Capture One, or the future of post-processing

drmaxx wrote in post #18884232
I can tell you what my main motivation was to switch from LR to C1:
* And last but not least: I detested the way how Adobe nagged their customers to switch to the cloud.

Yes, I find a like both C1 & PS/LR and I have used LR long enough I am more comfortable with it. But I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to go to Adobes cloud. I will quit photography first!!! I really like C1 and will likely move permanently very soon.

Apricane wrote in post #18884502
Thanks. However, I was specifically asking about experience using it with dual monitors, I'm sure it's possible.

I find dual monitors in C1 and LR to be about the same. Both work very well for me.

Lumens wrote in post #18884511
But I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to go to Adobes cloud.

Agree. I am aghast at anybody that goes to the cloud with anything, let alone images. People put personal finances, personal health, etc. on the cloud. (Shudder.) I am well aware of portability. However, in this day and age of egregious, flagrant data collection, what would make people think the Borg (Google, Facebook, et. all) are not spying on them? How naive can one be?

I have never put an image on the cloud and never will. I buy a good quality drive and enclosure and build it myself. Dirt cheap, on my desk, and only for me to see and use. And I never need to worry about ISPs having problems, external attacks, nor data center outages.

Just remember, if you have a bank account, really any type of account, your data is in the cloud. The 'cloud' is nothing more than a remote data center with connections to the public Internet. Unless someone keeps all their money under their pillow or data managed on notebooks, your data is in the cloud, heck, this platform is in the 'cloud'. I could be wrong but I think most protest Adobe's cloud as they are just tired of yet another subscription that is out of their control and the feeling of being locked in to that platform, i.e. because if I cancel my subscription, I have to get my photos off that platform, which could be an arduous task or risk losing them. Just .02 worth.

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18884517
I have never put an image on the cloud and never will.

Do you post images here? To Flickr? 500px? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down...

tmwhitm wrote in post #18884508
I have been using Canon DPP, found it was getting the job done in my limited photographic ability. I have been looking to try another PP tool but like most, hated to get into a subscription with Adobe. Which C1 product are most using, Pro, studio? Maybe sticking with DPP as a hobbyist is better but even as a hobbyist, always searching for more...

I wouldn't have an issue using DPP as I did use it for many years with PS, which I'd still have to use in partnership. I still have CS6. Since I saved as a TIFF when sending it to PS camera age does not matter. I only switched to LR for mass editing but over the years started to appreciate what it could do. I may yet go back to DPP some day. It is very capable.

If anyone has PS The PixelGenius group made PK Sharpener free as long as it works. Not supported any longer. It uses the same export algorithms as LR does with more options. Also offers capture and creative sharpening. It was $100 a year ago.

http://www.pixelgenius​.com/

Lumens wrote in post #18884511
Yes, I find a like both C1 & PS/LR and I have used LR long enough I am more comfortable with it. But I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to go to Adobes cloud. I will quit photography first!!! I really like C1 and will likely move permanently very soon.

Just in case. You don't have to use the cloud with LR Classic. If fact you couldn't get your files into the cloud if you wanted to. LR Classic requires local file storage.

I have been a subscriber since 2017 and I don't have a single file it the cloud. LR Classic installs on the desktop just like LR5 and 6 did. I don't care what anyone uses but when I read "go to the cloud" there are several options for what a user wants to do or use.

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18884517
Agree. I am aghast at anybody that goes to the cloud with anything, let alone images. People put personal finances, personal health, etc. on the cloud. (Shudder.) I am well aware of portability. However, in this day and age of egregious, flagrant data collection, what would make people think the Borg (Google, Facebook, et. all) are not spying on them? How naive can one be?

I have never put an image on the cloud and never will. I buy a good quality drive and enclosure and build it myself. Dirt cheap, on my desk, and only for me to see and use. And I never need to worry about ISPs having problems, external attacks, nor data center outages.

You don't have to use the cloud. It is impossible to put files in the cloud using LR Classic. It requires local file storage.

Liked the article https://digital-photography-school.com/capture-one-pro-switch/
Made me want to give C1 a go

MikeJackson wrote in post #18885011
Liked the article https://digital-photography-school.com/capture-one-pro-switch/
Made me want to give C1 a go

One thing I really like is the ability to create very easily luma or color masks. Awesome.

Apricane wrote in post #18881941
Some (real and potential) negatives:
-I use more than one computer for post-processing (my desktop and occasionally my laptop, which don't share a file nor disk structure), and I'm concerned it might be awkward to do so, especially since you have to import photos into a catalog to edit them. Haven't tried exporting/importing catalogs yet, though this should be possible. Not sure how intuitive it would be for my purposes.

I'm not sure this was answered in the previous pages, but I use 3 different machines, 2 a lot. It can be very easy.

First, I should note that you can delete photos (e.g. on your hard drive or temporary storage) and you will still see the thumbnails, and C1 never complains about it, so that is no problem.

Second you should 'play' with sessions vs catalogs and figure out which is going to work best for most of your work (I use catalogs, but don't have a problem using 2-3 machines).

Then what I do, is once I am finished with editing on one computer, I sync the catalog (and files - usually) to my wireless storage (using syncback free, so I only overwrite updated files). Then I simply mirror that to my other computer (again, it only updates files that need updating) before starting to work on the other machine. In fact, you don't even really have to mirror the files, just the catalog, since any files that don't actually exist will just be marked as 'offline'. The only time you might run into an issue is if your catalogs on the two machines diverge. I think there is a way of merging them, since you can import one catalog into another, but I haven't needed to do that.

Now, if you generate large previews, the catalogs can get big. However, I find that the minimum size works fine for me - I do not find that it helps speed up the processing to generate large previews. But since you should be only updating newer files, it really shouldn't take long.

My biggest pet-peeve with C1 is not being able to see all the files under sub-directories.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18882325
C1 for thethered shooting is top notch.

Agree. I used this for the first time for doing headshots of nearly 70 middle schoolers for a play they were putting on. It made the process so much easier. The kids had fun, I was less stressed (actually not stressed and had fun too) and the kids all got the headshots they wanted.

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18882419
I have read multiple places that C1 has a somewhat steep learning curve.

True or not?

I never recommend C1 to new/beginner photographers. It just has so much, and so many options and ways of doing things, that I think it can be confusing. If you don't know pretty much exactly what you want to do, it's not a good tool - i.e. it's not good for people that just play with a few sliders until the photo looks good.

Personally I spent 40-60 hours to get to the stage where I had everything customized, keys set where I wanted them and didn't have to thing about where to go for something. Of course that included changing things multiple times as I figured out what was going to work best for me.

For some people that is a lot of time. In the grand scheme of things, for the amount of time I spend editing, it is a very short time. Compared with becoming an expert with Photoshop, it is very short. Compared with other editors it is much longer because you can do a lot more.

I have never used LR though. I just can't stand it. I did try to use it before C1, and while easy to navigate, I just hated using it.

ejenner wrote in post #18885960
I'm not sure this was answered in the previous pages, but I use 3 different machines, 2 a lot. It can be very easy.

First, I should note that you can delete photos (e.g. on your hard drive or temporary storage) and you will still see the thumbnails, and C1 never complains about it, so that is no problem.

Second you should 'play' with sessions vs catalogs and figure out which is going to work best for most of your work (I use catalogs, but don't have a problem using 2-3 machines).

Then what I do, is once I am finished with editing on one computer, I sync the catalog (and files - usually) to my wireless storage (using syncback free, so I only overwrite updated files). Then I simply mirror that to my other computer (again, it only updates files that need updating) before starting to work on the other machine. In fact, you don't even really have to mirror the files, just the catalog, since any files that don't actually exist will just be marked as 'offline'. The only time you might run into an issue is if your catalogs on the two machines diverge. I think there is a way of merging them, since you can import one catalog into another, but I haven't needed to do that.

Now, if you generate large previews, the catalogs can get big. However, I find that the minimum size works fine for me - I do not find that it helps speed up the processing to generate large previews. But since you should be only updating newer files, it really shouldn't take long.

My biggest pet-peeve with C1 is not being able to see all the files under sub-directories.

Thanks for this, this is useful to know. I understand that ‘Syncback Free’ is a third-party app? Or is it part of C1?

ejenner wrote in post #18885960
I'm not sure this was answered in the previous pages, but I use 3 different machines, 2 a lot. It can be very easy.

First, I should note that you can delete photos (e.g. on your hard drive or temporary storage) and you will still see the thumbnails, and C1 never complains about it, so that is no problem.

Second you should 'play' with sessions vs catalogs and figure out which is going to work best for most of your work (I use catalogs, but don't have a problem using 2-3 machines).

Then what I do, is once I am finished with editing on one computer, I sync the catalog (and files - usually) to my wireless storage (using syncback free, so I only overwrite updated files). Then I simply mirror that to my other computer (again, it only updates files that need updating) before starting to work on the other machine. In fact, you don't even really have to mirror the files, just the catalog, since any files that don't actually exist will just be marked as 'offline'. The only time you might run into an issue is if your catalogs on the two machines diverge. I think there is a way of merging them, since you can import one catalog into another, but I haven't needed to do that.

Now, if you generate large previews, the catalogs can get big. However, I find that the minimum size works fine for me - I do not find that it helps speed up the processing to generate large previews. But since you should be only updating newer files, it really shouldn't take long.

My biggest pet-peeve with C1 is not being able to see all the files under sub-directories.

This (bolded) is not the case. If you copy files to a new directory and click the "leave images in current directory" (something like that) all the original raws will be visible and available for other uses.

You can do it with tethered shooting too. Just set it up right from the beginning and all files will be loaded into the same directory as the catalog.