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Are you going to sell your EF lenses when Canon moves decisively to mirrorless?

 
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Jul 09, 2019 07:42 |  #166

I'll not sell EF lenses. They still fit on my current EOS cameras. I tend not to sell them either, so I can use the lenses on the 1DX Mark II, the 1DX, two 7D, one 40D, a 400D and finally an EOS 30. I'ts a pity my EOS 10 broke down in an accident. On the other hand, if it didn't, I wouldn't have had the EOS 30 anyway.

However, I've understood that I could use my seven FD/FDn lenses with a Canon R camera, using the proper adapter.


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Jul 09, 2019 07:45 |  #167

The mirrorless FF Canon bodies to date are very versatile when it comes to using Canon lenses.

They can utilize RF, EF, EFS, or FD with adapters.

The mirrorless M bodies can use EF, EFS, M, or FD with adapters, and also accept .71x converters to mostly remove the crop factor when using EF lenses. At this point however M cannot use RF lenses unless a company comes up with some sort of new rear mounting plate replacement.


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Jul 12, 2019 11:12 |  #168

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After finally having had my first shoot with the RP, I can say that I’m feeling quite enthusiastic about a MILC as one of my ‘serious’ cameras. As a result, my thinking on future gear acquisition has also evolved.

Since I find my EF zooms unwieldy to use (too front-heavy, even with the extension grip), I probably intend to get a very minimalist set of RF zooms to cover basic needs for ‘portrait’ photography. Even if it takes me slightly longer to acquire because of prices.

Otherwise, I would likely continue to rely on EF primes, even with the RP, and stick to DSLR when using long telephotos, at least for the time being.

I had already made up my mind not to acquire any new EF-S and M lenses.

Are you saying that RF zooms are better ergonomically than EF? The new RF lenses *look* very heavy to me.




  
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Jul 12, 2019 14:29 |  #169

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Are you saying that RF zooms are better ergonomically than EF? The new RF lenses *look* very heavy to me.

I think they'd be better for being "smaller" (in real and relative terms), not necessarily lighter (though that is certainly the case for the RF24-105 compared to the Sigma 24-105A). It's more of a matter of the balance point being closer to the camera compared to one where the weight is positioned way at the front, and made that much more distant by an adapter that weighs nothing.

I'm not sure, though, that this would be true for any and all current RF lenses. The RF28-70 certainly looks very front-heavy as well, a bit unbalanced with the system (certainly with the RP), and I'm curious how the 24-70L and 70-200L will turn out like. I expected them to be about the same weight but smaller/more compact than their EF counterparts, leading to lenses that should feel better to use on the RP/R.

That being said, I have always and would continue to hate the zoom ring position on the 24-105L and the 24-70L. I can't imagine how the 28-70L would be to use with the combination of its size, shape, and zoom ring position... (thankfully I never will have to find out since I cannot either afford or justify such a purchase hehe)


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Jul 13, 2019 19:06 |  #170

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Are you saying that RF zooms are better ergonomically than EF? The new RF lenses *look* very heavy to me.

which new RF zooms are you referring to?

there are only two RF zooms currently on the market. the RF 24-105 is actually lighter than the EF version and the 28-70L f2 is very heavy but it's also a specialty lens -- an F2 zoom!

canon will also be making a 24-70 f2.8 and most likely an f4 version.

the whole mirrorless is lighter was a sham! that should be obvious by now.


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Jul 14, 2019 14:34 |  #171

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which new RF zooms are you referring to?

there are only two RF zooms currently on the market. the RF 24-105 is actually lighter than the EF version and the 28-70L f2 is very heavy but it's also a specialty lens -- an F2 zoom!

canon will also be making a 24-70 f2.8 and most likely an f4 version.

the whole mirrorless is lighter was a sham! that should be obvious by now.

Actually you're forgetting the 50 1.2, and it looks hefty too (can't be bothered to look it up now). Technically the mirrorless FF system is more compact, not necessarily lighter (at least the lens aren't by a strong margin, only the bodies are). I think that's fair enough for the quality... now just hope those things were cheaper!


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Jul 14, 2019 15:06 |  #172

I'm planning to buy more of them after their price drops. I'm wondering how fast the superteles will loose their value. I'd love to get 200/2L and 400/2.8L one day


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Jul 14, 2019 15:10 |  #173

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Actually you're forgetting the 50 1.2, and it looks hefty too (can't be bothered to look it up now). Technically the mirrorless FF system is more compact, not necessarily lighter (at least the lens aren't by a strong margin, only the bodies are). I think that's fair enough for the quality... now just hope those things were cheaper!


true I was talking about zooms. the RF canon 50 is slightly heavier than the sigma art 50 which is arguably the best 50mm prime made for the canon DSLR. the canon ef 50L has its following but it has at least an equal number of detractors and isn't sharp wide open so its weight is irrelevant, imo.

there are lighter options than the RF 50L but optically I think it's the best.


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Jul 14, 2019 19:31 |  #174

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true I was talking about zooms. the RF canon 50 is slightly heavier than the sigma art 50 which is arguably the best 50mm prime made for the canon DSLR. the canon ef 50L has its following but it has at least an equal number of detractors and isn't sharp wide open so its weight is irrelevant, imo.

there are lighter options than the RF 50L but optically I think it's the best.

Right. But in any case, at this point using any RF lens means using a body that will be both lighter and more compact than any full frame DSLR you could be using the next equivalent (and in most cases heavier) lens with - and if we assume you’re shooting primes with a Canon DSLR, you even might want to skip either of the 6D models to do so, meaning you’re going to be shooting a heavy rig.

And, while mileage may vary, I think that most ppl will agree that performance is very similar if not better with the new RF lenses, so all in all it’s a winner system.


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Jul 14, 2019 22:28 |  #175

Apricane wrote in post #18893573 (external link)
Actually you're forgetting the 50 1.2, and it looks hefty too (can't be bothered to look it up now). Technically the mirrorless FF system is more compact, not necessarily lighter (at least the lens aren't by a strong margin, only the bodies are). I think that's fair enough for the quality... now just hope those things were cheaper!

Canon doesn’t have many lightweight options, Fuji and Sony plenty


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Jul 14, 2019 23:35 |  #176

Save for an EF 50 1.8ii, all EF glass is gone.

All that I have now is all I’ll need. An RF 24-105, and RF 85 1.2L. Never looking back.

A gripped R with RF 85L is a significant weight savings for me vs. my former 1Dx and EF 85 1.2Lii. An incredible combo, thus far, and the 24-105 is great for my general purpose needs. The 1Dx and 85 were great, too. Just different.

I’m happy to have made the switch...the results are, to me, fantastic. :)


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Jul 15, 2019 00:10 |  #177

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Right. But in any case, at this point using any RF lens means using a body that will be both lighter and more compact than any full frame DSLR you could be using the next equivalent (and in most cases heavier) lens with - and if we assume you’re shooting primes with a Canon DSLR, you even might want to skip either of the 6D models to do so, meaning you’re going to be shooting a heavy rig.

And, while mileage may vary, I think that most ppl will agree that performance is very similar if not better with the new RF lenses, so all in all it’s a winner system.


so lighter body and slightly heavier prime vs heavier body and lighter prime. sounds like a wash to me. yeah performance will at some point be better but for what I shoot we ain't there yet. in a year or so I imagine


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Jul 15, 2019 06:52 |  #178

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so lighter body and slightly heavier prime vs heavier body and lighter prime. sounds like a wash to me. yeah performance will at some point be better but for what I shoot we ain't there yet. in a year or so I imagine

I don't understand why you would look at it in the abstract and only based on evidence from a few lenses. And I don't understand why so focus so much on primes to discredit the system when you don't bother to list more than one in your sig.

It really is simple. An RP with at RF24-105 weigh 1,210 grams when a 6D2 (to compare cameras with a similar sensor) with an EF24-105L II (lenses with more or less identical IQ) will weigh 1,585 grams, a reasonably significant difference of 375 g. You could have the extension grip on the RP and carrying the RF35 in your bag and only be carrying 10 g more than the person with the 6D2 and, sensors being roughly equivalent, have a camera that has significantly more accurate AF with much more coverage, and have a sharp 1.8 IS Macro lens in your bag as a just-in-case.

I'm not checking right now but if I recall correctly the 6D2 is more expensive than the RP, meaning that the dollar savings may be more or less proportional to the gram savings.

Here, the weight savings are mostly due to the lighter body (280 g out of 375 g), so using a "slightly heavier prime" on that body instead of using a "slightly heavier body" with a "slightly lighter lens" might still very end up with you carrying fewer grams as a result while still more conveniently delivering more or less the same IQ.

And I'm sure we might reach very similar conclusions if we compared the R and 5D4 instead of the RP and 6D2.

As I see it it's very much a winner system. The RP is usable as a comfortable travel camera, I never could have said this about my 6D...


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Jul 15, 2019 07:49 as a reply to  @ Apricane's post |  #179

There is a bigger difference in functionality and performance between the R and 5d4 however, so just a size and weight comparison won't be a complete view of the two systems.

Not everyone can deal with an EVF either. :)


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Jul 15, 2019 08:18 |  #180

WOW

what performance features do you guys THINK that a mirrorless has over a Current top of line DSLR ??

I am genuinely curious

Because ai have used both and I dont see anything in terms of performance where a mirrorless is better.

1-Sony Has Eye focus going for it but you need to be in an auto mode for full benefits
2- Lens calibration issues are basically over with with mirrorless. No more need to spend $$ and dick around & calibrate glass

So thats what I see with the advantage going to mirrorless

What are the perceived miracles and performance that mirrorless offers over a 1Dx2, D5, 5D4, D850, that the majority of serious and professional photographers use

There is nothing on an EOS R that touches the performance of my 1Dx2

When you start talking a Sony A9 v/s a 1Dx2 and a D5.....Dam little that separates these bodies for performance....Its different on an A9...But it dam sure is not better......But people might perceive its better.....especially if they are 10K into an A9 and a couple pieces of native glass

I dont buy it for performance factors that mirrorless is better.......IT IS NOT at this point


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