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Jun 23, 2019 15:23 |  #21556

RodS57 wrote in post #18882573 (external link)
I would think you know which subject matter / conditions typically exhibits overexposure. Why not dial in some EC at these times?

Rod

Thanks Rod - I have not been using EC because I thought previous experiments - plus other users - showed EC to not work when using auto ISO.

I don't know how my previous experience came to this conclusion but glad I was wrong.

I anticipate using it often now.


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Jun 24, 2019 01:27 |  #21557

Immaculens wrote in post #18882585 (external link)
Thanks Rod - I have not been using EC because I thought previous experiments - plus other users - showed EC to not work when using auto ISO.

I don't know how my previous experience came to this conclusion but glad I was wrong.

I anticipate using it often now.

The EC in manual is quite a new function. For example the 5D3 does not have it. The earlier 1D cameras may have had it several generations ago, but the 7d2 was the first non 1D camera with that function. That is probably what is confusing you about it working or not.


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Jun 24, 2019 04:01 |  #21558

Immaculens wrote in post #18882525 (external link)
Can you folks give me examples of how you use the exposure compensation when shooting nature or wildlife?

And how is it different that adjusting ISO? I've never had a good handle on EC...

I most often use auto ISO in M mode but too often over exposes my subject.

Or should I use center-weighted average metering?

I don't shoot nature / wildlife but uses auto ISO in M mode. If it overexpose the subject, I would under compensate to balance it to my liking.


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Jun 24, 2019 04:18 |  #21560

Immaculens wrote in post #18882525 (external link)
Can you folks give me examples of how you use the exposure compensation when shooting nature or wildlife?

And how is it different that adjusting ISO? I've never had a good handle on EC...

I most often use auto ISO in M mode but too often over exposes my subject.

Or should I use center-weighted average metering?

Hi Will,
Exposure composition (EC) is used when the subject and the background are of different exposures. For example, I shoot birds in flight (BIF), and the sky is so bright that the birds would end up being way underexposed, if I didn't use EC to over expose the sky by +1, +2, and sometimes even +3 (rarely) in order to allow the bird to be correctly exposed. So anytime that I'm shooting in Av or Tv mode, I'm using EC to get the correct exposure for my subject. A white bird, such as an egret (against a darker background) will be way over exposed if I don't use EC to get the correct exposure for the bird. In the case of the egret, I must use EC by under exposing -1, or -2 to keep from blowing out the bright white color of the bird.

Most of us who shoot wildlife (especially birds) like to shoot in manual mode because it's easier to consistently get the correct expose for our subject. Here, we don't use EC, but instead we can manually change the shutter speed, the aperture, or the ISO in order to get the correct exposure for our desired subject. An example would be shooting an elk against a snowy background. Once we figure out the correct exposure for the elk, and set our shutter speed, aperture and ISO; then it doesn't matter if the elk walks off the snow, and ends up with a forest background. We've already established the correct exposure for elk in manual mode, so whatever the background is, the elk will be correctly exposed.

Will...the more I type the more I realize that I have to try to explain this by talking to you directly. If you wish, I'd be happy to speak to you over the phone. PM me if you are interested, and I'll give you my cell phone number. I'd be happy to talk to you.


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Jun 24, 2019 19:14 |  #21561

Thank-you so much Lame-Duck. Appreciate the energy and thought into your helpful reply. I feel better armed to go out in the field and in the harsher light conditions or subjects that have been proven to keep overexposing in conjunction with using auto ISO in M mode - I feel I can lower my exposure using EC by likely 2/3rds of a stop which I think will solve much or all of my issue. Never too old to learn.

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Hi Will,
Exposure composition (EC) is used when the subject and the background are of different exposures. For example, I shoot birds in flight (BIF), and the sky is so bright that the birds would end up being way underexposed, if I didn't use EC to over expose the sky by +1, +2, and sometimes even +3 (rarely) in order to allow the bird to be correctly exposed. So anytime that I'm shooting in Av or Tv mode, I'm using EC to get the correct exposure for my subject. A white bird, such as an egret (against a darker background) will be way over exposed if I don't use EC to get the correct exposure for the bird. In the case of the egret, I must use EC by under exposing -1, or -2 to keep from blowing out the bright white color of the bird.

Most of us who shoot wildlife (especially birds) like to shoot in manual mode because it's easier to consistently get the correct expose for our subject. Here, we don't use EC, but instead we can manually change the shutter speed, the aperture, or the ISO in order to get the correct exposure for our desired subject. An example would be shooting an elk against a snowy background. Once we figure out the correct exposure for the elk, and set our shutter speed, aperture and ISO; then it doesn't matter if the elk walks off the snow, and ends up with a forest background. We've already established the correct exposure for elk in manual mode, so whatever the background is, the elk will be correctly exposed.

Will...the more I type the more I realize that I have to try to explain this by talking to you directly. If you wish, I'd be happy to speak to you over the phone. PM me if you are interested, and I'll give you my cell phone number. I'd be happy to talk to you.


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Jun 25, 2019 03:12 |  #21563

I often use EC and auto ISO in ‘manual’ mode. The last couple of weeks I have been shooting wildlife with a 7D2 and a 5D3 and missed this feature on the 5D. I ended up going full manual for this one. I find centre weighted metering works best for me with EC in auto ISO.




  
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Jun 25, 2019 04:59 |  #21564

Wow; beautiful night shots, Ah-keong...love all the color. I especially like the 1st image.


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Jun 25, 2019 09:28 as a reply to  @ Ah-keong's post |  #21565

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Jun 26, 2019 21:50 |  #21567

I just got my camera back from CPS and I am not so sure I like the updated firm wear. Now I have to hit the AF point selection button before changing AF points or layout. I liked just being able to change it using just the joystick and lever. But here is one from this evening.


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Jun 27, 2019 05:17 |  #21568

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I just got my camera back from CPS and I am not so sure I like the updated firm wear. Now I have to hit the AF point selection button before changing AF points or layout. I liked just being able to change it using just the joystick and lever. But here is one from this evening.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:21 |  #21569

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Wow; beautiful night shots, Ah-keong...love all the color. I especially like the 1st image.

Thanks Lame-Duck, was afraid I overdo the contrast....  :p


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Jun 27, 2019 20:26 |  #21570

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Thanks Spiderbob !~  :p


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