f/5.6 isn’t going to work for me. M4/3 kit lens I got with the GX85 is 12-32 (24-64 eq) f/5.6 and there are the options of 12-35mm (24-70mm eq) at f/2.8, 12-60mm (24-120mm eq) at f/2.8-4, or 7-14mm (14-28mm eq) at f/4. Fully developed line of primes from 12-45mm in the f/1.4-f/2.8 range, even a 200mm f/2.8 (big money though...)

The other kit lens was a 45-150mm (90-300mm eq) at f/5.6. EF-M 18-150mm tops out at f/6.3 with less reach.

I don’t want to sound like I am trashing the M, it takes great pics and has great features. For me, it just downs offer the small compact size AND lens options I am looking for. With the R and RF 24-105mm as an additional option when light is an issue, it isn’t too unwieldy size wise if the IQ of the M4/3 is going to be an issue.


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Feb 24, 2019 16:59 |  #97

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They may be, but they have had what, seven years to develop beyond consumer grade? Look at what third party prime options are available- if only they could AF.

They have made it clear RF development is taking front and center (as it should be), but I’ve waited patiently (had had the original EOS M back in 2012) and I am going to move on.

EF-M 15-45mm (24-72mm equiv) at f/6.3 or 11-22mm (18-35mm equiv) at f/5.6 isn’t going to work for me. M4/3 kit lens I got with the GX85 is 12-32 (24-64 eq) f/5.6 and there are the options of 12-35mm (24-70mm eq) at f/2.8, 12-60mm (24-120mm eq) at f/2.8-4, or 7-14mm (14-28mm eq) at f/4. Fully developed line of primes from 12-45mm in the f/1.4-f/2.8 range, even a 200mm f/2.8 (big money though...)

The other kit lens was a 45-150mm (90-300mm eq) at f/5.6. EF-M 18-150mm tops out at f/6.3 with less reach.

I don’t want to sound like I am trashing the M, it takes great pics and has great features. For me, it just downs offer the small compact size AND lens options I am looking for. With the R and RF 24-105mm as an additional option when light is an issue, it isn’t too unwieldy size wise if the IQ of the M4/3 is going to be an issue.

That's about where I am - I felt better buying into the R system now than the M, even at the price difference. The M feels like it's now destined to be limited to an ILC version of a premium compact.


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Feb 26, 2019 23:35 |  #98

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I may be wrong about some of this but in terms of light gathering, it will always remain the same aperture. In terms of DOF, it does change to roughly a stop slower.

This site does a good job of telling you what it will be
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The reason I asked back in reply #85 was because Tony Northrup posted video on Youtube about multiplying the crop factor x the focal length as well as x aperture. And he showed some examples where it did appear the exposure was slightly darker. But I wasn't sure if it was an anomaly he showed or a fact. Most often he seems factually correct.

I was inquiring, because I am looking to get a wide angle for my EOS M and if that was the case, it may be better to aim for a fast prime in ef-m mount like the manual rokinon 12mm 2.0. But I'm trying to steer free of manual if possible, or keep the limit just one manual lens total.


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Feb 27, 2019 00:50 |  #99

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Not so much the R, decided to go back to M4/3 for small take everywhere/travel camera.

Had originally sold my M5 after buying the R but wasn’t having much luck selling the lenses. Figured if I had the lenses, may as well have a body so picked up the M50.

Got a slamming deal on a Panasonic GX85, decided I would rather go M4/3 over the EOS M. Granted M4/3 has issues over about 1600 iso that M doesn’t I’m still sour at Canon for lack of faster zooms and never really committing to EF-M lenses. Lots more options with M4/3.

Having the R though does make it easier to let the M go, I tried ditching everything for M4/3 awhile back and even with a top of the tech body, the limitations brought me back within two years. As second “fun” kit, I think it will be fine.

Now if Canon can make some compact f/4 or better EF-M lenses, things could change...

Maybe I am just fickle  :p

You could even consider something like the RP for compatibility of lenses but if you want a full separate kit then M4/3 is probably best for you.

From recent research, I think every APSC Mirrorless brand except Fuji is a bit lacking in lenses. I was looking at the A6400 but the selection of lenses are quite small and overpriced imo.

The EF-M mount doesn't have a large amount of lenses but the ones they do have are really great for the price.

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The reason I asked back in reply #85 was because Tony Northrup posted video on Youtube about multiplying the crop factor x the focal length as well as x aperture. And he showed some examples where it did appear the exposure was slightly darker. But I wasn't sure if it was an anomaly he showed or a fact. Most often he seems factually correct.

I was inquiring, because I am looking to get a wide angle for my EOS M and if that was the case, it may be better to aim for a fast prime in ef-m mount like the manual rokinon 12mm 2.0. But I'm trying to steer free of manual if possible, or keep the limit just one manual lens total.

Maybe it is something that needs to be tested more. It may have to do with lens transmission or something else, but as I mentioned I have no idea for this. Another reason why I prefer FF haha.

Although it's not fast, IQ wise the 11-22 is a really great lens and excellent for the price.


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Feb 27, 2019 12:01 |  #100

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Maybe it is something that needs to be tested more. It may have to do with lens transmission or something else, but as I mentioned I have no idea for this. Another reason why I prefer FF haha.

Although it's not fast, IQ wise the 11-22 is a really great lens and excellent for the price.

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Not only could it be T-stop differences (certain lenses are appreciably darker at a given aperture), but different manufacturers fib a bit about the listed ISO setting, so there are a number of ways the "same" exposure can be different. That can happen on FF too, but having more light total certainly generally helps.


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Mar 05, 2019 02:11 |  #102

I decided I may buy the 32mm soon :D Until then, the 22mm will have to do!

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Mar 20, 2019 06:03 |  #105

Today is a happy day, my 32mm arrived!

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