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Jun 08, 2019 20:39 |  #8611

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Jun 08, 2019 21:39 |  #8612

Ok.... you want to keep this going.... what ever. In your first image you just posted.... show me where there is motion blur in the back ground? Not the wheels of the subject... but the background itself. Maybe you don't like that definition of panning meaning that you are blurring the background by tracking your subject with a slow shutter speed to bring focus to the subject, but the majority of photographers do. Both of your shots are fine, but particularly when the background is just out of focus - that is not a traditional panning shot.

And no one is being a "policeman". You can post what ever you want. No one is stopping you. So call me what you will.... don't really care either way.

Panning per Wikipedia

"When photographing a moving subject, the panning technique is achieved by keeping the subject in the same position of the frame for the duration of the exposure. The exposure time must be long enough to allow the background to blur due to the camera movement as the photographer follows the subject in the viewfinder."

Let me emphasize "the background to blur due to the camera movement as the photographer follows the subject" ... not just DoF. It means the background has motion blur to it to isolate the subject... not just out of focus.

I have shots taken at 1/400 or greater with wheel spin in them - that isn't panning. At least in traditional photo terms. It doesn't take away from good images... not at all.

Here is a write up from National Geographic - they know a thing or two about photography

https://www.nationalge​ographic.com …raphy-panning-richardson/ (external link)

It's basic.... but re-emphasizes the point.

Again, not saying your shots aren't good.... just some are not using motion to blur the background like traditionally define "panning" has been defined for decades. Do what you want... I don't really care one way or another. For those that do care - this is how the technique has been defined in the past.

Sincerely yours, your local policemen.....




  
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Jun 09, 2019 03:22 |  #8613

Still haven’t gone through my Main Event photos...

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Jun 09, 2019 03:44 |  #8614

Croasdail wrote in post #18874619 (external link)
You know.... never mind...

Here are my two shots. You know, back in the day this used to be a cool place because it was about photographers helping other photographers try to get better. Now it seems to have lost that sense of sharing and is more about thumping my own chest. If trying to explain what panning is versus tracking versus motion blur makes me a police man, sorry. The whole place suffers when it becomes my ego. Just all very irritating, I know... obviously that isn't what people want here.

Edited your post, HTH.:-)

BTW be interested to see the data on the first shot.. that would be helpful.




  
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Jun 09, 2019 05:10 |  #8615
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Croasdail wrote in post #18874646 (external link)
Ok.... you want to keep this going.... what ever. In your first image you just posted.... show me where there is motion blur in the back ground? Not the wheels of the subject... but the background itself. Maybe you don't like that definition of panning meaning that you are blurring the background by tracking your subject with a slow shutter speed to bring focus to the subject, but the majority of photographers do. Both of your shots are fine, but particularly when the background is just out of focus - that is not a traditional panning shot.

And no one is being a "policeman". You can post what ever you want. No one is stopping you. So call me what you will.... don't really care either way.

Panning per Wikipedia

"When photographing a moving subject, the panning technique is achieved by keeping the subject in the same position of the frame for the duration of the exposure. The exposure time must be long enough to allow the background to blur due to the camera movement as the photographer follows the subject in the viewfinder."

Let me emphasize "the background to blur due to the camera movement as the photographer follows the subject" ... not just DoF. It means the background has motion blur to it to isolate the subject... not just out of focus.

I have shots taken at 1/400 or greater with wheel spin in them - that isn't panning. At least in traditional photo terms. It doesn't take away from good images... not at all.

Here is a write up from National Geographic - they know a thing or two about photography

https://www.nationalge​ographic.com …raphy-panning-richardson/ (external link)

It's basic.... but re-emphasizes the point.

Again, not saying your shots aren't good.... just some are not using motion to blur the background like traditionally define "panning" has been defined for decades. Do what you want... I don't really care one way or another. For those that do care - this is how the technique has been defined in the past.

Sincerely yours, your local policemen.....

With all due respect, if the above post is in response to the four images posted by SPEEDYNC, then all four of those images meet the criteria that you have stipulated in the above post. The bikes are sharp and in focus and the backgrounds have lateral movement in them. Now there might not be as much motion blur in the images as you personally would like, but it is there nonetheless.

PS, it would help if you would provide a link to who you are responding to.

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Jun 09, 2019 06:02 |  #8616

Emce wrote in post #18874728 (external link)
Edited your post, HTH.:-)

BTW be interested to see the data on the first shot.. that would be helpful.

Not sure. That is from my screen saver file...I don't have the original images online anymore. They are all archived. I stopped shooting for ALMS when they shut down so probably at the end. Maybe somewhere between 2008 and 2012 - leaning towards closer to 2008.

Is there something in particular you were looking for?

John -

As to whether certain shots are technically panning or not - that is far from why I jumped in here. Some of the shots here are very much panning. Some less so. Some not at all. The vast majority are good motorsport images. Got not no problem with them. But if an editor were to ask for a panned shot of "x", some of these would not be what they were expecting. Good shots... but not what would have been expected.

The intent of this whole thread when started back in 2007 was to show your best shot at 1/60 or slower - read page 1.

"So lets see yours..... can u beat 60th?"

I didn't just pull a number out of thin air... it was the original challenge that got this whole thing going. If others want to post other stuff.... fine, doesn't worry me. Not sure whey all the rage here when that is the theme of this thread. Obviously the intent of the thread morphed over time.

Hopefully we can put a nail in the coffin in this line of discussion..... didn't mean to interrupt you all's fun. Cheers.




  
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Jun 09, 2019 13:41 |  #8617

So it's an endless discussion about the 'right' panning technique. IMO it's not important which shutter speed you're using to make a real good panning - and it's really not important to quote a 12 years old first posting. Panning under 1/60 might be interesting but it also is a fetish which suffers from the sharpness of a picture. So I have seen in this thread many 1/60 which ain't worth to talk about them and also brilliant ones. Let's enjoy the pictures without all this wisecracking.


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Jun 09, 2019 13:50 |  #8618
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Croasdail wrote in post #18874764 (external link)
Not sure. That is from my screen saver file...I don't have the original images online anymore. They are all archived. I stopped shooting for ALMS when they shut down so probably at the end. Maybe somewhere between 2008 and 2012 - leaning towards closer to 2008.

Is there something in particular you were looking for?

John -

As to whether certain shots are technically panning or not - that is far from why I jumped in here. Some of the shots here are very much panning. Some less so. Some not at all. The vast majority are good motorsport images. Got not no problem with them. But if an editor were to ask for a panned shot of "x", some of these would not be what they were expecting. Good shots... but not what would have been expected.

The intent of this whole thread when started back in 2007 was to show your best shot at 1/60 or slower - read page 1.

"So lets see yours..... can u beat 60th?"

I didn't just pull a number out of thin air... it was the original challenge that got this whole thing going. If others want to post other stuff.... fine, doesn't worry me. Not sure whey all the rage here when that is the theme of this thread. Obviously the intent of the thread morphed over time.

Hopefully we can put a nail in the coffin in this line of discussion..... didn't mean to interrupt you all's fun. Cheers.

With all due respect, what was written in the opening post of this thread has no bearing whatsoever on the blanket statement that you made in post No. 8596, “Most shots over 1/60th aren't panning….” You are implying that any panning shot taken at a greater shutter speed than 1/60 is not a panning shot, regardless of whether or not it is posted in this thread or elsewhere. You made no reference to the opening post when you wrote that.
Even the National Geographic article that you linked to states that there is no correct shutter speed for panning:

Pick a good shutter speed. This is important; however, there is no “correct” shutter speed for panning.

Which bit of that do you not understand?




  
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Jun 09, 2019 14:51 |  #8619

john crossley wrote in post #18874947 (external link)
With all due respect, what was written in the opening post of this thread has no bearing whatsoever on the blanket statement that you made in post No. 8596, “Most shots over 1/60th aren't panning….” You are implying that any panning shot taken at a greater shutter speed than 1/60 is not a panning shot, regardless of whether or not it is posted in this thread or elsewhere. You made no reference to the opening post when you wrote that.
Even the National Geographic article that you linked to states that there is no correct shutter speed for panning:

Pick a good shutter speed. This is important; however, there is no “correct” shutter speed for panning.

Which bit of that do you not understand?

My apologies.... I was totally incorrect. what the intent of this thread was some time ago has no relevance what so ever. The extent of the blur has no relevance to the quality of the panning what so ever either.

Please post away .... I will no longer "police" this lovely conversation.

Please .... again.... my deepest apologies and deepest regrets for chiming in.




  
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Jun 09, 2019 16:09 |  #8620

Moving on, a couple from me.


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Jun 09, 2019 18:49 |  #8621


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Jun 10, 2019 13:16 |  #8622

Wish this had turned out better but the driver added a little bounce which didn't help - these are from a sequence of about 14 - panning about half came out ok.


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Jun 10, 2019 23:21 |  #8623

Back to Bikes... this is from the annual Bull City Rumble... great event

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Jun 11, 2019 09:31 as a reply to  @ Mozes's post |  #8625

Wow.... those are freakishly clean backgrounds..... where did you capture these. Makes for a very clean image.




  
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