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Apr 09, 2019 09:13 |  #16

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I thought the importance of camera-subject-background distance relations where common knowledge.


It is..... many lenses can have nervous bokeh especially when foliage in the background. Portraits can vary as well as the selection of focal length and the perspective you want. This is where you can see when nervous bokeh rears it’s ugly head. Certain situations this happens and it will be evident when you chimp your image.


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Apr 09, 2019 10:05 |  #17

AlanU wrote in post #18842964 (external link)
It is..... many lenses can have nervous bokeh especially when foliage in the background. Portraits can vary as well as the selection of focal length and the perspective you want. This is where you can see when nervous bokeh rears it’s ugly head. Certain situations this happens and it will be evident when you chimp your image.

Obviously not :)


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Apr 09, 2019 12:27 |  #18

Welcome to the Fuji club! Jump over to the Fuji general thread, lots of great conversation regarding using the Fuji system over there.

https://photography-on-the.net …read.php?t=1263​626&page=1

And don't worry about AlanU, I think his intentions are good (I think), but he gets stuck on repeat quite often. We've all pretty much learned to shrug it off and move on. The XF 50-140mm is a fantastic lens, it's on my list.


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Apr 09, 2019 19:39 |  #19

OP, what system are you coming from?


I dig Fuji but then there's uncompromising fuji love. One's application and demands varies. If you lust for a Sigma 105mm f/1.4 or 135 f/1.8 it can be found in different systems. If you love small form factor and good quality primes and zooms the fuji is also a joy.

The beauty of gear is that it's just tools in the bag. Acquire anything at anytime to fill your needs.

When fuji drops the prices to appeal to users...the affordable 50-140mm is a great bang for the buck and adds versatility. Great IQ but I will disclose that it's not perfect either. Just noted for portraits the Fuji primes are much better. Ruffling feathers (LOL) isn't my intent yet I feel it erupts some insecurities to say such a thing. Again no lens is perfect nor is my GMaster 70-200 that never goes on sale. The GM is double the price of the Fuji 50-140mm (when on sale) yet even the GM exhibits nervous bokeh too. I keep it real and not here to preach fanboyism.

The 16mm f/1.4 and 56 f/1.2 is the only lenses that really keeps me with fuji for my fun camera.

If your a portrait guy the older gen 35 f/1.4 and 90mm should be a consideration. The 90mm will give you some nice compression. I like the subject/camera distance of the 56mm and it gives the IQ like an 85mm f/1.8 on FF.


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Apr 09, 2019 22:13 |  #20

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OP, what system are you coming from?


I dig Fuji but then there's uncompromising fuji love. One's application and demands varies. If you lust for a Sigma 105mm f/1.4 or 135 f/1.8 it can be found in different systems. If you love small form factor and good quality primes and zooms the fuji is also a joy.

The beauty of gear is that it's just toys in the bag. Acquire anything at anytime to fill your needs.

When fuji drops the prices to appeal to users...the affordable 50-140mm is a great bang for the buck and adds versatility. Great IQ but I will disclose that it's not perfect either. Just noted for portraits the Fuji primes are much better. Ruffling feathers (LOL) isn't my intent yet I feel it erupts some insecurities to say such a thing. Again no lens is perfect nor is my GMaster 70-200 that never goes on sale. The GM is double the price of the Fuji 50-140mm (when on sale) yet even the GM exhibits nervous bokeh too. I keep it real and not here to preach fanboyism.

The 16mm f/1.4 and 56 f/1.2 is the only lenses that really keeps me with fuji for my fun camera.

If your a portrait guy the older gen 35 f/1.4 and 90mm should be a consideration. The 90mm will give you some nice compression. I like the subject/camera distance of the 56mm and it gives the IQ like an 85mm f/1.8 on FF.

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There, fixed that for you :lol:
The 80mm macro, though big and expensive, is another fenomenal lens.


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Apr 09, 2019 23:04 |  #21

AlanU wrote in post #18843190 (external link)
OP, what system are you coming from?

When fuji drops the prices to appeal to users...the affordable 50-140mm is a great bang for the buck and adds versatility. Great IQ but I will disclose that it's not perfect either. Just noted for portraits the Fuji primes are much better. Ruffling feathers (LOL) isn't my intent yet I feel it erupts some insecurities to say such a thing. Again no lens is perfect nor is my GMaster 70-200 that never goes on sale. The GM is double the price of the Fuji 50-140mm (when on sale) yet even the GM exhibits nervous bokeh too. I keep it real and not here to preach fanboyism.

:rolleyes:

If "ruffling feathers" wasn't your intent, why make a comment on the IQ of a lens the TS just bought in the first place?

You're the only person in this thread suggesting the OP should buy or do anything differently with his gear... why? Why not just let the OP enjoy what he just bought?

Back to the thread...

I second Kim's question, how is the new 16mm? I'd love to see some shots from it here on the forum :)


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Apr 10, 2019 01:07 |  #22

Regarding Bokeh. I have the theory that OIS plays a big role in how it renders. it really shows in images from the 80mm but can have a cool effect if you like something different.


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Apr 10, 2019 01:32 |  #23

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:rolleyes:

If "ruffling feathers" wasn't your intent, why make a comment on the IQ of a lens the TS just bought in the first place?

You're the only person in this thread suggesting the OP should buy or do anything differently with his gear... why? Why not just let the OP enjoy what he just bought?

Back to the thread...

I second Kim's question, how is the new 16mm? I'd love to see some shots from it here on the forum :)

Everyday/Lucas....Disc​overing and understanding Fuji's eco system is a learning curve to a newcomer. In fact I can say the same for pretty much any brand.

Thank you for pointing out that I'm just providing suggestions in support of his new move to a different system. Sometimes carrying on and marching to the beat of your own drum may be costly in selecting the wrong tools for your intended application. For weddings a 16 f/1.4 is 1 stop faster with minimal hit in weight. 16 f/2.8 is a killer small form factor but for weddings a 16-55 f/2.8 will have bulk. However it greatly increases versatility while obtaining the same amount of light to the sensor.....etc etc.....granted possible increase in barrel distortion from the zoom.

Understanding the gear is crucial for a person paid for their work. In a nutshell informing that a Fuji prime lens is a "better" tool for portrait work is supportive information. Fuji primes is probably one of their best IQ in their system for portrait work. Informing the nature of a product (50-140mm) can exhibit nervous bokeh in some instances creates awareness. If this information ruffles feathers this implies pertinent info is denial of truth or not open minded that it exists. Then there is strong brand preference. I believe I'm allowing info to allow greater observation of how Fuji gear performs. There is no intent of creating friction or aggravating emotional attachment to the brand of gear. I've stated other 70-200 brands also exhibit nervous bokeh. In fact I can state this as I own them as well.

Enjoying gear and appreciating ergonomics is fine. For methodical business choices of gear for weddings and portraits redundancy is key. Tool selection to deliver the photog's style is also a factor.

no intentions to "ruffle feathers".


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Apr 10, 2019 14:18 |  #24

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Everyday/Lucas....Disc​overing and understanding Fuji's eco system is a learning curve to a newcomer. In fact I can say the same for pretty much any brand.

Thank you for pointing out that I'm just providing suggestions in support of his new move to a different system. Sometimes carrying on and marching to the beat of your own drum may be costly in selecting the wrong tools for your intended application. For weddings a 16 f/1.4 is 1 stop faster with minimal hit in weight. 16 f/2.8 is a killer small form factor but for weddings a 16-55 f/2.8 will have bulk. However it greatly increases versatility while obtaining the same amount of light to the sensor.....etc etc.....granted possible increase in barrel distortion from the zoom.

Understanding the gear is crucial for a person paid for their work. In a nutshell informing that a Fuji prime lens is a "better" tool for portrait work is supportive information. Fuji primes is probably one of their best IQ in their system for portrait work. Informing the nature of a product (50-140mm) can exhibit nervous bokeh in some instances creates awareness. If this information ruffles feathers this implies pertinent info is denial of truth or not open minded that it exists. Then there is strong brand preference. I believe I'm allowing info to allow greater observation of how Fuji gear performs. There is no intent of creating friction or aggravating emotional attachment to the brand of gear. I've stated other 70-200 brands also exhibit nervous bokeh. In fact I can state this as I own them as well.

Enjoying gear and appreciating ergonomics is fine. For methodical business choices of gear for weddings and portraits redundancy is key. Tool selection to deliver the photog's style is also a factor.

no intentions to "ruffle feathers".

The problem is that you're post is inherently condescending.

Why do you assume that the TS has done no research before making the switch? He's clearly a photographer with some experience, I'm sure he understands how a zoom compares to a prime, or how a lens being 2 stops slower could be an issue when shooting weddings... most would call that common sense if you've been shooting for a while.

Nothing you've said is brand specific either... it's pretty widely accepted that primes and zooms have their own pros and cons, those pros and cons are largely the same regardless of what brand you're referring to (as you yourself pointed out).

But whatever, I should just defer to my first post... clearly it was accurate.


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Apr 11, 2019 11:19 |  #25

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Perhaps you might describe the 'some backgrounds' you mentioned above Alan, I'd really like to see this for myself so I can learn to avoid using the lens in those situations.

It might just be me but I find the foreground rendering in your photo a good example for "suboptimal rendering". It would have been interesting to see, how the XF 90mm f/2 or the Canon 70-200 f/4 on a Canon FF body would have rendered this scene, as both of these are less prone to ugly rendering in my experience. I don't know whether it's a matter of OIS or the placement of aspherical elements or what, but the 16-55 (no OIS, so maybe not that), the 50-140 and the 80 are much more sensitive to background, forcusing distance and subject to background/foreground distance while the 35/1.4, 90/2 or 56/1.2 are much easier in this regard. I've even seen very ugly rendering from the 200/2.

Maybe it's because I use Fuji lenses more, but I have much less difficulties with the respective Canon equivalents, plus these are more flare resistant as well. It's certainly not an insurmountable problem, but it's well worth being aware of it. Plus some people see it, some don't. Some like "swirly bokeh", some don't.




  
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Apr 11, 2019 11:41 as a reply to  @ cug's post |  #26

I'd have to go shoot something like that again at 90mm to get a comparison to see. I'm totally fine with that rendering & the level of detail it offers, considering the low sun casting shadows on the ruff ground anyway. Might get round to it this weekend as I've been shooting/editing all week it'd be nice to get out and shoot something just for me. See if I can get that rendering going on, not that I'll be shooting any canon lenses  :p


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Apr 12, 2019 00:45 |  #27

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It might just be me but I find the foreground rendering in your photo a good example for "suboptimal rendering". It would have been interesting to see, how the XF 90mm f/2 or the Canon 70-200 f/4 on a Canon FF body would have rendered this scene, as both of these are less prone to ugly rendering in my experience. I don't know whether it's a matter of OIS or the placement of aspherical elements or what, but the 16-55 (no OIS, so maybe not that), the 50-140 and the 80 are much more sensitive to background, forcusing distance and subject to background/foreground distance while the 35/1.4, 90/2 or 56/1.2 are much easier in this regard. I've even seen very ugly rendering from the 200/2.

Maybe it's because I use Fuji lenses more, but I have much less difficulties with the respective Canon equivalents, plus these are more flare resistant as well. It's certainly not an insurmountable problem, but it's well worth being aware of it. Plus some people see it, some don't. Some like "swirly bokeh", some don't.

And OIS action, look at the petals OOF closest to camera. @ 1:1 and 1/120 sec shutterspeed its working hard here.


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Apr 14, 2019 08:25 |  #28

Walked out the back of the house and snapped a few shots, similar to the one above, with the 50-140 and the 90/2. These are out of camera jpegs, no editing done.


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Apr 14, 2019 08:26 |  #29

And the 90/2 at f/2. Not a lot of difference between the shots to my eyes, the rendering of the 50-140 looks about the same as the 90/2 when they both are at f/2.8, what you think?


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Apr 14, 2019 10:36 |  #30

Oh no, woooooorrrrrrmmmmmmsss​sss!!!!!

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