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May 29, 2019 13:12 |  #1

We’ve mentioned a few times previously that there would be no follow-up to the EOS 7D Mark II. We’re again hearing more about the demise of the EOS 7D series in favour of an EOS R solution. We may be beating a dead horse a bit here.

Will it be an APS-C EOS R?

We have been told that a few dealers and distributors are a bit worried about what Canon has in store for the replacement to the popular EOS 7D Mark II, as those buyers also buy lenses, more than EOS 80D buyers do. Canon has apparently told a couple of dealers that this concern will be addressed sometime later in 2019.

There has also been talk that an EOS R replacement for the EOS 7D Mark II will require the RF mount to meet target focusing speed and accuracy. Apparently, there’s more to come with the RF mount that has yet to be revealed to the world. We were given no additional insight into what we haven’t been told.

We expect an EOS 80D replacement to come sometime in 2019 that may cover EOS 7D Mark II shooters with improvements.


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May 29, 2019 13:20 |  #2

Canon split the 7D from the 50D back in 2009, and ten years later, they are likely going to announce the merging of the two lines again into a single final hurrah of the xxD/7D series, ala the 90D. There won't be a 100D for certain, but they could always use 95D if they want yet another later. I would think the 90D will be the absolute last DSLR in that prosumer crop body space though.

They did the same naming thing for the SL series (100D, 200D, then 250D, because they couldn't use 300D).

I expect to see 1 or 2 more Rebel DSLRs, a mybrid 80D/7D (90D) DSLR, and a 1D series DSLR. I would be surprised if we see any more than these 3 or 4 DSLRs. This will help clean up any inventory of parts as well as try to drum up sales.

In the mirrorless space, I expect to see another M offering, a high res R version, a high performance APS C R, and then lastly a pro 1D-like EOS R, most likely in the 2020 timeframe. The M offering may be this year yet, and perhaps the high res R near the end of the year. Right now Canon is pumping out the RF lenses.


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May 30, 2019 04:28 |  #3

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We’ve mentioned a few times previously that there would be no follow-up to the EOS 7D Mark II. We’re again hearing more about the demise of the EOS 7D series in favour of an EOS R solution. We may be beating a dead horse a bit here.

Will it be an APS-C EOS R?

We have been told that a few dealers and distributors are a bit worried about what Canon has in store for the replacement to the popular EOS 7D Mark II, as those buyers also buy lenses, more than EOS 80D buyers do. Canon has apparently told a couple of dealers that this concern will be addressed sometime later in 2019.

There has also been talk that an EOS R replacement for the EOS 7D Mark II will require the RF mount to meet target focusing speed and accuracy. Apparently, there’s more to come with the RF mount that has yet to be revealed to the world. We were given no additional insight into what we haven’t been told.

We expect an EOS 80D replacement to come sometime in 2019 that may cover EOS 7D Mark II shooters with improvements.

So, who are “WE” and where did “WE” get their information from?

Just curious to know as to whether what you posted is your own thoughts based on extensive research, or whether it has been plagiarised from another website?


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May 30, 2019 08:05 |  #4

So it looks like no 7D3. I AM NOT surprised at this

Kind of felt this way all along despite all the hopefuls saying it was going to happen

I also predict, and its just a gut feeling......the 1Dx3 will be mirrorless. I just dont see a Mirrored 1Dx3

Canon is completely dedicated to the R mounts and R lens

As i said 6 months ago.......EVERYTHING is going to change in the canon camp- this R mount announcement is a BIG BIG DEAL

I am personally not buying anything until things settle down. I am keeping my 1Dx2 and 5D4 until Canon announces mirrorless bodies that are on par to the Sony A7111 and A9's. Until that happens, there is nothing in canons future for me to consider for professional needs.

If I were a buyer, I would not purchase a mirrored 1Dx2 and 5D4 unless i was heavily invested in glass and I was going to stay put with a body for a few years. I think EF glass will hold its value and might even increase a little. The adapter for the EOS R make EF glass desirable in my opinion. The R mount lens are very very expensive. So I think people like me are waiting to see what they will do and will not buy a dam thing until things settle down. As much as I love the optics......canon is not remotely close to Sony Mirrorless bodies and technology.

A Canon body equal to the A7111 or A9 and pros and heavily invested shooters will probably make a change because they can move gradually into the system with the EF lens that will still work....Until canon does this.....my suggestion is to dont buy anything.


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May 30, 2019 08:09 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #5

The 1DX3 is already in field testing as of the beginning of the year, and expectations were told to be "evolutionary, not revolutionary".

It is HIGHLY unlikely the 1DX3 will be mirrorless. The pro R won't be announced until the 1DX3 is basically hitting shelves.

There will be 3-4 DSLRs announced yet over the next 1-2 years (90D, 1-2 rebels, 1DX3), perhaps a couple new EOS Ms, and then I suspect it will be all mirrorless (EOS M, APSC R, HiRes R, and pro R).


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May 30, 2019 08:14 |  #6

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The 1DX3 is already in field testing as of the beginning of the year, and expectations were told to be "evolutionary, not revolutionary".

Thats a rumor. No one has seen it. We dont know for sure

However, If they do release a 1Dx3 mirrored body, I wont be buying one. Whats the point. Invest now, 5K, for a body that will me replaced by a mirrorless body within 6 months........Foolish move on Canon part. I think people wont buy at all. Why would anyone invest big $$$ for a camera thats going to be obsolete. The future per Canon is R mounts.


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May 30, 2019 13:02 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #7

There is ABSOLUTELY no way Canon developed 3 mirrorless FF bodies to the point that a 1D equivalent is in the hands of testers. It isn't even in the realm of possibility. That is true based on a) Canon R&D cycles, b) seeing what they already released on the R/RP and how far they are still from something like the aging Sony A9, and c) based on very reputable rumor sources.

However it is certainly expectant that Canon started the 1DX3 quite some time ago, and will try to beef it up enough to entice people (probably with more resolution, like the 5D4 sensor since it is so close to the 1DX2) and if they created some sort of 1DX3 equivalent of the 5D4, they will likely have a pretty good hit on their hands. Let's say it is the 5D4 sensor and has true 4K capability, and it shoots 15fps? That will get alot of sports shooters pretty darn excited, and I would think wildlife and event shooters too.


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There is ABSOLUTELY no way Canon developed 3 mirrorless FF bodies to the point that a 1D equivalent is in the hands of testers. It isn't even in the realm of possibility. That is true based on a) Canon R&D cycles, b) seeing what they already released on the R/RP and how far they are still from something like the aging Sony A9, and c) based on very reputable rumor sources.

However it is certainly expectant that Canon started the 1DX3 quite some time ago, and will try to beef it up enough to entice people (probably with more resolution, like the 5D4 sensor since it is so close to the 1DX2) and if they created some sort of 1DX3 equivalent of the 5D4, they will likely have a pretty good hit on their hands. Let's say it is the 5D4 sensor and has true 4K capability, and it shoots 15fps? That will get alot of sports shooters pretty darn excited, and I would think wildlife and event shooters too.


If it has a mirror no one is going to get excited. All you have to do is PU and A9 and find out why

I have my last 2 DSR's. I can hold out for 3-4 more years. I suspect many will do the same. Why invest that kind of $$$$ when a mirrorless equivalent is around the corner....they have to come up with an answer to the A9 or these fancy new R mount lens will sit on the shelves.

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May 30, 2019 15:44 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #9

I personally don't care if it has a mirror, I would love a 1D equivalent of the 5D4 (with a bit more even than the 1DX2 or 5D4). Mirror or no mirror... Doesn't affect sports shooting for me personally. I would be interested in such a 1D depending on its price of course. I have no desire to go RF lenses at this time, because it isn't worth the investment for me. I will wait for prices to drop on all of them here in the next year or two before considering them.

I have a mirrorless that works quite well for the other things that a mirrorless is pretty good at for other things I shoot. It does landscapes well, macros extremely well, and even a tiny bit of sports/action.

I suspect there are many other pro shooters out there that would welcome a higher resolution faster AF 1D version of the 5D4, along with some other newer perks, if it had a mirror. ;) Will they sell tons? Probably not, in the last year, it seems the number of defectors to other manufacturers models has been at an all time high.


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May 31, 2019 11:13 |  #10

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The 1DX3 is already in field testing as of the beginning of the year, and expectations were told to be "evolutionary, not revolutionary".

It is HIGHLY unlikely the 1DX3 will be mirrorless. The pro R won't be announced until the 1DX3 is basically hitting shelves.

There will be 3-4 DSLRs announced yet over the next 1-2 years (90D, 1-2 rebels, 1DX3), perhaps a couple new EOS Ms, and then I suspect it will be all mirrorless (EOS M, APSC R, HiRes R, and pro R).

But who is going to want an "evolutionary" 1Dx3? Whats it going to do. Push high ISO even further? How much higher does it need to go? I don't hear anyone saying if only the 1Dx2 could shoot in darker venues. Your not going to get that mirror to flip up and down much faster.... its been in that range now for over 20 years. The whole mechanics/physics is starting to be an issue. Even Sony is hitting some physics limitations (for the cost). And with full sensor read capability coming.... plus your getting into the world of video capture, and with 8k video coming. I'm just not sure what they can do that is evolutionary that would interest me.

The whole thing is a mess. I do believe a 90D is coming, and I think it will be a merger of the 80D with the 7D. And it will probably be the best value APS-C camera out there. For those holding on to their mirrors, I think it will be a good camera. Higher ISO. Better focus. Better video capture. There is still room for evolutionary growth there in Canon's APS-C camera line.

I just don't see a $6,000 evolutionary camera body being that interesting coming from Canon. It's got to be able to beat the A9... at a competitive price point.


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May 31, 2019 12:06 |  #11

This doesn't surprise me. Not sure if this means you will better performance out of dedicated RF mount lenses.

There has also been talk that an EOS R replacement for the EOS 7D Mark II will require the RF mount to meet target focusing speed and accuracy.

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May 31, 2019 13:58 as a reply to  @ Croasdail's post |  #12

I hope it is mirrorless but I just don't see it. Also it better beat the A9 especially with the current $1000 sale from Sony making the A9 $3500 brand new. If it is mirrorless, I am convinced it won't beat the A9. The EOS R doesn't really beat the A7III, in its own price range.

However too, you underestimate the number of those that want DSLRs. There are threads on various boards where people still want DSLRs with improved sensors and speed and would buy them in a heartbeat. Mirrorless isn't for everyone.


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May 31, 2019 18:09 |  #13

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Thats a rumor. No one has seen it. We dont know for sure

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That applies to everything in this thread though... including the title subject.



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May 31, 2019 19:35 |  #14

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But who is going to want an "evolutionary" 1Dx3?
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May 31, 2019 19:39 |  #15

umphotography wrote in post #18869725 (external link)
Thats a rumor. No one has seen it. We dont know for sure


CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18870538 (external link)
That applies to everything in this thread though... including the title subject.

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Jake, I thought that within the past few days, Canon themselves said that the 7D line would come to an end ….. didn't they? . If that is the case, and I have heard as much from several sources, then it is indeed a fact and not a rumor.

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