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Nov 30, 2019 11:47 |  #16

Wow, I didn't see all these replies! Thank you!

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If you got 20 good photographs out of one trip consider yourself lucky. Having everything come together for a great photograph is somewhat rare. I watched a video from Mark Denney on youtube a few weeks ago, and (my numbers may be off by one or two) he spent 5 days on the Oregon coast and got 3 photos he was happy with and 1 of those he thought might be portfolio worthy. We are to some degree at the mercy of mother nature for getting the right conditions (mother nature is always disappointing me), so there are times when you just aren't going to get anything. I put a quote from Ansel below, keep that in mind.

I disagree with the Agged above, nothing wrong with going out with the purpose of taking photographs. You certainly help the odds if you work with the weather and pick your spots.


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Looking back and going through all the chaff pictures, I see we missed a lot. I PP everything just because, and I'm seeing the slightest outline of mountains over lakes obscured by clouds on many photos. We tried to see as much as we could. I guess I don't feel it as such a bust any longer.

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OP, I often come back from photography trips disappointed, with very very few pictures to show for them. After the initial couple days of feeling sorry for myself, after each trip, I take notes of all that went wrong. From the gear that I took, to camera settings, and everything else that happened on the trip. After a few trips and subsequent notes, patterns started emerging. I rush too much, I pack too many locations in one day, I take way too much gear, and time the trip wrong as far as sky, clouds, sun goes. Of all the above, rushing is the biggest mistake I make.
You may consider doing something similar.
P.S., you trip pictures look very good.

One mistake I noticed is that Alberta is much wider than 16mm. I did some panos, but I started making lazy choices on what was worth the extra effort and what wasn't.

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Like Jay Maisel says, "Walk slow". :)

We did not walk all that slow.

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I think the composition of your images look good. You might have wished for different light in some of them but timing has a lot to do with that and unless you are willing to wait, get up really early, etc. you don't have a lot of control over that, particularly when someone is "waiting" on you.

Personally I find it pretty difficult to concentrate on getting the shot I want, when I feel rushed either due to time itself or to feeling like someone is waiting around for me to get finished. That just goes with the territory I think.

I wouldn't sink into "I'm a bad photographer" by any means if I were you.

Sometimes it helps to narrow the scope to those images you really want to capture at the places you want to capture them. Concentrate on the time of day to be there, etc. in order to get those images and let the rest fall where they may. Some of the others work out and some of them don't, but you have put yourself in the position to get the images you really want at a time when the light has the most chance of being favorable.

While there is some great photography on IG, there are also a lot of manipulated images on IG (composites that change skies, selective coloring, etc. etc.) so I don't think it is always the case people go out and capture extravagant images every time they press the shutter.

Thank you jcothron. I started with the intent of time-of-day, but the weather changed my mind in regard to hikes and I wanted to avoid hiking in the dark. We ran into some challenging driving as well, so another strike for adventuring in the dark. Looking back I was probably over cautious, but this was my first time in the Rockies. Some of the anticipated shots where near high noon. I do notice, FB, Instagram, people get all crazy on pictures with color saturation that was never there. The same shots represented more life like get no love.

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That's pretty good all things considered. Alberta is not an easy province to photograph. In the absence of luck, it takes serious time and effort to produce uniquely beautiful photos.

The photographers who consistently capture the breathtaking shots of Banff, Lake Louise and Jasper spend countless hours getting up at the crack of dawn, going to the same spot day after day trying to get something great. I can't image how many frames they delete for every one they keep.

Even if you only got a couple of shots worth keeping you got a good work out, didn't get mauled by a bear or cougar and hopefully made some good memories with your traveling companion.

The only way to get better is to keep at it. The best photo opportunities tend to come when you least expect it.

The consistent photographers live there,or live close. We had mostly one pop at each stop. Memories where fabulous. I'm still reeling in the awesomeness that is was. Everywhere you look there is magnificence. I did not see a bear. I'm not sure if I should be disappointed or not.

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This is why, when I go on holiday, I choose to be on holiday rather than on a photoshoot.

If you want to produce more/better photos on a trip, you have to more or less forget the 'holiday' and look at everything through an imaginary lens.

That's not to say you can't get some good shots. I have shots I'm proud of from most of our holidays. But I don't set myself an arbitrary target for 'keepers', nor do I expect to come back with something good enough to grace a gallery wall. In fact, I bought myself a decent compact camera specifically to avoid missing my holidays because my eye was glued to a viewfinder the whole time, but I nevertheless wanted half-decent photos as memories.

If you really want some top-shelf images from Alberta, don't go on another holiday; organise a dedicated photography trip.

Alberta is affordable enough in the off-season that I may make more visits. Although, I see it's much more photographically popular than I originally thought. Effort wise, I think people get a bit daring. Besides the light, my shots of Sunwapta Falls where not good. I could see I needed a better vantage point and the vantage points where there, but covered in ice.

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You are probably better than you think. But it is good you are on the side you are instead of thinking you are a great photographer. Don't get down on yourself, but at the same time always strive to get better. The more you shoot, the more you learn and the better you will get. And never stop reading. The day you think that there is nothing left for you to learn about photography is the day you should sell your gear and go do something else. I have been doing photography since 1972 and I am still never really satisfied with my work, but that makes me strive to get better.

There is also learning a little mental control for me. I was so spun up on the heights, the bears, thinking about hike times and hydration, that I didn't see 80% of what was there. And mostof my concern was unfounded. I could've done some street photography in Banff, I had a beautiful young lady as my travel partner that wouldn't have objected to being a subject outside of travel photos. I was overwhelmed to a degree.

Good Lord willing, I'll get back there.




  
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Dec 10, 2019 13:32 |  #17

When I go on vacation with my wife I go knowing that I likely will not worry about shooting sunrise or sunset. If I do shoot one of those it's usually sunrise because I can be back to the hotel and my wife may still be sleeping. But shooting sunset pretty much never happens. We went to New Zealand for 3 weeks and I don't think I shot a single sunset and was skunked on the couple of sunrise shots I attempted. I don't have even one landscape photo from that trip that I would print. But that's OK. I go into my vacations focusing on just having fun with my wife and I don't worry about photography. The photos I do take are of the "I was there" variety, and I personally enjoy those types of shots as much if not more than my landscapes.

One thing that I have done though is if we are going to go on vacation, I will sometimes go solo for a bit and then my wife will join me. When we went to the Canadian Rockies I went for a week and then my wife joined me for a week. That also worked out because when she arrived I had a handful of locations scouted that I knew she would enjoy hiking. Looking over my shots from that trip I have processed 5 images. Of those, one is "really good", one is "good", and the rest are "meh". I still have maybe 3 that I will process, none of which will be in the "really good" category. That seems to be about par for me on trips. I also did that on a trip to Glacier National Park and I was able to scout a bunch of great hikes for when she arrived.


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Dec 10, 2019 14:07 |  #18

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If you got 20 good photographs out of one trip consider yourself lucky. Having everything come together for a great photograph is somewhat rare.

I agree.

I recently took a month-long trip to photograph deer. . I did tons of research beforehand, and fully believed that I was in the very best spot in the United States for both Whitetail and Mule Deer photography. . And I used years and years of experience to determine the very best time of the year in which to go - the late pre-rut, and the rut itself.

I spent 31 full days attempting to photograph deer. . That was, of course, the sole purpose of the trip.

I was able to take just one photograph that I consider to be great. . And that image was taken on my very last day. . So I spent 30 days doing nothing but photographing deer, without a single great image. . Only on the 31st day was a great image taken.

Although this is very disappointing, it didn't surprise me. . I have done the same thing for many years - spending a full month photographing deer during their rut. . And I think that over the past 12 years, I have only taken 5 or 6 great images ...... so about one great image for every 60 days of sunrise-to-sunset photography.

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patrick j wrote in post #18964066 (external link)
I watched a video from Mark Denney on youtube a few weeks ago, and (my numbers may be off by one or two) he spent 5 days on the Oregon coast and got 3 photos he was happy with and 1 of those he thought might be portfolio worthy.

That isn't surprising, for him to get only one portfolio-worthy image in 5 days of photography. . For landscape photography, that actually seems like a pretty good ratio.

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We are to some degree at the mercy of mother nature for getting the right conditions (mother nature is always disappointing me), so there are times when you just aren't going to get anything.

Yes, we are completely at the mercy of Mother Nature when it comes to landscape and wildlife photos. . Perhaps even more so with wildlife, because not only do you have to have the skies and the light and the weather just right, but you also have to have a critter cooperate at precisely the same time that all of those other things are in place.

Yes, you have to be a good photographer to be able to capitalize on the rare opportunity to take a great photo. . But if the opportunity never arises - if Mother Nature doesn't present you with any great opportunities - then that doesn't speak to how good of a photographer you are. . But yeah, if Mother Nature does give you truly excellent image-making opportunities, and you don't turn those into great images, then it would be accurate to say that one isn't a good photographer.

Photographic skill and artistic vision can make the most out of what Mother Nature presents to us, but it has no influence over what She presents to us. . So if She doesn't give us world-class opportunities, then no amount of skill or vision will be able to produce a world-class image.

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Dec 11, 2019 16:32 |  #19

I love your honesty. It took me many many years of trying to be an artist at photography, when I finally realized that it just isn't me. I don't have the drive to be in all the best places. I have come to grips with the fact that I'm pretty good at technical things in photography but the artistic talent just insn't there.
I just shoot what I want, love the cameras and process. I look forward to getting out and taking some more each time. I am about to be 78 next year, I just enjoy it for what it is to me.
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Dec 11, 2019 16:33 as a reply to  @ post 18962696 |  #20

Agged, you are so correct.
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For the 'non-artists' among us - a group that I am not artistic enough to join :lol: - I think one good way to remain 'inspired' is to see photography as a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.

By that I mean photography should be one way to enjoy doing something else you're interested in, whether it's travel, your family, sports, fashion, cooking or architecture. I believe that, for those of us not blessed with an artistic vision, our 'creativity' can be increased by having an interest in the subject.

In my case that 'inspiration' is predominantly motor sports, followed by wildlife, travel and kids. Sometimes, I can combine several, such as when I travel to new locations in order to photograph a motor sport event and some/all of the competitors are kids!

A genuine interest in your subject matter really does facilitate creativity, not necessarily worthy of National Geographic or a gallery wall, but hopefully good enough to give us a sense of achievement.

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Dec 11, 2019 17:07 |  #22

When my wife and I went to Hawaii for our 20th, the pictures I took were memory shots that I tried to make artistic. However all the shots still make my wife tear up, and it isn't because they were artistic, they bring back memories of the trip and all the places we went, where we had fun, etc. For me, I feel that is what photos are about for a trip.

Now if the intent of my trip was to go and get shots of things where I might be able to sell them later, then my gear selection, the number of shots, the type of shots, etc would all be different than if the photos were to document the trip itself. A "paid" job for me would mean my intent, style, equipment, how I shoot, etc all would be different than if I were taking memory shots.

Since I like to eat, this is a great shot for me, but nobody else would ever consider it a artsy shot at all. I call it "heart attack on a platter". So I agree with others, likely you are being way too hard on yourself. Look at the pics as memory shots, and not ones to share with others on a forum to be critiqued or asked their thoughts. Our thoughts and opinions don't really matter, they are your shots and your memories.

Just looking at this photo reminds me how good, and how messy that sandwich was... :D

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Dec 11, 2019 19:53 |  #23

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I was able to take just one photograph that I consider to be great. . And that image was taken on my very last day. . So I spent 30 days doing nothing but photographing deer, without a single great image. . Only on the 31st day was a great image taken.

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That's quite a statement about how difficult wildlife photography is. I have enough problems getting a good shot with landscape photos, where the thing is just sitting there and not trying to run away, I don't think I'l be venturing into wildlife photography.


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That's quite a statement about how difficult wildlife photography is. I have enough problems getting a good shot with landscape photos, where the thing is just sitting there and not trying to run away, I don't think I'l be venturing into wildlife photography.
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Oh, if you are interested at all in photographing wildlife, don't let my account discourage you.

Wildlife photography isn't as difficult as that. . It's just that Deer, well .....

Most of the other North American big game species are much easier to get good or great photos of. . Elk and Moose are much easier than Deer. . Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats are typically very easy compared to deer. . Black Bears and Grizzly Bears ..... also significantly easier than Deer.

If I had singled out any of these other species and traveled to the best place in the country for them, and spent a month photographing them there, I'm sure I would have been able to capture a great image or three each week.

It's just that Deer are exceptionally difficult, especially when one only targets fully mature bucks with exceptionally well developed antlers. . And even though I only got one great image, and that on the last day, throughout the month I did get many "good" images, and several that were "very good".

Dozens upon dozens of bird species are also quite a bit easier than deer, as well as many reptiles and amphibians ..... and, of course, smaller mammals such as Ground Squirrels and Pikas and the like.

So please don't think that truly great wildlife photography is a near-impossibility. . There are a lot of critters out there that regularly present excellent opportunities to the photographer.

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Dec 12, 2019 00:23 |  #25

Have a look at some landscape photographer on youtube and follow how they create their pictures. Besides tons of experience it is hard and focussed work - not something they do on a fly while trekking. You can not expect to achieve similar levels of quality by simply taking some pictures along the way (which is what I take from your description). Additionally: Never ever expect to capture your experience with photos. They only rarely compare.


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Dec 12, 2019 00:47 |  #26

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Oh, if you are interested at all in photographing wildlife, don't let my account discourage you.

Wildlife photography isn't as difficult as that. . It's just that Deer, well .....

Most of the other North American big game species are much easier to get good or great photos of. . Elk and Moose are much easier than Deer. . Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats are typically very easy compared to deer. . Black Bears and Grizzly Bears ..... also significantly easier than Deer.


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I spent a few days in Rocky Mountain NP last week, the place is lousy with deer and elk. All are pretty tame, I noticed the deer have a tendency to always be looking the wrong way. I did take a few snapshots, none of them were any good. Of course, if you aren't really into it, you aren't going to get a good picture.

One of the very touristy spots here has bighorn sheep and mountain goats that are so used to people that you can get very close to get photos. Not sure that really counts as wildlife though.


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Dec 12, 2019 00:50 |  #27

Some of the landscape guys here might get something out of this, quite an entertaining video, and educational, one of his best.


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Dec 12, 2019 07:58 |  #28

Sometimes it takes work to get to the right location.

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Jan 07, 2020 07:13 |  #29

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Sometimes it takes work to get to the right location.

You make quite an assumption that I put no work into finding or a location or being in condition to access a location. It almost comes off as an insult. Nice image though; I'd be proud to have that one.




  
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Jan 07, 2020 07:48 |  #30

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For the 'non-artists' among us - a group that I am not artistic enough to join :lol: - I think one good way to remain 'inspired' is to see photography as a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.

By that I mean photography should be one way to enjoy doing something else you're interested in, whether it's travel, your family, sports, fashion, cooking or architecture. I believe that, for those of us not blessed with an artistic vision, our 'creativity' can be increased by having an interest in the subject.

In my case that 'inspiration' is predominantly motor sports, followed by wildlife, travel and kids. Sometimes, I can combine several, such as when I travel to new locations in order to photograph a motor sport event and some/all of the competitors are kids!

A genuine interest in your subject matter really does facilitate creativity, not necessarily worthy of National Geographic or a gallery wall, but hopefully good enough to give us a sense of achievement.

Works for me!


That's interesting to me. I'm the obvious opposite: I wouldn't be interested in hardly anything at all if it wasn't for photography.




  
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